Jan Vertonghen

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For god sake guys. :lol:

Care to elaborate, because Evans, in my opinion, has been consistently very good in the last few years - doing an excellent job covering for Rio and Vidic when injured, while Vertongen, on the other hand, has decent displays every now and then, but he's an accident waiting to happen and is forever caught out of position.
 
Oh no, he's not alongside those (although Benatia doesn't deserve to be there either..yet..he's had 1 good season and 1 excellent one at a top club, similar to Vert)

He's in the level below that.
I'm not even sure he's on that level, he's not as good as Ramos, Pique, Boateng, Varane, Kompany.
 
Care to elaborate, because Evans, in my opinion, has been consistently very good in the last few years - doing an excellent job covering for Rio and Vidic when injured, while Vertongen, on the other hand, has decent displays every now and then, but he's an accident waiting to happen and is forever caught out of position.

Vertonghen was in the team of the season in his first year and was better than Evans has ever been so this crap about "decent displays every now and then" just emphasize how little you know of him really.

He was poor last year due to injuries, playing out of position and playing next to some absolute numpties in a calamitous year for the club.
 
I don't think many people would have him in the top bracket. Simply isn't good enough to be considered among Hummels, Thiago Silva, Benatia.

It's only because he plays for a club like Spurs. Put him in Manchester United and people will put him in that list within half a season. Which is obviously bullshit. It's not like a player will evolve that much in just a few months. Vertonghen as a CB is topclass. He's not far off guys like Hummels or Thiago Silva. Spurs are idiots for playing him out of position.
 
It's only because he plays for a club like Spurs. Put him in Manchester United and people will put him in that list within half a season. Which is obviously bullshit. It's not like a player will evolve that much in just a few months. Vertonghen as a CB is topclass. He's not far off guys like Hummels or Thiago Silva. Spurs are idiots for playing him out of position.

Exactly and yes we are. Hopefully we'll see the end of that when we bring in Davies as our first-choice left back so Vertonghen no longer has to play there. The funny thing is he can do a job there still but he's so much better as a CB.
 
I'm not even sure he's on that level, he's not as good as Ramos, Pique, Boateng, Varane, Kompany.

Kompany and Ramos are at the top level imo. He'd look better than Pique at Barca, the stuff Pique is awful at is what Vertonghen is criticized for and he's better going forward.

I don't think you'd see too much difference if Vertonghen played at Bayern instead of Boateng either. It's hardly like Boateng has always looked that great..as for Varane he's the biggest CB prospect around at the moment.
 
Very good player, but this deal is a no-go, knowing how difficult it is to negotiate with Levy.

Thing is he'd never want to sell either. Our defence is already a mess, we need to strengthen not weaken it. We'd get 35m absolutely maximum even with Levy for him and who could we buy with that? A prospect or two for sure but we need a proven player at the back and losing him would be massive.
 
This @Eriksen bloke. Haven't noticed him before. Does he wildly over-rate all Spurs players? Or just a select few?


It's brilliant people branding all Spurs players overrated. I remember having it every 5 minutes with Modric and Bale. People were adamant Bale was overrated even when he was scoring a screamer every game for us. Modric wasn't worth the sum Madrid paid for him and was never one of the best midfielders in the league.

We're far from perfect and have some dross - Dawson, Kaboul, Lennon, Chadli, Dembele, Walker, Rose to name some of the ones I absolutely do not rate...

We do however, amazingly have some good players. We don't (generally, last season apart although we challenged for a large portion) challenge for the CL with a team full of Heskey's. I know that is hard to take.

Vertonghen, Lloris, Eriksen, Lamela, Sandro are some of those good players. Lamela obviously hasn't shown it thus far but has the talent. The ones I've discussed in this thread (Vertonghen, Eriksen) are both underrated because they play for Tottenham. Oscar is supposedly the vastly superior talent for some reason, I remember Eriksen being rated extremely highly by most before he moved here and as one of the top young players in the world. Apparently after carrying us when he played, he's now worse.

Vertonghen was absolute top class in his first season, easily our 2nd best after Bale and is still one of the best defenders in the league. Considering a few United fans on here also agree he's quality I'd say me "wildly overrating them" is absolute rubbish. I just dislike the notion our players are all crap.

Let's play Thiago Silva at left-back next to Dawson when he's barely fit all season and see how he gets on.
 
