[Loublaze]

The info didn't said that he was above Welbeck just that he was 4th choice, i personnally assumed that Hernandez was gone.

5th or 4th? It keeps changing. I've seen many accounts where its specifically mentioned that Wilson and Januzaj were ahead of him

 

[JPRouve]

5th or 4th? It keeps changing. I've seen many accounts where its specifically mentioned that Wilson and Januzaj were ahead of him

Januzaj ? Never heard that one.

I heard that Januzaj was going to play centrally and i assumed will compete with Mata, which explains the sell of Kagawa.
But for Wilson it was 4th, RVP, Rooney, Welbeck and Wilson. At the time there was no Falcao.

 

[Will Absolute]

That van Gaal for ya, he did the same thing at Ajax to build that amazing young team, he's done it his whole career.

IMHO it's the right move, Wilson is bottled lightning.

Yep. I saw him for the first time when he was sixteen, and was immediately convinced he was destined for the first team. He scored four times that day, but the quality of his game was more impressive than the goal tally. Everything you could want in a striker.

Before we signed Falcao, I thought he might challenge Rooney or RvP for a regular spot. Now, I don't know what LvG has in mind. Wilson is going to be big though.

 

[gooDevil]

I have hopes for Wilson but lofty expectations and too much praise must be kept in check. He's not the first impressive young forward to come out of the ranks. So many just like him ended up being shipped off.

You never know, even a world class player needs the right sort of team to get the best out of them, they also need a bit of luck and few injuries.

I'm probably a touch over-excited, but he's by far the most impressive youth player I've seen in my time following them (about 5 years).

He's not mental like Morrison, one of my favorite things about Wilson is that he plays with joy, always a smile on his face. And when he scores it's just a bigger smile and high fives, no biggie.

You can't teach the finishing touch he has, you can't teach that agility.

How many youth strikers can drive through half a defense from the midline and then calmly go around the striker and tap it in?

Not saying he'll do that regularly against the top teams, but he ha so much to his game.

As much as I like Januzaj I think he didn't look that dominant in the reserves.

 

[RuudTom83]

Turning a youth team player into a first team regular is rare in a title winning team.

Wilson is suddenly under added pressure now with the sale of Welbeck.

The best thing United, LVG and the first team players could do is start winning again and take almost all the pressure of the likes of Wilson and Januzaj.

 

[Loublaze]

Januzaj ? Never heard that one.

I heard that Januzaj was going to play centrally and i assumed will compete with Mata, which explains the sell of Kagawa.
But for Wilson it was 4th, RVP, Rooney, Welbeck and Wilson. At the time there was no Falcao.

I heard it here on the Welbeck thread and the poster said it was from 'inside sources'.

 

[gooDevil]

Yep. I saw him for the first time when he was sixteen, and was immediately convinced he was destined for the first team. He scored four times that day, but the quality of his game was more impressive than the goal tally. Everything you could want in a striker.

Before we signed Falcao, I thought he might challenge Rooney or RvP for a regular spot. Now, I don't know what LvG has in mind. Wilson is going to be big though.

The clips I saw of him for the U18s (and occasional game that was televised) blew me away. And he went to then through the U21 team like butter.

I'm almost a touch disappointed he's got to contend with Falcao now, but of course he's not really ready to compete with that quality of striker against top teams, he has much to learn.

I thoroughly trust van Gaal to get him enough games.

 

[JPRouve]

Turning a youth team player into a first team regular is rare in a title winning team.

Wilson is suddenly under added pressure now with the sale of Welbeck.

The best thing United, LVG and the first team players could do is start winning again and take almost all the pressure of the likes of Wilson and Januzaj.

I think that the fact that Falcao is here now, Wilson is given time to develop, smoothly. He is given at least two years, when he is already a great finisher.

 

[Loublaze]

You never know, even a world class player needs the right sort of team to get the best out of them, they also need a bit of luck and few injuries.

I'm probably a touch over-excited, but he's by far the most impressive youth player I've seen in my time following them (about 5 years).

He's not mental like Morrison, one of my favorite things about Wilson is that he plays with joy, always a smile on his face. And when he scores it's just a bigger smile and high fives, no biggie.

You can't teach the finishing touch he has, you can't teach that agility.

How many youth strikers can drive through half a defense from the midline and then calmly go around the striker and tap it in?

