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I don't care about other clubs in all honesty. United's youth academy has always been revered as an institution of excellence, yet Welbeck is the only forward that made the first team in about 30 years since Whiteside and Hughes. Fergie was big on strikers, being one himself in his playing days and he failed to produce one for the first team bar Welbeck.
I don't care about other clubs in all honesty. United's youth academy has always been revered as an institution of excellence, yet Welbeck is the only forward that made the first team in about 30 years since Whiteside and Hughes. Fergie was big on strikers, being one himself in his playing days and he failed to produce one for the first team bar Welbeck.
You only need to look at the past to predict the future. Can either one of you tell me the last time a home grown youth forward besides Welbeck broke into the first team? Bet you'll have to google for an answer.
That's all well and good but even Januzaj wasn't a guaranteed starter last season and towards the end of last season the quality in his performances dropped. And this season he hasn't started brightly either.
I'm not denying his abilities but these are facts of the matter, it looks as though he needs to slowly regain his match sharpness.
Wilson would be under much more pressure than Januzaj ever has been - nobody expected goals from Januzaj but it was a great bonus. Being a guaranteed starting striker means you have to score, and be trusted to score consistently.
Coming on as a sub against Hull and MK Dons and performing well is completely different to starting a game against Chelsea or City & being expected to score past Kompany/Hart & Terry/Courtois.
He's not ready for that, and it's not worth risking his growth and our league position at this point.
Sure, he can make appearances against lower league clubs, but as Burnley & MK Dons have proven every single team will be playing us knowing that they can win or frustrate us into a draw. That's why it's better to introduce him when the game is won.
One difference between Welbeck and Wilson - Wilson is by far the better finisher. If you can score goal, you will stay at this club.Can easily see him ending up the same way as Welbeck.
But then if the rumours about him being placed ahead of Welbeck aren't fabricated bull, the maybe there's hope.
Januzaj wasn't a guaranteed starter because Moyes didn't want to burn him out. Rooney, RVP, and Mata were starters. The 4th attacker in the lineup was not better than Januzaj. Kagawa, Young, Valencia, etc... weren't better. Furthermore, he rarely played after the Sunderland semi final (january) despite being player of the month in January. It wasn't until a month later that he finally saw minutes on the pitch. That suggests that his performances were not the reason why he stopped playing.
As for this season, he's only really played in two games as he got 5 min in one game and played 20 minutes in cm, a position he's never played before. That's without a pre season in a team where all the attackers are underperforming.
Can easily see him ending up the same way as Welbeck.
But then if the rumours about him being placed ahead of Welbeck aren't fabricated bull, the maybe there's hope.
Can easily see him ending up the same way as Welbeck.
But then if the rumours about him being placed ahead of Welbeck aren't fabricated bull, the maybe there's hope.
You realise that Keane and Powell have had loans before and got plenty of games and impressed? They've had far more impact than Wilson. No way is he getting a Premier League loanHe is perhaps the winner of the transfer window in forwards department. Welbeck gone, Chicharito will be unlikely to return next season and the 3 big name strikers currently are all 28+. It shows the faith LvG and Giggs have in him to make it big here in future.
I also think that he will perhaps develop better by training with likes of Di Maria, Mata and the 3 forwards than at loan somewhere where there is lesser quality in squad. He too could have easily landed a premiership club loan deal, seeing Powell, M. Keane et al landed loan deals despite making lesser impact. LvG must have told him that he will develop better by staying with the squad even if game time will be limited.
Dyche went to a couple of reserve matches last season to watch Wilson and was rumored to be keen on a loan deal for Wilson.You realise that Keane and Powell have had loans before and got plenty of games and impressed? They've had far more impact than Wilson. No way is he getting a Premier League loan
You realise that Keane and Powell have had loans before and got plenty of games and impressed? They've had far more impact than Wilson. No way is he getting a Premier League loan
You realise that Keane and Powell have had loans before and got plenty of games and impressed? They've had far more impact than Wilson. No way is he getting a Premier League loan
I put Wilson up there with Januzaj as special talents who would gain more staying with United(Being involved with the first team daily)than going out on loan.They were at loan to championship clubs. Big difference. Wilson has moved up the ranks fast. Clubs' scouts track u21 games too to search for talent. Even Demtri Mitchell was mentioned to be having a chance of loan to Southampton. Wilson could have got a premier league loan had we made him available.
