Jamie Vardy | Signs new contract

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Oaencha said:
Wenger would need to be dumped in a shopping trolley and wheeled off to the asylum if he used Xhaka as a no 10... but back to the thread. I am delighted Utd have dodged the Vardy bullet. He scores goals for Leicester because Ranieri managed to masterfully come up with a system which played to everyone's strengths. Take Vardy out of the system and drop him into a team which most teams park the bus against and he will get no space to run in behind the defence, effectively making him redundent.
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Yep. Said the same on Vardy in a few posts, which is how we got on to Arsenal. Vardy would suit us better under SAF where pace was a weapon we used. As Jose has not marched us in to battle yet we are still not sure that missing out on Vardy is a loss. He may choose to be more United than United themselves and use pace. But I'm guessing he wont.

So will vardy change to suit the goonies or will the goonies change to adapt to vardys strengths
 
Grinner said:
Still a load of old guff. Why did you waste your time putting all that together?

"counterattacking football simply isn't in Wenger's DNA."...laughable. You haven't a clue, sunshine.

Ah, you're 23....that explains it. Do some research before giving it large.
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Ah, so everyone else is wrong and you're right, including other Arsenal supporters. So that's how it works in your world. Got it.
 
KM said:
Arsenal played counter attacking football against teams like City and Bayern. However against the weaker teams, they didn't.

Is it a surprise that Vardy's goals dried up in the latter half of the season, when teams figured out to play deep against Leicester and hence the constant 1-0 wins? Arsenal, just like any other big club will have to deal with teams who will sit deep against them.

I don't think Vardy is the man suitable for that role.
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Exactly.

In my previous post I referred to most teams in the league. Clearly, Arsenal are not going to going to enjoy as much possession against the likes of Barcelona or Bayern. But against most premiership clubs, Arsenal dominated possession and it's a very good bet that they will again next season. And it's a very good bet that Arsenal will finish in the top four, as they have each season for a very, very long time.

What Arsenal will do in the upcoming season remains to be seen, but my hunch is that Wenger won't adopt a radical tactical departure from what we saw from them last season. Minor tweaks, sure, and Vardy offers something Giroud can't in certain situations -- maybe Wenger is thinking about those few opponents who dominate possession on Arsenal and Vardy can hit them on the counter. But when opposing sides defend deep inside their own last third, Vardy becomes less a factor than when opposing sides are stretched.
 
He will regret not moving IMO.
From what I'm reading, it's a bit of a cnutish move from Vardy's camp. I read that this whole episode was initiated by Vardy. It was his people who sent out feelers that Vardy was available for so so amount and contacted Arsenal, United and other clubs.
It could be he always had no intention of moving but wanted to strengthen his position at Leicester.
 
If he stays at Leicester by getting a much bigger contract, then he has learnt well from his international teammate and captain.
 
Arsenal is the wrong club to join in my opinion. Wrong style of play and he's got a better chance of performing as well as he did last season with Leicester as he would with Arsenal.

Spurs might have been a more interesting option.
 
RDCR07 said:
If he stays at Leicester by getting a much bigger contract, then he has learnt well from his international teammate and captain.
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Only he will never get as big a contract at Leicester as he would get at a real top club let alone the kind of contract his captain could pull off. Still got some lessons to learn in that regard.
 
The red panther said:
Only he will never get as big a contract at Leicester as he would get at a real top club let alone the kind of contract his captain could pull off. Still got some lessons to learn in that regard.
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Its not like Arsenal are going to give him a big contract either. He isnt that special to break their wage structure over. And it looks like its either Arsenal or Leicester. No one else seems interested.
 
RDCR07 said:
Its not like Arsenal are going to give him a big contract either. He isnt that special to break their wage structure over. And it looks like its either Arsenal or Leicester. No one else seems interested.
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Arsenal also have a couple of big earners not like with us but still.
 
RDCR07 said:
The only ones I can think of are Ozil and Sanchez. I think everyone else is 125,000/wk and less.
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Well I doubt very much Leicester can afford such wages. If they give it to Vardy they will have to significantly up the wages of the other players aswell.
 
Even though it's the wrong signing, find it hilarious that Jamie fecking Vardy is stalling on signing for Arsenal.

And also a tad depressing that we didn't qualify for CL and hence been able to use the 22£ mil clause.
 
RDCR07 said:
The only ones I can think of are Ozil and Sanchez. I think everyone else is 125,000/wk and less.
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The red panther said:
Well I doubt very much Leicester can afford such wages. If they give it to Vardy they will have to significantly up the wages of the other players aswell.
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Read on the Beeb that Vardy's on 80k a week at Leicester (signed a few months back). Arsenal offering 120k.
 