Not saying he'll do that regularly against the top teams, but he ha so much to his game.

As much as I like Januzaj I think he didn't look that dominant in the reserves.

Im impressed by Wilson's finishing. All I can say is I hope for the best, because if he finally breaks the 'curse' he might save us millions on a single transfer (because I expect us to be in the market for forwards when RVP retires soon, Rooney as well is almost in his thirties)

 

[gooDevil]

Im impressed by Wilson's finishing. All I can say is I hope for the best, because if he finally breaks the 'curse' he might save us millions on a single transfer (because I expect us to be in the market for forwards when RVP retires soon, Rooney as well is almost in his thirties)

I think he's an ideal replacement for van Persie, similar games imho.

 

[FromTheBench]

I heard it here on the Welbeck thread and the poster said it was from 'inside sources'.

Yeah, the rumor has been that Van Gaal told Welbeck and Cheech that they would be possibly behind Januzaj in this system and Wilson soon. That's when they decided to both leave as Welbeck was as it is causing commotion from last season not happy being played left but wanting a starting striker role. Cheech too was unhappy though he may have settled for being third choice with 2 up top. Maybe Welbeck too.

Falcao was just a bonus/panic/Oppurtunity signing made at the end as he became available at lesser price after the first few games. Dunno how he fits into the plan now.

 

[Loublaze]

Yeah, the rumor has been that Van Gaal told Welbeck and Cheech that they would be possibly behind Januzaj in this system and Wilson soon. That's when they decided to both leave as Welbeck was as it is causing commotion from last season not happy being played left but wanting a starting striker role. Cheech too was unhappy though he may have settled for being third choice with 2 up top. Maybe Welbeck too.

Falcao was just a bonus/panic/Oppurtunity signing made at the end as he became available at lesser price after the first few games. Dunno how he fits into the plan now.

Tbh if I was Welbeck or Hernandez i'd leave too. Its enough trying to break in when you're behind undroppable players like RVP and Rooney only to be told you're behind two teenagers as well, one with only one season under his belt and the other who hasn't even started and played a full single competitive game in his career. I'd be straight pissed

 

[JPRouve]

Tbh if I was Welbeck or Hernandez i'd leave too. Its enough trying to break in when you're behind undroppable players like RVP and Rooney only to be told you're behind two teenagers as well, one with only one season under his belt and the other who hasn't even started and played a full single competitive game in his career. I'd be straight pissed

That's football, Welbeck and Hernandez put Berbatov in the stands too, even after his best season for us.

 

[Loublaze]

That's football, Welbeck and Hernandez put Berbatov in the stands too, even after his best season for us.

I get that, but that particular situation is more understandable because Berbatov was 31, and Fergie told him he wanted to play a faster counter attacking style which didn't suit the player.

 

[orangeboom999]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/football/article4195400.ece

 

[LR7]

In the latest UWS, it says that while Wilson is extremely eager to impress LVG and get into the first team, Giggs and Warren Joyce are doing all they can to keep the lad's feet on the ground

I don't find this surprising. After the MSC final against City last month where he scored four, in the post match interview Warren Joyce was very keen to keep a lid on the excitement and simply said:
"He's got a lot of things he has still got to work on. There are things; technically and tactically, he's naive on. He is still a young boy with a lot of natural talent. There are a lot of things he can still improve on but he wants to do that and he can do it this year."

He obviously doesn't want him to get carried away in the inevitable hype, understandably.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/football/article4195400.ece

And people keep saying were came out badly on this deal, and are ruining what the club stands for by selling him.

Facts are unless Welbeck re invented himself in another position he never stood a chance of playing this season.

Wilson's promotion is well deserved, he could flop, he could be fantastic, but we have to give him his chance in the first team, like we did Welbeck.

 

[Sweet Square]

That story has been circulating a lot, many people saying they got the inside information but no one is revealing their 'sources'. It sounds like some made up shit to me. It doesn't make sense, how can a player without a full first team appearance be above a more experienced and still young player in the perking order? Is it based on training and reserve team games? Its bullocks and truly worrying if true.

It's not worrying at all. Van Gaal talks all the time about players using their heads more than just their feet, Van Gaal philosophy is not just how to play on the pitch but how to think on the pitch.

