Jarrad Branthwaite

diarm said:
I think you can find their fans getting a bit of egg on their faces funny, while still hoping that one of England's oldest, and longest serving top flight clubs doesn't go to the wall.
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That's basically my stance on it.

As a club, I hope they navigate it.

The fans and people connected to the club that have been laughing at us for the last ten years and giving it the big 'un over Branthwaite these past few weeks can deal with a bit of laughter heading back in their direction.
 
This reminds me of Rio transfer from Leeds where they were also in difficult financial situation but Leeds still managed to get a very good price for him if I remember the situation correctly
 
cpleigh said:
You've just paid £50m for an 18 year old with 1 year left on his deal.... when the other club were offering £20m. You've over paid for a bang average dutch striker... even paid more than his release fee and a ridiculous agent fee.

Lets not pretend United have changed, you've just dished out 2 ridiculous fees.

The problem you have is our fee is above your budget currently.
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How is the fee for Zirkzee ridiculous ? We signed a 23 year old Dutch international with 100 league matches from Italy, Belgium and Germany for £35 million

What do you think the fee for a Dutch international who was named best young player in serie A last season should be ?
 
diarm said:
The Friedkin Group paid off a £200m loan and are now pulling out? What happens to that £200m now? Are they just writing it off or will they be looking for it back?
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Seems like they've basically loaned Everton the money to pay off the other loan.
 
lysglimt said:
How is the fee for Zirkzee ridiculous ? We signed a 23 year old Dutch international with 100 league matches from Italy, Belgium and Germany for £35 million

What do you think the fee for a Dutch international who was named best young player in serie A last season should be ?
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Man United though so they must have overpaid!
 
diarm said:
The Friedkin Group paid off a £200m loan and are now pulling out? What happens to that £200m now? Are they just writing it off or will they be looking for it back?
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That does seem a little weird. I imagine they took over receiving the loan repayments at a better rate or something to that effect.
 
They obviously would say no fire sale / no forced transfers etc.

Horrible situation to be in though
 
I'd much rather De Ligt, but given the circumstances, go back in at £40million plus a few add ons with a deadline of the first game of the tour, if no deal, get De Ligt for £42million.
 
SouthMancRed said:
Yep. Current offer stands...until Tuesday, then it goes down £5m, then another £5m on Friday, then another...
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When does this shit ever fecking work. Seriously.

JPRouve said:
Couldn't Branthwaite primarily be competing with Shaw for LB which essentially means that he would be our starting LB?
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Branthwaite is a CB primarily, so no he wouldn’t be our starting LB, fully expecting that to be Shaw.

If we do get a LB it will be Ferdi
 
I think this makes them more determined to hold onto Branthwaite. They won't be in a position to replace him that's for sure.
 
Even at a good price, I'd be wary about having two inexperienced centre backs so close to the first team. Martinez is a guaranteed starter when fit, but he's missed a lot of games through injury, so we have to have a plan in case that continues.

Branthwaite isn't all that young in the scheme of things, but still has less than 100 career starts, most of which are in lower tier leagues. A Yoro/Branthwaite centre back pairing feels both risky to the team and unfair on the players, who need time to acclimatise to the club and its demands. I don't see us buying three centre backs, and I sure as hell don't want Maguire or Lindelof in the first team again.

De Ligt is a better shout all round. Not actually that much older than Branthwaite, but vastly more experienced.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Probably yeah. But they rejected our last offer of 50M with add ons included. So I would go 5M above that, but not more.

Dude is versatile, young, aggressive and good on the ball. Overpiced? Yeah, because he is british.


Agreed.
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He's not good at turning, has a slow acceleration, and 'good on the ball' not in the important aspects.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Branthwaite is a CB primarily, so no he wouldn’t be our starting LB, fully expecting that to be Shaw.

If we do get a LB it will be Ferdi
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I know that he is primarily a CB, the point is whether there is a bigger role for him in a different position otherwise it's a strange way to spend our money this summer.
 
Dannn411 said:
£10m offer. Take it or leave it.
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JPRouve said:
Couldn't Branthwaite primarily be competing with Shaw for LB which essentially means that he would be our starting LB?
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Martinez would be the one who moves to LB. I wouldn't be keen on that either though.
 
-Supreme- said:
This reminds me of Rio transfer from Leeds where they were also in difficult financial situation but Leeds still managed to get a very good price for him if I remember the situation correctly
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Yeah when people complain about FFP - they really should read about Leeds from 1999-2002
2000/2001 - about £35 million net loss on transfers
2001/2002 - about £30 million net loss on transfers

And the way they dished out money on wages was insane - the Seth Johnson-story is just hilarious
 
Well shit that sucks!