KM said:
Even though it's the wrong signing, find it hilarious that Jamie fecking Vardy is stalling on signing for Arsenal.

And also a tad depressing that we didn't qualify for CL and hence been able to use the 22£ mil clause.
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Hey he only wanted United red and we are not interested.... Sorry Jamie!
 
murphs_law said:
Hey he only wanted United red and we are not interested.... Sorry Jamie!
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think we were interested in him but non CL is a tad bummer. Jose and FA Cup helps ease the pain though.
 
KM said:
Even though it's the wrong signing, find it hilarious that Jamie fecking Vardy is stalling on signing for Arsenal.

And also a tad depressing that we didn't qualify for CL and hence been able to use the 22£ mil clause.
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If we qualified I doubt we would have gone for him. The emergence of Rashford has completely changed the dynamic of our transfer strategy in terms of signing a top striker aka Kane, Lukaku, Higuain etc. We dont want anyone to stand in the Rashford starting for us in a couple of years. Zlatan is the perfect option for one maybe two years. Depending on how Rashford he should be able to lead our line when he is 21 in three years time when Zlatan leaves.
 
Not all that surprised is the stories are true that he wants to wait until after the Euros. It gives him a chance to actually think on it some more. See what his current teammates are doing. See if anyone else jumps in with a better offer. No reason at all for him to rush at this point.
 
JustAFan said:
Not all that surprised is the stories are true that he wants to wait until after the Euros. It gives him a chance to actually think on it some more. See what his current teammates are doing. See if anyone else jumps in with a better offer. No reason at all for him to rush at this point.
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Who else do you think is going to come in? Real Madrid? :lol:
 
Flytan said:
We can only hope. Imagine him benching Benzema
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Seeing someone as limited as Vardy make such a smash of the league this year, must give incredible hope to a lot of footballers.

I remember the days when you had to have a fair bit more to you than just being able to run longer and faster than those around you.

I basically did that at the very lowest level, but that's the lowest level. To see it work at the Premier league level is quite worrying in a way.
 
Spock said:
Ah, so everyone else is wrong and you're right, including other Arsenal supporters. So that's how it works in your world. Got it.
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I'm right that you haven't a fecking clue about Arsenal, yes. That tiki-taka that we played with Adams, Vieira, Parlour, and Wright et al was sure fun to watch though. Or maybe I misremembered the footy I was watching at Highbury.
 
Worst case scenario:

Vardy screws us around and decides to stay at Leicester after the Euros
Morata to Chelsea
Aubameyang to City
Higuain to PSG

At this point I'm over it, Wenger should try and sign someone else, not to force Vardy's hand or anything, just to get a striker in. If he does then Vardy says he wants to come after all, tough luck, but I don't want us to sit down and twiddle our thumbs waiting on Jaime fecking Vardy to make a decision.

As for the discussion on counter attacking. We don't play counter attacking against the weaker sides because we can't really do that. No big side can, a weaker side comes to your place, put 10 men behind the ball and try to nick something on the counter or on a set piece.

Counter attack is difficult for a few other reasons: Giroud looks like he's running in cement everytime he steps onto the field, Coquelin is nothing more than an average passer and invariably when we do counter attack it breaks down because someone makes a bad decision or fluffs a shot.

I feel like Wenger has built a half and half team. Some of our players are suited to counter attacking, Ramsey, Sanchez, Chamberlain, Walcott. While others are suited to a more possession style game, Giroud, Arteta, Rosicky, Ozil (Although I think he can easily do both, he is that good)
 
Tyrion said:
I think the same tbh. I still haven't heard a clear explanation as to why they improved so much, just praise for them doing so which doesn't tell anyone whether or not they'll be able to play that well again.
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Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean the players aren't quality
 
Spock said:
Ah, so everyone else is wrong and you're right, including other Arsenal supporters. So that's how it works in your world. Got it.
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Here, I can't be arsed typing...

oneniltothearsenal said:
There are some weird misconceptions floating around, not just in your main thread here but also on blogs, twitter, etc. It relates to comments like "counter attacking is not in Wenger's DNA" and "Vardy won't fit the Arsenal possession style", etc.

Anyone saying these things has forgotten or never even watched Arsenal c.98-2006 when we were actually winning trophies and getting to European finals. In that first Wenger era (and for Wenger's years at Monaco for that matter), Wenger's teams were all about pacey counter attacking football. Yes he still focused on intricate one-touch passing but the style of our 98-2006 teams was very direct and not tiki-taka. Anelka, Overmars, Henry, Ljungberg, Pires, Wiltord and Kanu were all pacey counter attackers and "Wengerball" back in that era was all about counter attacking at pace.