When players talk about the great Barca team a few years(sadly it's mainly United talking about it)they say the hardest part of playing them is the mental tiredness,the fact that you have always to keep alert all the time,there's no rest inside your head because they always have the ball. That will hurt your legs more than the running.

Experience is at times just a build up of past information(I understand by now this is all starting to sound a bit silly). So while a player who has 250 appearances will know more possibilities of could happen on the pitch that doesn't mean he know the best way to effect the game in his favour. Also it completely natural that with experience come routine and we've seen at times players get stuck in routines and are just unable to get out of them(I think that it's one of the biggest problems at United at the moment)

Last season Welbeck's chance against Bayren where he tired to chip Neuer was a example of not be able to think on the pitch.No amount of experience would of helped because there was no thinking process just sheer panic(Although I can't blame)

Now that's not to if it had anyone else they would of scored(Neuer was and still is the best keeper in the world)but it would pretty certain that only a low percentage of players would've gone for the chip.It's being mention before with Danny(As well with other players at United)that he's his at best when it's instinct and that's he's a worst when he's got time.

Experience is still a vital part of building a player but to use it you still need the simply foundations and simply being able to think on the pitch is one of them.

 

[Ibi Dreams]

Out of curiosity, does anyone remember what Welbeck's finishing was like when he was in the youth teams? I know Wilson's finishing is one of his strongest assets and Welbeck is consistently criticised for his ability to put the ball in the net, would be interested to hear what Welbeck was like in this respect when he was a youngster

 

[Loublaze]

It's not worrying at all. Van Gaal talks all the time about players using their heads more than just their feet, Van Gaal philosophy is not just how to play on the pitch but how to think on the pitch.

When players talk about the great Barca team a few years(sadly it's mainly United talking about it)they say the hardest part of playing them is the mental tiredness,the fact that you have always to keep alert all the time,there's no rest inside your head because they always have the ball. That will hurt your legs more than the running.

Experience is at times just a build up of past information(I understand by now this is all starting to sound a bit silly). So while a player who has 250 appearances will know more possibilities of could happen on the pitch that doesn't mean he know the best way to effect the game in his favour. Also it completely natural that with experience come routine and we've seen at times players get stuck in routines and are just unable to get out of them(I think that it's one of the biggest problems at United at the moment)

Last season Welbeck's chance against Bayren where he tired to chip Neuer was a example of not be able to think on the pitch.No amount of experience would of helped because there was no thinking process just sheer panic(Although I can't blame)

Now that's not to if it had anyone else they would of scored(Neuer was and still is the best keeper in the world)but it would pretty certain that only a low percentage of players would've gone for the chip.It's being mention before with Danny(As well with other players at United)that he's his at best when it's instinct and that's he's a worst when he's got time.

Experience is still a vital part of building a player but to use it you still need the simply foundations and simply being able to think on the pitch is one of them.

This is not a great example. Top players have missed chances like that. He made the wrong decision, you're putting way more into it, like he lacks football intelligence. I get the point you're making about instinct and time, but Welbeck has shown before that he can score in both situations (instinctive and with time). In my opinion the only remedy to that is more game time (it worked for Sturridge), and im sure we'll see a different Welbeck at Arsenal.

 

[Elliott]

Out of curiosity, does anyone remember what Welbeck's finishing was like when he was in the youth teams? I know Wilson's finishing is one of his strongest assets and Welbeck is consistently criticised for his ability to put the ball in the net, would be interested to hear what Welbeck was like in this respect when he was a youngster

Welbeck was a decent enough finisher in his youth team days. It was never his defining quality; he'd miss a few sitters but he scored some absolute stunners as well.

 

[Sweet Square]

This is not a great example. Top players have missed chances like that. He made the wrong decision, you're putting way more into it, like he lacks football intelligence. I get the point you're making about instinct and time, but Welbeck has shown before that he can score in both situations (instinctive and with time). In my opinion the only remedy to that is more game time (it worked for Sturridge), and im sure we'll see a different Welbeck at Arsenal.

The example was more the fact he tried to chip Neuer,the attempt was from sheer panic.Your right lots of great players miss chance it how Danny miss it that was my point it was the approach that was the problem not the fact he missed. .

As football 'intelligence'(I think there's a difference between thinking a certain way on the pitch and football 'intelligence' it's clear Danny has that.

But as you said we will have to wait and see.