It's brilliant people branding all Spurs players overrated. I remember having it every 5 minutes with Modric and Bale. People were adamant Bale was overrated even when he was scoring a screamer every game for us. Modric wasn't worth the sum Madrid paid for him and was never one of the best midfielders in the league.

We're far from perfect and have some dross - Dawson, Kaboul, Lennon, Chadli, Dembele, Walker, Rose to name some of the ones I absolutely do not rate...

We do however, amazingly have some good players. We don't (generally, last season apart although we challenged for a large portion) challenge for the CL with a team full of Heskey's. I know that is hard to take.

Vertonghen, Lloris, Eriksen, Lamela, Sandro are some of those good players. Lamela obviously hasn't shown it thus far but has the talent. The ones I've discussed in this thread (Vertonghen, Eriksen) are both underrated because they play for Tottenham. Oscar is supposedly the vastly superior talent for some reason, I remember Eriksen being rated extremely highly by most before he moved here and as one of the top young players in the world. Apparently after carrying us when he played, he's now worse.

Vertonghen was absolute top class in his first season, easily our 2nd best after Bale and is still one of the best defenders in the league. Considering a few United fans on here also agree he's quality I'd say me "wildly overrating them" is absolute rubbish. I just dislike the notion our players are all crap.

Let's play Thiago Silva at left-back next to Dawson when he's barely fit all season and see how he gets on.
I don't think anyone thinks all your players are shit. But most of us would agree that Eriksen isn't one if the best talents in the world and Vertonghen isn't one of the best defenders.
 
I don't think anyone thinks all your players are shit. But most of us would agree that Eriksen isn't one if the best talents in the world and Vertonghen isn't one of the best defenders.

Eriksen was considered one of the most promising young players at Ajax, I remember it very well and was very excited by his signing. Since then he's exceeded expectations and despite injuries/us being utterly useless going forward, he's done very well indeed. I wonder if a Chelsea/United player had his kind of statistics if they'd be rated as one of the best?

I love Eriksen, as do all Spurs fans. He's brilliant, his only issues are sometimes iffy finishing and a lack of defensive work rate, but the latter doesn't bother me because I'd rather he spent most of his time up the pitch anyway. I don't see why he's not one of the bigger talents out there right now, he's come in as a highly rated youngster and done extremely well and made himself the main man at a club that usually challenges for a CL spot. Most opposition fans I've talked to think he's a brilliant player and do reckon we've got a future star on our hands. He's sublime.

Vertonghen isn't one of the very best - he's not Thiago Silva or Hummels, no. He is however a very good defender and one of the best currently in the Premier League. What I find funny is people comparing him to Evans or Vermaelen - two players I think that he's quite clearly on a different level to.
 
He's average as a CB, he's average as a full back. The one thing going for him is that he's comfortable with the ball at his feet and has good technique. At least that's my take on the guy from what I've seen. Could be wrong. Not having a dig at Spurs or anything.
 
He's average as a CB, he's average as a full back. The one thing going for him is that he's comfortable with the ball at his feet and has good technique. At least that's my take on the guy from what I've seen. Could be wrong. Not having a dig at Spurs or anything.

If that's your opinion fair enough but he's certainly worse as a left back than as a CB. He's also very good in the air (scores a good few with his head), quick for a defender and I'd say your evaluation of his defending abilities is harsh. He's certainly not the greatest pure 'defender' in the world but he's not bad.

He is however prone to errors, that's his major weakness.
 
Just noticed he's actually older then Evans. For some reason I thought he was about two years younger.
 
Vertonghen is an interesting player. He wanted to play CB rather than DM, which is probably a better suited position for him. He's quite nifty going forward.

He's a complementary CB who would pair well with a Silva, Hummels, Kompany.

I'm surprised City hasn't expressed interest as he'd be a great fit for them.
 
Vertonghen is an interesting player. He wanted to play CB rather than DM, which is probably a better suited position for him. He's quite nifty going forward.

He's a complementary CB who would pair well with a Silva, Hummels, Kompany.

I'm surprised City hasn't expressed interest as he'd be a great fit for them.

That's a fair evaluation.

Haven't City just signed Mangala?
 
He is however prone to errors, that's his major weakness.

Yeah, that's actually better put. For my liking he's making too much mistakes to be considered a top or very good defender. But his contribution going forward maybe making up for this. Personally I'd want my defenders to be defensively solid first.
"Average" is harsh, I admit. He's decent but in my mind he wouldn't improve our defense and that's already a rather big tell.
 
