He was going to be my selection for an equal touch for a CB too from what I have seen.
But Vertonghen is a good defender, he wouldn't have made the team of the season if he wasn't.
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He was going to be my selection for an equal touch for a CB too from what I have seen.
But Vertonghen is a good defender, he wouldn't have made the team of the season if he wasn't.
This is verging on ridiculous.
Vertonghen could easily play in midfield, he's very, very good on the ball indeed. There are very few defenders in the world better than him in that sense or equal. He can play LB due to this, despite not being particularly quick. His touch is excellent, he can dribble, has a decent shot on him and has a very good passing range for a defender as well as being intelligent with this passing. Boateng is not as good as him on the ball, lets not be silly now and Evans isn't close either. Both I'm sure are capable of being composed on the ball but Vertonghen takes it to a different level.
Luiz is very good on the ball but Vertonghen is far less dodgy. He might have a mistake or two in him but Luiz IS a liability at times.
Good luck next season, you won't need it like with all your world beaters.
Oh yes the team of the season, the ultimate benchmark.
Isn't Steve Me in that every season?
What an idiotic statement, truly pathetic. I've praised a few of our players, we do have some good ones you know that right? We have a ton of dross in the squad which I have acknowledged on numerous occasions and I've even agreed our defense is terrible. Don't let this get in the way of your 'DELUDED SPURS FAN HYPING UP HIS TEAM' agenda though.
I rate a handful of players from our team and one or two of which I really rate. Get over yourself.
Ah yes. Let's totally ignore being among the best defenders in the league in his first season, that means absolutely nothing. It's not like he's only spent 2 seasons at the club, the latter of which he was injured for a large majority and out of position.
No, he isn't in it every season but he is in it regularly because he's one of the best midfielders in the league and regularly tops the assist charts. He was also very good last season - just because you're a United fan doesn't mean you have to ignore facts. He was crap in the world cup but very good for Liverpool and a key part of why they did so well.
Wow that hurt.
So does reading your ill informed posts.
He scored about ten pens and set a few up but hey in your world it's all about the stats and the first touch.
Have a world with yourself son.
Erikson, Boateng has the highest pass completion rate in Europe for a centre back also the most long cometion passes and assists as a centre back so how the feck is it bordering on ridiculous? You need to stop acting like a fud ball if someone has a difference of opinion!
Did I even mention his goals scored? I am aware the majority were penalties.
Oh silly me, using a midfielders ability to create chances to (partly) judge them and using a players first touch to (partly) judge their ball playing ability. What I should really do is dismiss players as 'average' based on nothing at all. That seems more right.
I'm not going to sit here and debate whether Gerrard deserved it or not but he clearly was among the better midfielders in the league last season, despite his later error.
He's playing at Bayern, a team that absolutely bosses every single team they face in the league and most in Europe. Stick Vertonghen in there and let's see how he gets on with passing stats shall we?
What was bordering on ridiculous was Evans, who is quite clearly not better on the bloody ball than Vertonghen. I'm not sure how there is even an argument for it.
Evans is utter class on the ball I'm not sure why your picking him out! If there is a better two footed ball playing centre back than Evans then name him. Ridiculous my arse.
Because there is absolutely no chance Evans is better. I'm sure he's very good and all but Vertonghen's main quality is his ability on the ball and the fact he doesn't look out of place going forward and got a very nice amount of goals and assists in his first season with us.
He might be very composed but his passing ability/attacking attributes are nowhere near that of Vertonghen.
That's all well and good but Evans is also good enough at actually defending while at centre half to ensure he doesn't get stuck out at full back.
He got "stuck out at full back" because we had a crisis in that position and for Belgium because they totally lack anyone in that position. Let's make versatility a bad thing though.
He will play CB all of next season. Unless there is another crisis.
What system is that? One with at least another 2 centre backs to cover for Luiz's complete lack of discipline and positional awareness?
I agree though Vertongen is a better defender than Luiz.
He's played at left back on a lot of occasions when he could easily have been selected centrally as well. He's a decent player, don't get me wrong but defensively give me Evans every time.
Pretty much. He looked really good and was actually one of the tournie's top performers up until the Germany game. Next to Silva he looked good, his aggressive defending style worked because Silva covered for him. Without him he was lost.
I don't rate him though and 50m was an absolute joke.
Because he's generally been good in that position as well. Like I said, internationally Belgium totally lack in that area but have a decent amount of centre backs.
For us he is played there because like I said, we have Rose who is a disaster and previous to that when BAE was injured.
I've got no problem with Vertonghen. I actually think he'd be a great addition for United if we are continuing with the 3-5-2 system. I think playing at full back has hampered him a lot and he hasn't been able to kick on since signing for you lot IMO, so the defensive side of his game isn't quite where I'd want it to be in a 2 man central pairing.
I reckon one of the tournaments top performers is a bit of a stretch, but yeah he looked decent beside the best defender in the world and two deep midfielders sitting in front of him. But once they played a very good team he was found out big time embarrassing performance in the germany game.
At PSG he will no doubt look good in such a weak league, but in the CL he will cost them against anyone good. I still reckon £50m for a defender who can't actually defend might be the best transfer deal in history for Chelsea or any other selling club.
That's fair, he should be played centrally next season now we've signed Davies (an actually competent left back).
Indeed, I will follow his progress this season in the central area. Who knows, maybe this time next season this thread will be revisited.
He was pretty damn good, that goal vs. Colombia was the height of the hype around his performances. Pretty sure he was the world cups best performer by stats or something, not too sure but heard that somewhere. Obviously he wasn't actually the best but he had been good up till then. He was certainly found out vs. Germany.
He'll be alright with Thiago Silva holding his hand I reckon. That partnership generally seems to work but he'll still make high profile errors, its in his nature. I agree, genuinely can't believe he went for that much when someone like Hummels will go for less.
Hummels is far more influential on the ball than Vertonghen. Vertonghen has more pace so can gallop forward and he has a good strike, but the majority of the time the only way a CB influences the play from an attacking POV (in open play) is through their passing and Hummels is lightyears ahead of him on that front. Aside from having a good strike - which isn't particularly useful for a CB - he's no more impressive than plenty of ball-playing CBs. It's just because he's not that great defensively that the other side of his game gets more hype. Thiago Silva's the opposite.
I'd rather my CB's had pace than superior passing.
Vertonghen isn't slow for a CB and I suppose that depends on the system a team uses.
I think you can rule out Vertonghen:
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Vertonghen: "We are in talks about a new contract. We both want to come to an agreement."
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Vertonghen: "If I didn't want to extend I wouldn't have opened talks. I don't want to betray the club's trust in me."
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Vertonghen: "We are in talks about a new contract. We both want to come to an agreement."
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Vertonghen: "If I didn't want to extend I wouldn't have opened talks. I don't want to betray the club's trust in me."
I like him (please don't kill me)
I don't think many of us wanted him.
Yeah you have world-class super duper Evans, the best CB in the world.
Happy for him...he's found his level.
At least he's aware of his level.
His level being the Premier League TOTS, something only Vermaelen out of any of the current Arsenal defenders has ever managed and he's leaving.
Boring.
Could be worse, we could have Dawson and Kaboul.
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