Jan was a great player at Ajax. He is not a left back and we saw that in the World Cup. He is uncomfortable there and lacks the pace for it. He is not the dominant type center half and plays better a more aggressive type, would have been great alongside Stam or Vidic. Ajax let Vermalen go because they got a good price for him and felt that Jan was a better long term prospect. Would love to see him at United alongside either Jones or Smalling. I have a feeling that LVG will get the best out of these two especially Jones
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Vertonghen is too good to be at a club like Spurs. I'm surprised City havent snatched him up yet. He would be the obvious choice.
Don't you ever talk bad about Christian Eriksen again, he's my favourite player outside of United.
How long's left on his deal? he would be brilliant in a back 3.
Barca just signed Mathieu anyway.
I think Eriksen is quality though, although this is the Vertonghen thread so we should probably leave that discussion for another thread.
I think Eriksen is quality though, although this is the Vertonghen thread so we should probably leave that discussion for another thread.
Good player and like said above, would be excellent in LvGs back three. That's where it's ends though, in a world where Luiz goes for 50m, I could only imagine what that Levy fella would ask for..
I'd consider bidding 25-30 million or so for him, if it needs be. He should be pretty good in a LCB role.
We should try going after him and see if he can force a move through as he was giving indications of wanting to leave early this window.
Edit - Didn't realize he was 27 already. That makes it very tough for the price Spurs would want.
We should try going after him and see if he can force a move through as he was giving indications of wanting to leave early this window.
Edit - Didn't realize he was 27 already. That makes it very tough for the price Spurs would want.
Vertonghen is a liability in defence, scores the odd eye catching goal hence the hype.
A good player but nothing special.
A good player but nothing special.
Also Christian Eriksen more or less plays upfront so he is bound ot have a nice goal / assists tally.
Basically, Evans had a horror 12 months a few years back (the calender year of 2012 if I remember correctly). Even though he's generally been bloody solid ever since then, that 12 month period is what most people tend to remember and it's coloured people's opinion of him ever since.
I've just never seen him as anything special, I think that's the general opinion of most opposition fans. He might just be an underrated player outside of United, not very well known or a 'big name'.
Like I said will watch him more closely when he does play as there must be something in all these people rating him.
Talk about over exaggeration. He's not a "liability", he's very solid at his best. Yes he's great going forward but this doesn't always = rubbish at defending. He has his brain farts but he's not a liability whatsoever.
Talk about over exaggeration. He's not a "liability", he's very solid at his best. Yes he's great going forward but this doesn't always = rubbish at defending. He has his brain farts but he's not a liability whatsoever.
Not what I saw at the world cup when he was arse raped and subbed at half time
Typical spurs fan, your as bad as your chairman for over rating your players
Can you name a central defender who's better with the ball on his feet than Vertonghen? I don't think I can. But defensively you are right, he's good at defending but nothing special.
Would be brilliant for us in a back three or two. Vertonghen next to Kompany would've been very nice, but City just signed Mangala, perhaps an indication that Tottenham do not want to let him go at all? Can't imagine City preferring Mangala over Vertonghen although they're very different players.
Anyway this wont happen, I just can't imagine Spurs letting him go to us after we snatched LvG from them. Maybe he wants out if preseason indicates that Vertonghen has to focus on playing left back again, but I very much doubt Pocchettino would be so stupid. So no chance at all.
How is what he's said overrating Vertonghen?Not what I saw at the world cup when he was arse raped and subbed at half time
Typical spurs fan, your as bad as your chairman for over rating your players
Read the whole thread before commenting.
Or you know, he's just a really, really good young player? Anyway as someone else pointed out this isn't the Eriksen thread but I'm pretty shocked at how people underrate him. I mean "Nothing special"? For god sake.
Vertonghen won't move from Spurs this year. Our defense is a pisstake as it is - if we were to lose our best CB by miles we'd be nowhere, unless we made several major signings in that area. Davies is a great one for LB and Chriches has potential but we can't afford to lose Vert. Unless we received some mega, ridiculous bid he's not going.
You can have Dawson.
How about no.
Labelling him a liability is just lazy. I've read the last few pages, and Eriksen's rated Vertonghen fairly.
He's right about the whole "Every Spurs player's overrated" business as well. Bale and Modric were 'overrated' too, until they joined Real Madrid and showed just how good they were.