Everton's misfortune is our misfortune, getting Branflake over De Ligt is not great at all.

Also, I might be the only one but I kind of like Everton.
 
lysglimt said:
Yeah when people complain about FFP - they really should read about Leeds from 1999-2002
2000/2001 - about £35 million net loss on transfers
2001/2002 - about £30 million net loss on transfers

And the way they dished out money on wages was insane - the Seth Johnson-story is just hilarious
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Didn't Portsmouth operate in a similar manner in the immediate run-up to their points deduction and subsequent plummet to League Two?
 
Would rather prefer De Ligt. Anyway even if go for Branthwaite, it should not be more than our second bid. That second bid can already get us De Ligt
 
Von Mistelroum said:
Well shit that sucks!

Everton's misfortune is our misfortune, getting Branflake over De Ligt is not great at all.

Also, I might be the only one but I kind of like Everton.
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I do too and I hope they will be alright, but those earlier quoted comments backfiring is hilarious.
 
If priced similarly, who would the caf prefer - him or de Ligt?

de Ligt is perhaps the more sensible signing considering he's closer to the finished article and brings considerable leadership qualities. Branthwaite on the other hand is slightly younger, is seemingly PL-proven and potentially has a higher ceiling. He's also left-footed so would primarily be cover for Martinez who I feel will be more injury-prone than Yoro.

I'm happy with either tbh, but something about a long-term Yoro-Branthwaite-Martinez altering partnership feels more exciting.
 
Hopefully we'll be able to get Branthwaite now for a much more realistic market value. Ideally, even below market value depending on how much Everton need to sell a player.

Just hope we don't end up overpaying for him. Happy to get him at a sensible price. Happy to get De Ligt at the reported, sensible price instead. But don't want us to get Branthwaite by overpaying, especially if Everton's financial needs have now changed and they should be more open to reasonable negotiations. If they're still not, hope we go for De Ligt.
 
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Kaos said:
If priced similarly, who would the caf prefer - him or de Ligt?

de Ligt is perhaps the more sensible signing considering he's closer to the finished article and brings considerable leadership qualities. Branthwaite on the other hand is slightly younger, is seemingly PL-proven and potentially has a higher ceiling. He's also left-footed so would primarily be cover for Martinez who I feel will be more injury-prone than Yoro.

I'm happy with either tbh, but something about a long-term Yoro-Branthwaite-Martinez altering partnership feels more exciting.
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I think there is a strong chance he's another Maguire.
 
Blood Mage said:
I think this makes them more determined to hold onto Branthwaite. They won't be in a position to replace him that's for sure.
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Couldn't we offer them Maguire as part of the deal? Might be a good deal for him, too - he wouldn't need to uproot his family and would still be playing in the Premier League.
 
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Alex99 said:
Didn't Portsmouth operate in a similar manner in the immediate run-up to their points deduction and subsequent plummet to League Two?
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probably - but not sure if it was as bad as Leeds. Still remember the article I read about an interview with Seth Johnson when he signed from Derby - he had a long discussion with his agent and they agreed that he should ask for £25.000 a week - but would accept £20.000 - Ridsdale enters and tells him - we have one offer for you on the table - take it or leave it - £40.000 a week

Needless to say Johnson left the meeting feeling really happy about the transfer :)

And that wasn't unusual for Leeds in that period
 
SouthMancRed said:
One of the little joys of the caf is posters taking every single word uttered as 100% genuine. Seriously.
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It’s more or less what others have posted and in a serious manner too. So forgive me for taking something as genuine when it reads as such
 
lysglimt said:
probably - but not sure if it was as bad as Leeds. Still remember the article I read about an interview with Seth Johnson when he signed from Derby - he had a long discussion with his agent and they agreed that he should ask for £25.000 a week - but would accept £20.000 - Ridsdale enters and tells him - we have one offer for you on the table - take it or leave it - £40.000 a week

Needless to say Johnson left the meeting feeling really happy about the transfer :)

And that wasn't unusual for Leeds in that period
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Difficult for them to have been as bad as Leeds. I don't know a lot about their situation, I just remember they nearly got relegated, signed a load of internationals, finished top half, won the FA Cup, then had to sell them all and got relegated anyway.
 
JPRouve said:
I know that he is primarily a CB, the point is whether there is a bigger role for him in a different position otherwise it's a strange way to spend our money this summer.
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I think you are spot on. The only way this makes sense if is;

A) Luke Shaw will be a LCB this year
B) Branthwaite will be his cover

Furthermore, I do think that makes alot of sense. Shaw is a good LCB and not very suited for the physical demands that the LB-position often takes. I also think his pace makes him will suited to cover that left channel against those quick inside forwards (and that does not really suit Martinez).