 

[Loublaze]

The example was more the fact he tried to chip Neuer,the attempt was from sheer panic.Your right lots of great players miss chance it how Danny miss it that was my point it was the approach that was the problem not the fact he missed. .

As football 'intelligence'(I think there's a difference between thinking a certain way on the pitch and football 'intelligence' it's clear Danny has that.

But as you said we will have to wait and see.

No one thought world class Torres would have so many comedy misses, some worse than Welbecks miss. Are you suggesting by use of that example , that LVG might have looked at something like that to help make his mind up about the player's position of importance to the team?

 

[Sweet Square]

No one thought world class Torres would have so many comedy misses, some worse than Welbecks miss. Are you suggesting by use of that example , that LVG might have looked at something like that to help make his mind up about the player's position of importance to the team?

No I'don't think LVG would of have looked at it at all. It was just an example of a player in pressure situation not thinking football. The only reason I picked Welbeck was because it was the first one I could think of.

Anyway it's starting to go way of topic.

 

[gooDevil]

I don't find this surprising. After the MSC final against City last month where he scored four, in the post match interview Warren Joyce was very keen to keep a lid on the excitement and simply said:
"He's got a lot of things he has still got to work on. There are things; technically and tactically, he's naive on. He is still a young boy with a lot of natural talent. There are a lot of things he can still improve on but he wants to do that and he can do it this year."

He obviously doesn't want him to get carried away in the inevitable hype, understandably.

Joyce in right too.

There will be a big learning curve stepping up to the big show, but he's ready for the trial by fire.

 

[orangeboom999]

What a strike force to learn from. Seriously. This kid has got some talent and he has got such an opportunity! Hopefully he takes a page out of Ronnie's book and works his are off. Danny's problem has always been composure. I think that's the difference between the two really and that has to be the reason Danny has been moved on IMO.

 

[UnitedBoy]

Scoring / finishing is a habit, the more you do it, thé eaaier it becomes to score. Long spells or welbecks match time seen him out wide not as often getting into this habit proving very difficult to get back. Wilson however, has been scoring for fun in recent times, he has a variety of good assets which put him in good stead to lead our line eventually. One thing I hope doesn't happen is management messing around with his position. Play him Striker or don't. But in terms of learning off his team mates, I Darby thinnk of the product combining roon Persie and falcao

 

[RedStarUnited]

Always felt we could do with him going to Spain/Portugal and get some serious game time. If he progresses well, a spot in the first team is there for him when he is 21/22. Can he wait that long?

Great Video of him from last season. His dribbling and close control is excellent.

 

[In Rainbows]

You never know, even a world class player needs the right sort of team to get the best out of them, they also need a bit of luck and few injuries.

I'm probably a touch over-excited, but he's by far the most impressive youth player I've seen in my time following them (about 5 years).

He's not mental like Morrison, one of my favorite things about Wilson is that he plays with joy, always a smile on his face. And when he scores it's just a bigger smile and high fives, no biggie.

You can't teach the finishing touch he has, you can't teach that agility.

How many youth strikers can drive through half a defense from the midline and then calmly go around the striker and tap it in?

Not saying he'll do that regularly against the top teams, but he ha so much to his game.

As much as I like Januzaj I think he didn't look that dominant in the reserves.

Januzaj did look that dominant in the reserves. Januzaj was consistently looking like the best player on the pitch every match. It didn't matter if he didn't score, his touch, intelligence, and creativity was on display all the time. Wilson didn't have that effect because as a striker he needs service at times. Sometimes he would have a quiet game because he was isolated up front and the rest of the team wasn't offering anything. Januzaj on the other hand always looked for the ball as he's an attacking midfielder and so always looked to influence the match. Januzaj only looked like a scorer in the blue stars and dallas cup youth tournaments.

Wilson had by far the better end product, naturally as a striker, and also had some magical goals.

That's what makes me excited about Wilson. It's not only the rate at which he scores, it's the type of goals he scores. He had some unbelievable solo runs that finished in a goal, and he had some great strikes from distance. He's a natural when it comes to striking the ball.

