I like him a lot, as a CB.
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Vermaelen certainly feels like the poor mans Vertonghen.
With Levy as chairman he will take us to the cleaners on this deal.. We could buy a great lb and a cb for the same amount... Blind and De Vrij would cost less.. Not saying they are better but would make more sense imo..
That would just be filling up numbers IMO. Blind for a maximum of 15M would be ok, as he's very versatile, but, as much as I rate De Vrij, I don't think our CB options would be good enough, Evans, Smalling, Jones, De Vrij, M. Keane, Vidic is just missing there.
We need a better player in there and I consider Vertonghen as one, at CB and LB.
Fair enough, but I still think Levy would bleed us dry on this deal. And for that kind of money we should go for Hummels...
It would extremely pissing off if we let jones or smalling to get this guy.
It's the other way around but neither of them are much cop.
Vertonghen the poor mans Vermaelen. That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard.He's twice the player.
He's considerably better than both of them at this current moment in time and more suited to a top team due to his ability on the ball.
Verthongen is definitely better at fullback than Vermaelen and they're both a bit error prone at CB. Would definitely rather have the former
We don't do business with Tottenham, so no chance.
Nah, that'd purchase a world class centre-back.
Thats Verthongen plus Eriksen. The player. They can keep you
What world-class centre back are you thinking about getting for 35 million? The only world-class ones around are Thiago Silva, Hummels, Sergio Ramos, Kompany and arguably Chiellini.
Silva you'd never get, Hummels would never be sold this season, Ramos no chance, Kompany more chance of signing Messi. Doubt you'd want Chiellini due to his age and he loves Juventus anyway and highly doubt he'd leave for United.
I wasn't being serious though, he's obviously not worth 35 million. I'd say 20-25 million is about his price in the current market, but Levy would extract every penny from you.
Yeah, maybe if this was 10 years ago.
Right now, this club wouldn't sell Eriksen for less than 40 million and Vertonghen for less than 25. Two of our best players, the former is our brightest prospect who had an excellent first season and is one of the biggest talents in the world, the latter is still one of the best defenders in the league.
Which is why we won't be offering anything for him, we're done with Tottenham and Levy.
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Wait, the rumour about them seems to be regarding vermelen and not vertongen. Never mind.
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Our best player, 22 years old, just signed for the club, was near the top of the league for assists and grabbed a nice goal tally. We have Levy as chairman. We wouldn't sell for anything less than an extortionate fee. Whether he's worth that or not is another matter.
David luiz went for 50 million for god sake.
I don't think he's top-drawer. Neither is Vermaelen.
You'd be correct.
Honestly after the the plums deep buttock rodding you gave us the last twice we did business that doesn't sound like too bad of a price.
Well that depends on what you consider a top-drawer defender these days. The quality really isn't there.
He was in the Premier League team of the season in his first year and was absolutely brilliant for us. Second season he suffered from injuries, being played out of position constantly and also having to play alongside Dawson which would make anyone look bad. Nobody in our team looked particularly good last year with Eriksen/Adebayor as the exceptions.
He was also extremely highly rated at Ajax. He's a top defender in my view and still one of the best in the league. He's prone to the odd mistake but so are most around right now, he's a massive threat in the opposition box as a huge bonus. He was one of our biggest attacking threats in his first year!
I know it's popular to call all our players rubbish now, but Vertonghen is one of the few truly quality ones we have.
I do rate Vertonghen, and would welcome him at Manchester United but he is not in the top bracket of central defenders yet he'd cost as much.
If we compare every transfer to David Luiz, we should have been getting £15 million for Evra. It doesn't work like that.
I'm sure you'd get something over the top for Eriksen but £40 million is something else entirely.
I consider myself a rather objective and level-headed fan when it comes to comparing and evaluating players. I don't think he's better than Evans, either. Better at some things, but overall more or less the same level. Many people won't agree but I rate Jones higher than both of them.For god sake guys.
We signed him for £12m or so in the last year of his contract, it was considered a massive bargain by most. He has now completed a season in the PL and been very successful, has a long contract and is playing under a chairman who always milks the most money possible out of his players.
He was statistically better than Oscar last year in a far worse performing side and whilst playing less games. How much do you think Chelsea would get for him? Not to mention it was Oscar's second season.
There is absolutely no chance Evans is as good as Vert. You won't find a single fan outside of United (Maybe Arsenal fans) who would say Evans is better.
Vertonghen is one of the top defenders in the league, Evans is no where near. He's an OK backup CB and massively overrated by some United fans. Also - Jones potentially is better than Vertonghen, I rate him extremely highly. However his current level is below that of Vertonghen's. If he's played at CB for a full season and not moved around a lot then he has potential to be a top player. Right now it's not very close as to who is the superior player.
Both Evans and Jones (and Smalling, by the way) were statistically better than Vertonghen last year in a worse performing side and whilst playing less games.
Evans is better at defending than Vertonghen. You can call me bias all you want, and you seem to make such statements quite a bit about United/Spurs comparisons, but heh, you are doing the same thing from a Spurs fans perspective. If we're going to debase every argument to that level what is the point of you posting on a United forum? Vert is better at going forward obviously, which is why he gets overrated a lot like Vermaelen did a few years ago.
Both Evans and Jones (and Smalling, by the way) were statistically better than Vertonghen last year in a worse performing side and whilst playing less games.
Vertonghen had a horrible year, there is no denying that. Whilst United were poor, we were far worse at the back than you were. Dawson was a liability, Kaboul was useless. We were playing Naughton for god sake.
Defensively we were a joke last year. That's not Vertonghen's true form.
Vertonghen is comfortably better than evans or Jones. Really talented guy, who played too long for Ajax. He should have left the Eredivisie 1-2 years earlier. Eriksen played a surprisingly good season, but isnt really that special. He is far less talented than Oscar.
Vertonghen is talented but Evans is the better CB.
And when Vertonghen plays for Man Utd for 3 months and does well he will be in that top bracket?
Vertonghen is top class without a doubt. He's just being played out of position. Manchester United should take him in a heartbeat. Especially since he's very suited to the game Van Gaal wants to play.
Say what you like but Vertonghen is currently not as strong a centre-back as the likes of Hummels or Thiago Silva.And when Vertonghen plays for Man Utd for 3 months and does well he will be in that top bracket?
Vertonghen is top class without a doubt. He's just being played out of position. Manchester United should take him in a heartbeat. Especially since he's very suited to the game Van Gaal wants to play.
I don't think many people would have him in the top bracket. Simply isn't good enough to be considered among Hummels, Thiago Silva, Benatia.And when Vertonghen plays for Man Utd for 3 months and does well he will be in that top bracket?
Vertonghen is top class without a doubt. He's just being played out of position. Manchester United should take him in a heartbeat. Especially since he's very suited to the game Van Gaal wants to play.
Oh no, he's not alongside those (although Benatia doesn't deserve to be there either..yet..he's had 1 good season and 1 excellent one at a top club, similar to Vert)
He's in the level below that.
No he isn't at all and this rubbish is going to be shown for what it is next season. Eriksen is an absolutely sublime player and our main man. Some of his play last year was just
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