Yes, ever since Wenger's fascination with Cesc he has used a more possession based style from 2007 onward but in the last year or two since Ozil and Sanchez its apparent that Wenger has been starting to get back to his original style and tactics more than during the 2007-2014 period. Ozil, Sanchez and Xhaka all fit pacey counter attacking football and those are his last three big outfield purchases so its reasonable to assume he is trying to change the team back to its counter attacking roots.

While we might not get Vardy and he wasn't the "world class big name striker" we all want, Vardy would hands down, 100% be a big upgrade on Giroud allowing us to play much more versatile football and not be restrained by lack of pace, off the ball movement and consistent finishing.
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He should use this to bump his contract up at leicster and see what happens next season if he gets assurances Mahrez and kante stay another year.
 
I don't see why he wouldn't fit in Arsenal 'style'. They won't have 100% of possession and has to defend once a while also.

Barca would be much less threatening if their strikers are slumberously slow. And you can hardly get more tiki-taka than them.

Although I honestly don't think Vardy is an obvious upgrade to Giroud. They have different style, while one has also more experience at high level.
 
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Isotope said:
I don't see why he wouldn't fit in Arsenal 'style'. They won't have 100% of possession. Barca would be much less threatening if their strikers are slumberously slow. And you can hardly get more tiki-taka than them.

Although I honestly don't think Vardy is an obvious upgrade to Giroud. They have different style, while one has also more experience at high level.
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Yeah but Barca's front 3 are amazing on the ball, too. They can pass, dribble with ease, play fancy tricks/passes. Vardy excelled in a counter attacking style, where by he was played through and used his speed and finishing a lot of the time. Having the ball played to his feet and being a lone striker in Arsenal's set up might not suit him.

Someone like Ibra would be perfect for Arse, shame he's ours (soon, hopefully).
 
LennonNL said:
Yeah but Barca's front 3 are amazing on the ball, too. They can pass, dribble with ease, play fancy tricks/passes. Vardy excelled in a counter attacking style, where by he was played through and used his speed and finishing a lot of the time. Having the ball played to his feet and being a lone striker in Arsenal's set up might not suit him.

Someone like Ibra would be perfect for Arse, shame he's ours (soon, hopefully).
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Agreed that Ibra would be perfect for them, and 99% of other teams out there :drool:.

Walcot is a speed merchant with less skill. He's pretty useful for Arsenal, and would be more highly rated if his finishing is as good as Vardy. And be on the pitch, might also help.
 
I think people being a bit harsh on Vardy.

Last season teams in the last 15 games did start to sit back against Leicester. It's just that the Leicester counter attack was so quick that they couldn't recover. It was like Arsenal of old.

Wengers most success came under counter attacking. He was the one who made it really successful in this country. Teams at that time used to be scared to have corners against Arsenal.
 
Isotope said:
Agreed that Ibra would be perfect for them, and 99% of other teams out there :drool:.

Walcot is a speed merchant with less skill. He's pretty useful for Arsenal, and would be more highly rated if his finishing is as good as Vardy. And be on the pitch, might also help.
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Vardy could well play out on the wing, who knows. I can see him being effective there for England in a 4-3-3
 
Isotope said:
I don't see why he wouldn't fit in Arsenal 'style'. They won't have 100% of possession and has to defend once a while also.

Barca would be much less threatening if their strikers are slumberously slow. And you can hardly get more tiki-taka than them.

Although I honestly don't think Vardy is an obvious upgrade to Giroud. They have different style, while one has also more experience at high level.
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LennonNL said:
Yeah but Barca's front 3 are amazing on the ball, too. They can pass, dribble with ease, play fancy tricks/passes. Vardy excelled in a counter attacking style, where by he was played through and used his speed and finishing a lot of the time. Having the ball played to his feet and being a lone striker in Arsenal's set up might not suit him.

Someone like Ibra would be perfect for Arse, shame he's ours (soon, hopefully).
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Definitely agree with this part here. Most of Vardy's threat comes from running in behind and quickly releasing a shot. While his technical ability is lacking, his pace lets him get away with that. With that being said, however, I definitely think he could offer Arsenal something different. Giroud hasn't suited their style for years, but I think if both Vardy and Giroud play together, it could work. While Giroud isn't clinical enough to play for a top class team, his link up play is superb. Pair his ability to play in other players, plus Ozil's passing, Vardy could be given good service that would allow him to score regularly. However, I doubt Wenger wants to play a system with 2 strikers...
 
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LennonNL said:
Vardy could well play out on the wing, who knows. I can see him being effective there for England in a 4-3-3
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And they'll also have options. Admittedly we played 4-4-2, Fergie used to have 4 strikers rotating. In 1999, we had Yorke-Cole, and Sheringham-Solksjaer. None have the same style/strength.
 