 

[gooDevil]

Januzaj did look that dominant in the reserves. Januzaj was consistently looking like the best player on the pitch every match. It didn't matter if he didn't score, his touch, intelligence, and creativity was on display all the time. Wilson didn't have that effect because as a striker he needs service at times. Sometimes he would have a quiet game because he was isolated up front and the rest of the team wasn't offering anything. Januzaj on the other hand always looked for the ball as he's an attacking midfielder and so always looked to influence the match. Januzaj only looked like a scorer in the blue stars and dallas cup youth tournaments.

Wilson had by far the better end product, naturally as a striker, and also had some magical goals.

That's what makes me excited about Wilson. It's not only the rate at which he scores, it's the type of goals he scores. He had some unbelievable solo runs that finished in a goal, and he had some great strikes from distance. He's a natural when it comes to striking the ball.

Doesn't change my opinion, and not a knock on Januzaj I thought he was very good in the reserves.

 

[Decotron]

Welbeck was a decent enough finisher in his youth team days. It was never his defining quality; he'd miss a few sitters but he scored some absolute stunners as well.

I was gona say something similar. Campbell was more accomplished at finishing as was Kiko at the time.

I think Wilson (injuries permitting) will go on to eclipse all of them.

Whats the story with him at the moment, fit or not?

 

[FromTheBench]

So now almost all paper carrying presumably a brief that he was one of the major reasons to let Welbeck go or why he left.

Been promoted to the first team squad and LVG rates him highly.

 

[In Rainbows]

I was gona say something similar. Campbell was more accomplished at finishing as was Kiko at the time.

I think Wilson (injuries permitting) will go on to eclipse all of them.

Whats the story with him at the moment, fit or not?

Supposedly he was injured right before Burnley.

 

[FromTheBench]

Supposedly he was injured right before Burnley.

Again ? Thought he had withdrawn for the England u20 squad anyway. His knack of picking up so many injuries is most worrying aspect.

 

[Relevated]

Again ? Thought he had withdrawn for the England u20 squad anyway. His knack of picking up so many injuries is most worrying aspect.

He'll be okay when hes older, hopefully. Kids get loads of injuries.

 

[limerickcitykid]

The main thing with these injuries is not to push him and rush him back. There were a few of the U21 matches at the end of last year where he looked visibly uncomfortable at times and I was a bit disappointed we had him out there tbh. I know Michael Owen has talked about if he was allowed to rest more as a young player he would have been able to last at a high level for much longer. However he was such a vital player he was forced to play through the injuries and it fecked him up before he even hit his prime. With how many knocks Wilson seems to pick up we should be wrapping him in cotton wool and making sure he fully gets over them. He has got loads of time and there is no point risking serious damage in the long-term. Hopefully we have the best staff to handle him in the best way possible.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Is there a recurring theme with his injuries? Muscle strains/tears or bumps and bruises?

 

[Acquire Me]

This kid is amazing. I am happy his our 4th striker now.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

This is not a great example. Top players have missed chances like that. He made the wrong decision, you're putting way more into it, like he lacks football intelligence. I get the point you're making about instinct and time, but Welbeck has shown before that he can score in both situations (instinctive and with time). In my opinion the only remedy to that is more game time (it worked for Sturridge), and im sure we'll see a different Welbeck at Arsenal.

I read yesterday (sorry not sure where – maybe here) that Utd had done their research on Neuer for that match and identified that he likes to spread himself Schmeichel-style in one-on-ones. Apparently they briefed Welbeck on this, saying that in a one on one with Neuer he should keep it on the ground rather than chip or loft it. He got in the one on one and tried a chip....

 

[SambaBoy]

The lad will learn a great amount of RvP, Rooney and now Falcao. When you consider the age of them strikers, it's probably ideal for Wilson to break through in 1-2 years. He will most likely be coming of the bench in the next year and a half, so maybe a loan move is needed for him.

If we do loan him out, we need to weigh up who to and insert some clauses. A loan move can make or break a player and with a kid this talented, we need to do everything to help him fulfill his potential. Macheda was thought of as a massive talent but a few bad loan moves i.e. QPR and Sampdoria and he didn't look as good and his career stagnated. Maybe it was a case of he was never going to be good enough but I very much doubt them loan moves helped him.

In contrast, Welbeck went to PNE played frequently and looked impressive, he then went to Sunderland where he agreed with Bruce that if he was fit, he had to play and this is when they had quite a strong forward line. He played a whole season for them, improved, scored some goals and came back to United being able to challenge for a first team spot.