(Dalot/x) - Yoro/de Ligt - Martinez/de Ligt - Shaw/Branthwaite would be very, very good.
 
-Supreme- said:
This reminds me of Rio transfer from Leeds where they were also in difficult financial situation but Leeds still managed to get a very good price for him if I remember the situation correctly
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Didnt we help Leeds avoid bankrupcy when we bought Alan Smith from them?
 
Just to help inform the discussion on the “market value” of Branthwaite, below I've compiled a list of centre-back transfers and reported fees from the last 3 years. This is mostly a list of signings to England's top clubs and Europe's elite but also included the likes of Guehi and Tomori as comparable young English talents. Transfer fees all taken from transfermarkt.com for consistency (the ones marked * are rumoured fees for this summer, including Everton's reported valuation of Branthwaite)

Fee Euros(m)Year
Gvardiol
90​
2023​
Branthwaite*
85​
2024​
Fofana
80​
2022​
De Ligt
67​
2022​
Yoro
62​
2024​
White
59​
2021​
Martinez
57​
2022​
Romero
52​
2022​
Min-Jae
50​
2023​
Calafiori*
50​
2024​
De Ligt*
50​
2024​
Bremer
47​
2022​
Disasi
45​
2023​
Upamecano
43​
2021​
Timber
40​
2023​
Van De Ven
40​
2023​
Varane
40​
2021​
Konate
40​
2021​
Badiashile
38​
2023​
Botman
37​
2022​
Tomori
34​
2021​
Pau Torres
33​
2023​
Todibo*
32​
2024​
Dragusin
25​
2023​
Guehi
23​
2021​
Akanji
20​
2022​


Everton reportedly see the Gvardiol and Fofana fees as a suitable benchmark (which conveniently are the two most expensive) but you can see there's plenty of good signings that have been picked up for below the 50m mark, all the way down to Akanji who was a steal at 20m.

Branthwaite's valuation by Everton looks extremely out of place on this list (as does Fofana). On current ability he would be somewhere towards the bottom of this list so to justify the fee you would have to believe he is a generational talent and yet there does not seem to be a wider perception that he is. By comparison to others that would have been considered "generational" on this list and what they had done to earn that tag:
  • Gvardiol had reported interest from multiple of Europe's elite after impressive performances for RB Leipzig from the age of 18, catching the eye due to his left-footedness and ability on the ball. He won two German cups at Leipzig and also played in the Croatia first team in the 2022 World Cup in their run to the semi-final.
  • De Ligt was 22 when he moved to Bayern. He had broken into the Ajax team at 17 and become their youngest ever captain. He won the golden boy award in 2018. He captained Ajax to the Eredivisie title and on their run to the Champions League semi-finals during which he scored a winning goal against Juventus in the quarter finals and became the competitions youngest ever captain. He moved to Juventus at the age of 19 and made over 100 appearances across 3 seasons winning a Serie A and a Coppa Italia. He began his senior international career at the age of 17, becoming the youngest player to start for the Netherlands since 1931 and became a first team regular on their run to the Nations League final, scoring a goal against England in the semi.
  • Branthwaite at the same age has two seasons of regular senior football under his belt. The first on loan at PSV where he made 36 appearances and won the KNVB cup (Dutch Cup), although he did score an own goal in the final. His second, back at Everton, making 35 PL appearances and winning Everton's young player and player's player of the season awards. He was selected for England U21s for the 2023 U21 European Championship but was largely an unused substitute throughout the tournament which England won (he started the final group game which was a dead rubber). He has 1 sub appearance for the senior team and was not selected for Euro 2024 despite the injury to Maguire and the lack of proven alternatives. Lewis Dunk who has 6 caps at the age of 32 was favoured to Branthwaite.
It's obvious his career to this point does not scream generational talent and therefore does not justify a fee that would put him anywhere near the top of this list. He does have a unique set of attributes with his rare combination of height, speed, left-footedness (or even two-footedness) and that makes him a very interesting prospect. He could even be "generational" from an England perspective and be an England starter for much of the next decade, although Southgate seemed to think otherwise. However, it's difficult to say he's anything but raw potential at the moment so we should really continue to negotiate for a fee that reflects that.
 
The White Pele said:
It's obvious his career to this point does not scream generational talent and therefore does not justify a fee that would put him anywhere near the top of this list.
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Your second bid was 53.5m Euros rising to 60m Euros which would him in the upper echelon of that list?
 
SilentWitness said:
Your second bid was 53.5m Euros rising to 60m Euros which would him in the upper echelon of that list?
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We also signed Maguire for 80 million, is he a generational talent?
Fee does not equal ability, which has been massively unfortunate for United over the past 10 years.
 
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