Yeah, that's actually better put. For my liking he's making too much mistakes to be considered a top or very good defender. But his contribution going forward maybe making up for this. Personally I'd want my defenders to be defensively solid first.
"Average" is harsh, I admit. He's decent but in my mind he wouldn't improve our defense and that's already a rather big tell.

Fair enough - I think Jones/Smalling both have great potential in that position anyway and it's just about fulfilling it. They could do with a Hummels type character in there with a bit of experience.
 
Opposition fans underate Evans, we overrate him.
We underrate Vertonghen, Spurs fans overrate him.

Would I swap Evans for Vertonghen? Nope.
Would Spurs fans swap Vertonghen for Evans? Nope.

Difference is you'd find a fair portion of United fans who would swap Evans for Vertonghen whereas I think you'd struggle to find a single Spurs one who'd swap Vert for Evans.
 
Difference is you'd find a fair portion of United fans who would swap Evans for Vertonghen whereas I think you'd struggle to find a single Spurs one who'd swap Vert for Evans.

You can also find United fans that want/wanted RVP sold.

Whenever Evans is in the lineup, I feel more relaxed. He has done well for us and in a consistent line up, he would gain the necessary momentum and form needed to stand out to opposition fans. Not that that really matters anyway.
 
You can also find United fans that want/wanted RVP sold.

Whenever Evans is in the lineup, I feel more relaxed. He has done well for us and in a consistent line up, he would gain the necessary momentum and form needed to stand out to opposition fans. Not that that really matters anyway.

Fair enough, I'm not sure if I am hugely underrating Evans here. Will have to pay more attention if/when he plays for you next year.
 
I notice Caulker being sold to QPR, he's a lot better than Vertonghen.
He is in his feck :lol: I see you finally decided to come back from the dead, after hearing the rather distressful news that your dear loyal Fabregas decided to go to Chelsea.
 
Vertonghen was in the team of the season in his first year and was better than Evans has ever been so this crap about "decent displays every now and then" just emphasize how little you know of him really.

He was poor last year due to injuries, playing out of position and playing next to some absolute numpties in a calamitous year for the club.

Vertonghen had a good first season, then people started to work him out. There's a reason he's shifted out to the left for both Totteham and Belgium, because like I said, he's an accident waiting to happen at centre back.

P.S. Evans had just as good a season as Vertonghen in 11/12 season, yet he wasn't in team of the year.
 
Vertonghen is a typical overrated Spurs player. See Dembele, Walker etc. for further info.
 
Vertonghen is a typical overrated Spurs player. See Dembele, Walker etc. for further info.

Walker is not overrated, us Spurs fans think he's a brainless tit who makes an infuriating amount of errors. Would be delighted to see him leave, it'd instantly improve our defense. Not sure about opposition fans but I rarely hear anything good about him. He couldn't cross to save his life either.

He's lightning fast, strong and a decent tackler but he's a rubbish footballer at the end of the day. Some of our fanbase really rate Dembele and he was pretty good in his first season with us. He's immensely strong on the ball and a brilliant dribbler but he has no end product whatsoever and looked poor last season. Don't really like him and prefer Paulinho/Dembele or even Capoue (who looked very sharp to start off with for us, before being injured) in midfield over him.

Posted this before but more detailed list of Spurs players I rate:

Lloris: He makes me wince very often, but he's basically a poor mans Neuer. His coming out saves more goals than it costs but he still judges a few poorly and makes too many mistakes. Still a quality shot stopper though and one of the best keepers in the league around De Gea, Begovic, Cech etc.

Vertonghen: Some of you don't rate him particularly highly, but I do. I think he's a victim of being surrounded by a terrible defense. Yes, he's not the best defender around but his attacking attributes are a massive plus for any side and were a huge asset in his first season for us. He was genuinely in most matches our 2nd biggest attacking threat after Bale, which is pretty insane. He's a decent defender who's very good on the ball and would excel next to a truly world-class defender like Kompany, Silva etc. Put him in a top side and he'd look very good indeed. Put him next to Rose, Naughton, Dawson and a destroyed Kaboul and any defender on this planet would look poor. Not to mention Walker being a bloody disaster case and Lloris sometimes going on suicide runs.

This all accompanied by AVB's suicidal high line with Dawson in it made him look poor.