It's really funny when you think about Arsenal's transfer saga this summer being Jamie Vardy. Jamie Vardy! :lol: Who would have thought that last season?
 
Spock said:
Ah, so everyone else is wrong and you're right, including other Arsenal supporters. So that's how it works in your world. Got it.
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Look here kiddo. Anyone who watched wengers first title winning side, with the likes of Wright, Parlour and Overmars will tell you they were a very direct side.
 
You can have misconceptions about a side you don't watch 90minutes of twice a week. Since Fabregas left Arsenal have become more direct, having 2 flanks of direct pacey wingers in Walcott or Chamberlain and Gervinho. Neither of these 3 pushed on to become top players though. The following summer he loses RVP and replaces him with the best strikers he can, a very slow Giroud and Podolski, a wide forward or second striker he later said he wrongly thought could be a striker. Now that would have been a direct clinical striker if it had worked but Podolski's overall game wasn't good enough. Failing that he tries playing Gervinho as a striker/false 9. Now this actually worked really really well. Gervinho made fantastic off the ball runs finding space time and again. If he could shoot we would have been onto a winner but he can't shoot or control the ball. Still it was a mistake that we sold him, I think we should have persisted with him despite his lack of technical quality. Because what we were left with was maybe the slowest CF in the league. Giroud has his qualities, his technique is good, as are his lay offs and hold up play. But he doesn't have any agility so his finishing can be clumsy and can't run in behind or dribble and it completely stiffles our play. You feel sorry for the likes of Ozil having so little outlets.

So Gervinho leaves and he goes back to possession football now he has his playmaker paradise with Ozil, Wilshere, Ramsey, Arteta, Rosicky and Cazorla passing in triangles with no real outlet to pass into because Giroud is the link up guy and Podolski is slow and Theo can't play football.

The next season he goes for his ideal player Suarez but fails to sign him, Liverpool arguably breaking contract. Now this would of been the ideal striker for Wenger. Elite dribbling and link up play and quick enough to beat the offside trap time and again. Season after he goes for Alexis Sanchez thinking he could possibly play CF, he tries it against Everton and he's terrible. Giroud comes on and scores, he sticks by Giroud. Next summer he tries and fails to get Aubameyang and Benzema but fails.

Anyway currently Arsenal don't play pure possession football. We often play counter attacking football. The problem is we transition too slowly. Because Giroud is slow we knock the ball up to him and he holds it up but if we had a quicker striker we could knock it behind the defense and let the speedster run through. Our long passing has also been poor, Cazorla aside. Xhaka is a long pass specialist so that should remedy that somewhat.

Wenger has wanted pace up front for a long time. The problem being that none of these players have worked. For me Vardy could be Suarez-lite. The way he continually makes runs behind or dribbles past centre backs is quality. His movement is intelligent and his finishing is much better than any of our strikers offer. His ball control seems underrated and he presses like a madman. So yes I think he'd do really well here, he offers what we're missing right now. Because of that I'd actually think he's a better match for us than Ibrah, Benzema or Higuain.

Another point is Wenger is big on footballers having the right personality. Now Suarez and Vardy have both publically racially abused people. It's not something that wouldn't sit right with Wenger. So the fact he's still gone for both of them shows how much he wants someone who can make those type of runs.

Will it happen though? If not Arsenal are in trouble and I'm not sure who we go for. I suppose Lacazette is probably available right now.
 
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Would be seen as a bit of a 'meh' signing for Arsenal in my eyes. Wenger is clearly focusing on the here and now signing Vardy as he knows he doesn't have long left at the club, but I'm not sure how well he will fit it.

Many here have already alluded to the fact that Arsenal are a possession-based side, but that's the polar opposite to the time Vardy thrived in, due to the directness and long-balls in behind he used to take advantage of. Would Wenger adapt Arsenal's approach slightly, so they look to play the first time ball more often? Opposition defences would be far deeper in their half too, so there's less space to work with for Vardy.

I think he'll do alright personally and just that. I don't think he'll flop, however he still isn't the top quality striker that Arsenal require to take them to the next level. A level I'm more sure they're capable of under Wenger though. Vardy will provide a useful alternative to Giroud and Welbeck as they're all so different in style so there's extra variety in Arsenal's game though.

We'll see. I reckon he'll bag about 12-15 league goals. Certainly not as many as last season.
 
Minimalist said:
Arsenal is the wrong club to join in my opinion. Wrong style of play and he's got a better chance of performing as well as he did last season with Leicester as he would with Arsenal.

Spurs might have been a more interesting option.
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Intested to know why you think Arsenal is the wrong style of football for him but Spurs aren't?
 
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