In the little that we ve seen so far of Wilson, I think he is a much bigger prospect than Welbeck. He is a much more natural goalscorer than Danny ever was for us. And what luck for Wilson to be playing alongside RVP, Rooney and Falcao. Wow! Envy that kid. He can learn from the world's best.How do people compare him as a talent to welbeck? I always thought the latter was good but not a top drawer talent, like say, Januzaj.
Wilson is a big, big talent but he isn't as versatile and tactically astute as Welbeck was. The good thing about the latter was that he could be played anywhere across the final third of the pitch and put in a performance. In a fluid system which allows any of the attacking quartet to roam freely across the pitch, Welbeck will thrive. In the last few years at Utd, he never had that, and he will now at Arsenal.
Wilson is as pure a 9, as you can get. Done a job on the left a few times, but being a striker is his bread and butter. I can never imagine him doing a man-marking job on Alonso like Welbeck did, for example. Losing Welbeck means we lose the tactical flexibility associated with him, and the variety he provided to our attack.
We can find tactically astute and hard working players. They're much easier to come by. It's the ones with genuine top drawer quality that tend to be hard to find.
You only need to look at the past to predict the future. Can either one of you tell me the last time a home grown youth forward besides Welbeck broke into the first team? Bet you'll have to google for an answer.
And FWIW, LvG is a good enough coach to educate a talented player into a tactically astute one.We can find tactically astute and hard working players. They're much easier to come by. It's the ones with genuine top drawer quality that tend to be hard to find.
He is a talent though, seems so direct.
Wilson is a big, big talent but he isn't as versatile and tactically astute as Welbeck was. The good thing about the latter was that he could be played anywhere across the final third of the pitch and put in a performance. In a fluid system which allows any of the attacking quartet to roam freely across the pitch, Welbeck will thrive. In the last few years at Utd, he never had that, and he will now at Arsenal.
Wilson is as pure a 9, as you can get. Done a job on the left a few times, but being a striker is his bread and butter. I can never imagine him doing a man-marking job on Alonso like Welbeck did, for example. Losing Welbeck means we lose the tactical flexibility associated with him, and the variety he provided to our attack.
The answer is probably Mark Hughes. Who, erm, we sold. At (guess what?) 23. Before buying him back under a new manager.
Sadly, there is no such place, except the stats room at Carrington.Where can I find stats comparing Wilson's & Welbeck's time in the youth/reserve setup? I know stats don't tell the whole story but it would be interesting to see.
Ducker from The Times reporting Welbeck left after being told he was 5th choice striker behind Wilson. Delighted if true, means he's obviously made a big impression with LVG......
Where can I find stats comparing Wilson's & Welbeck's time in the youth/reserve setup? I know stats don't tell the whole story but it would be interesting to see.
Ducker from The Times reporting Welbeck left after being told he was 5th choice striker behind Wilson. Delighted if true, means he's obviously made a big impression with LVG......
That story has been circulating a lot, many people saying they got the inside information but no one is revealing their 'sources'. It sounds like some made up shit to me. It doesn't make sense, how can a player without a full first team appearance be above a more experienced and still young player in the perking order? Is it based on training and reserve team games? Its bullocks and truly worrying if true.
That van Gaal for ya, he did the same thing at Ajax to build that amazing young team, he's done it his whole career.That story has been circulating a lot, many people saying they got the inside information but no one is revealing their 'sources'. It sounds like some made up shit to me. It doesn't make sense, how can a player without a full first team appearance be above a more experienced and still young player in the perking order? Is it based on training and reserve team games? Its bullocks and truly worrying if true.
That van Gaal for ya, he did the same thing at Ajax to build that amazing young team, he's done it his whole career.
IMHO it's the right move, Wilson is bottled lightning.