Eriksen: Not sure how some of you don't rate him as a top talent. He's capable of absolute magic. Personally think Oscar is extremely overrated and was poor for most of the 2nd half of last season. Would certainly not swap the two. The moment Spurs fans saw him vs. Norwich we were raving about him, I believe he had two gorgeous assists in that game. His set pieces are absolute dynamite, he's a sublime passer and a brilliant dribbler, he can score absolute worldies, has a bit of pace to him as well. His technique is brilliant. He came in to our side and looked easily the best player despite not actually ( I believe ) being at his best and playing in a woefully out of form side with two different managers. What exactly does Oscar offer he doesn't? Work rate is all I can think of. Top talent and the statistics back that up.

Lamela: Didn't see much from him, obviously. However, I've asked around to enough Roma fans and watched enough youtube clips (Yes, I know..) to see the massive potential. Even for Spurs at times, when he got on the ball you got excited. He's clearly a potentially brilliant player who needs careful treatment. Him being in form for us next season is absolutely crucial.

Out of fear about this becoming an essay, the others are Capoue, Sandro and genuinely Soldado, who I believe is a good player who is simply not playing in a system that fits him at all and lost his confidence completely. Capoue was excellent before his injury, Sandro is still a very good DM but was poor last season so we'll see.

So that's 7 players I rate out of our entire squad as not being poor/average. Paulinho I don't like very much but he's a solid, unspectacular CM.


To say "Overrated spurs player" is ridiculous though. Like I've said before; Modric and Bale were both considered hugely overrated when they played for us. It's pretty funny really, one is now the best midfielder in the world in my view and the other the most expensive player of all time and a CL winner.
 
I think he's in the top bracket of CB's in the PL but behind Kompany and Koscielny.
 
I think he's in the top bracket of CB's in the PL but behind Kompany and Koscielny.


Yep. Those two I'd take over him. Cahill on last season's form but then he probably mainly looks good due to Chelsea's excellent defensive organization.
 
He hasn't played much of CB though, has he?

He was used almost exclusively at CB in his first year and last season played it as well but was shunted out to the left at times. Doubt Pochettino will play him anywhere other than CB now.
 
He was used almost exclusively at CB in his first year and last season played it as well but was shunted out to the left at times. Doubt Pochettino will play him anywhere other than CB now.
Don't remember exactly. Every time I saw a Spurs match, I could see Verthongen playing on the left with Dawson-Kaboul-Chiriches in the center.
 
Don't remember exactly. Every time I saw a Spurs match, I could see Verthongen playing on the left with Dawson-Kaboul-Chiriches in the center.

Yeah, last season he was often deployed on the left, but with a new LB signed he'll return back to his original position. Hopefully not with Dawson next to him. Please.
 
Eriksen: Not sure how some of you don't rate him as a top talent. He's capable of absolute magic. Personally think Oscar is extremely overrated and was poor for most of the 2nd half of last season. Would certainly not swap the two. The moment Spurs fans saw him vs. Norwich we were raving about him, I believe he had two gorgeous assists in that game. His set pieces are absolute dynamite, he's a sublime passer and a brilliant dribbler, he can score absolute worldies, has a bit of pace to him as well. His technique is brilliant. He came in to our side and looked easily the best player despite not actually ( I believe ) being at his best and playing in a woefully out of form side with two different managers. What exactly does Oscar offer he doesn't? Work rate is all I can think of. Top talent and the statistics back that up.

your named yourself "Eriksen". you are obviously biased as feck. He played a very good season but is nothing really special. Oscar played 111 matches in two seasons in a far more demanding role; that was just too much. Except setpieces, Oscar is better in every single way. Anyway. Its getting offtopic. We can agree, that United wont buy Eriksen.

I am actually surprised, that Barca isnt sniffing around Vertonghen. Great CB. Very underrated. He would look world class in the right system.
 
your named yourself "Eriksen". you are obviously biased as feck. He played a very good season but is nothing really special. Oscar played 111 matches in two seasons in a far more demanding role; that was just too much. Except setpieces, Oscar is better in every single way. Anyway. Its getting offtopic. We can agree, that United wont buy Eriksen.

I am actually surprised, that Barca isnt sniffing around Vertonghen. Great CB. Very underrated. He would look world class in the right system.


Because I like the player so much, as he's absolutely quality? :rolleyes: Whatever, there's no point arguing with somebody who thinks he's "Nothing really special."


Barca don't sign CB's.
 
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