Not what I saw at the world cup when he was arse raped and subbed at half time
Typical spurs fan, your as bad as your chairman for over rating your players
Judging a player off a world cup where he was playing out of position, wow you are one intelligent individual! Also, wasn't he named man of the match in one of those matches? Wasn't the entire Belgium team utterly rubbish? Are we now going to consider Hazard crap because he did absolutely nothing the entire tournament?
I overrate our players? What because I refuse to call Vertonghen a liability and don't think Eriksen isn't special? What a load of crap. Vertonghen is a very good on the ball CB who scores goals and is decent defensively. He's one of the better ones around right now with the current level of defending. He's clearly behind the very top but he is far from a liability or whatever rubbish you want to come out with next.
As for our chairman overrating our players, Modric has gone on to be arguably the best midfielder in the world and Bale an extremely crucial part of a CL winning team, so he can't overrate them that much. Maybe some Spurs players are actually quite good?
Bale was an overrated one trick pony who would 100% fail at Madrid and Modric was a lightweight ineffective midfielder who was nowhere near the very best.
I don't see why people can't accept that just because we have a ton of dross in the squad it doesn't mean we don't have the odd very good player.
I personally thought Vertinghen often looks like the second best defender in the PL.
He was certainly up there when he made the team of the season. He was a rock at the back and absolutely brilliant going forward, as I've said he was our 2nd biggest attacking threat after Bale. With a team like Barca giving him the platform to attack even more he'd be excellent. Right now he's playing next to the likes of Dawson and Rose so his weaknesses are horribly exposed.
Hopefully Pochettino can get the defense a bit more organized next year, now Rose has been replaced that's one less liability to be concerned about. Now to make Chriches Vertonghen's partner rather than Dawson and I think we'll see an excellent season from him, barring injuries.
Piqué Agger Evans I could keep going!
Yeah, right. Except for the fact that none of them are better with the ball on their feet? His shooting technique/long passing is way better than Pique's. Agger and Evans I just lolled, although Evans is pretty good with the ball on his feet, Vertonghen has way more vision/intelligence.
For god sake. Evans better with the ball at his feet than Vertonghen? You have to be on a windup now. Seriously. As for Agger, that's a big no as well. Vertonghen could easily be a midfielder with his ability on the ball; like I've said on numerous occasions he was our biggest threat in the season before Bale left.That touch and finish at 1:12. That'd be nice for a top striker.
Evans? As in Jonny Evans?
And we have people on this thread claiming Tottenham fans overrate their players like no other.
I don't think Pique's better, but that's the closest out of the three you've mentioned. Pique's passing is strictly short and simple. And it's almost always to Puyol, Busquets or Xavi. He's also doesn't break with the ball like Vertonghen can.
I'd say Agger's not even nearly as good. There's not a thing he can do with the ball that Vertonghen can't, plus Vertonghen can dribble better, isn't as flat-footed with the ball, and has better vision.
And crucially, Agger definitely can't play out at the same speed as Vertonghen. Agger usually walks with the ball. He'd look half as good at full-back.
And please do keep going. Who else?
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Problem is he's a CB and a piss-poor defender.
That would be a problem, but he isn't so we'll live.
You'll live, but you'll concede stupid goals all over the shop again.
Yes. That was definitely Vertonghen's fault. Funny how we conceded those silly goals far more regularly with him a a LB or not in the side at all.
You've got a shit defence with players like Walker, Dawson, Rose and Naughton - just because Vertonghen isn't so shit you don't need to get carried away.
We do indeed. Carried away? The general consensus is he's a very good CB. Of course he's going to look vulnerable in that defense, especially when played out of position. He was very solid in his first season with us when we were actually functioning as a team and he wasn't injured most of the time.
He makes a few errors, as do most ball playing defenders. He's still very good under the right circumstances.
Stop overrating him..
Marquinhos, Hummels and Chiriches.
That David Luiz fella has got a nice touch and scores goals too.
David Luiz is good when played in the correct system, just like Vertonghen. Hence why PSG have spunked £50m on him. However, its not even comparable as although Vert makes mistakes he's nowhere near as much of a liability as Luiz, not even close and a much better, more mature defender overallso again, stupid comparison.
Haven't seen much of Marquinhos so can't comment, Hummels is excellent on the ball and absolutely no chance with Chriches.
Pique is class on the ball as is Evans plus Boateng is better on the ball than Vertonghen imo. (Not saying Vertinghen isn't good) just he is not a complete stand out like a Koeman in his day.
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