[RedStarUnited]

I read yesterday (sorry not sure where – maybe here) that Utd had done their research on Neuer for that match and identified that he likes to spread himself Schmeichel-style in one-on-ones. Apparently they briefed Welbeck on this, saying that in a one on one with Neuer he should keep it on the ground rather than chip or loft it. He got in the one on one and tried a chip....

If that's true, then wow, very interesting. Also the chip he tried was awful.

The lad will learn a great amount of RvP, Rooney and now Falcao. When you consider the age of them strikers, it's probably ideal for Wilson to break through in 1-2 years. He will most likely be coming of the bench in the next year and a half, so maybe a loan move is needed for him.

If we do loan him out, we need to weigh up who to and insert some clauses. A loan move can make or break a player and with a kid this talented, we need to do everything to help him fulfill his potential. Macheda was thought of as a massive talent but a few bad loan moves i.e. QPR and Sampdoria and he didn't look as good and his career stagnated. Maybe it was a case of he was never going to be good enough but I very much doubt them loan moves helped him.

In contrast, Welbeck went to PNE played frequently and looked impressive, he then went to Sunderland where he agreed with Bruce that if he was fit, he had to play and this is when they had quite a strong forward line. He played a whole season for them, improved, scored some goals and came back to United being able to challenge for a first team spot.

Very true on that. We wasted Rossi's loan opportunity by sending him to Newcastle who barely played him. Also, the style of play of the team we send him to should be important too.

 

[Sean_RedDevil]

If that's true, then wow, very interesting. Also the chip he tried was awful.

It's true. I think Andy Mitten has said that after Moyes was sacked....that Moyes was furious with Welbeck at half-time.

Welbeck has shown against Bayern Munich in both games that he isn't good enough as starting striker for us.

I really like Wilson and rate him higher than Welbeck after his debut against Stoke.

 

[Kounan]

It's true. I think Andy Mitten has said that after Moyes was sacked....that Moyes was furious with Welbeck at half-time.

Welbeck has shown against Bayern Munich in both games that he isn't good enough as starting striker for us.

I really like Wilson and rate him higher than Welbeck after his debut against Stoke.

The only thing the Bayern game has showed is that Rooney should have been playing at all for us. Second game horrible, horrible, missing a big chance and then blaming Welbeck for the pass and so on.....

 

[Sean_RedDevil]

The only thing the Bayern game has showed is that Rooney should have been playing at all for us. Second game horrible, missing a big chance and then blaming Welbeck for the pass and so on.....

Rooney should have never played....Moyes must make the decision.

But in Munich.....Welbeck must score the 2-1 for us and not pass to Rooney.....if he shoots on goal then the ball is in the net!!!!!!!

 

[Invictus]

The lad will learn a great amount of RvP, Rooney and now Falcao. When you consider the age of them strikers, it's probably ideal for Wilson to break through in 1-2 years. He will most likely be coming of the bench in the next year and a half, so maybe a loan move is needed for him.

If we do loan him out, we need to weigh up who to and insert some clauses. A loan move can make or break a player and with a kid this talented, we need to do everything to help him fulfill his potential. Macheda was thought of as a massive talent but a few bad loan moves i.e. QPR and Sampdoria and he didn't look as good and his career stagnated. Maybe it was a case of he was never going to be good enough but I very much doubt them loan moves helped him.

In contrast, Welbeck went to PNE played frequently and looked impressive, he then went to Sunderland where he agreed with Bruce that if he was fit, he had to play and this is when they had quite a strong forward line. He played a whole season for them, improved, scored some goals and came back to United being able to challenge for a first team spot.

IMO we have the perfect window of opportunity under the current manager to consider loaning some of the kids to Eredivisie teams - specifically the trio of Ajax, Feyenoord or PSV. Smaller league so some of our more gifted ones will get plenty of time, European experience plus the chance to further their education at some wonderful schools of football. I'd really like to see Wilson at Ajax. They don't have an abundance of strikers so he may get some game time and then gradually establish himself as a first team starter. A couple of years there would do him real good and be less strenuous on his body than being thrown to the wolves in the Premier League at age 18. He's still a bit wiry and has a history of getting injured. Learning from Falcao, Robin, Wayne is great but it can't compensate to relatively less playing time.

 

[Sean_RedDevil]

IMO we have the perfect window of opportunity under the current manager to consider loaning some of the kids to Eredivisie teams - specifically the trio of Ajax, Feyenoord or PSV. Smaller league so some of our more gifted ones will get plenty of time, European experience plus the chance to further their education at some wonderful schools of football. I'd really like to see Wilson at Ajax. They don't have an abundance of strikers so he may get some game time and then gradually establish himself as a first team starter. A couple of years there would do him real good and be less strenuous on his body than being thrown to the wolves in the Premier League at age 18. He's still a bit wiry and has a history of getting injured. Learning from Falcao, Robin, Wayne is great but it can't compensate to relatively less playing time.

Eeehh we can't loan Wilson or someone else to Eredivisie clubs now

Plus i think this clubs (Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord) have their own kids
Twente, Vitesse or Heerenveen is more possible i reckon

 

[Maroo]

IMO we have the perfect window of opportunity under the current manager to consider loaning some of the kids to Eredivisie teams - specifically the trio of Ajax, Feyenoord or PSV. Smaller league so some of our more gifted ones will get plenty of time, European experience plus the chance to further their education at some wonderful schools of football. I'd really like to see Wilson at Ajax. They don't have an abundance of strikers so he may get some game time and then gradually establish himself as a first team starter. A couple of years there would do him real good and be less strenuous on his body than being thrown to the wolves in the Premier League at age 18. He's still a bit wiry and has a history of getting injured. Learning from Falcao, Robin, Wayne is great but it can't compensate to relatively less playing time.

Roger that, I think thats a good suggestion especially with the track record that Dutch clubs have of developing youngsters.

 

[MTR]

Eeehh we can't loan Wilson or someone else to Eredivisie clubs now

Plus i think this clubs (Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord) have their own kids
Twente, Vitesse or Heerenveen is more possible i reckon

Ajax best striker is 17-year old Dutchman and their second best is 20-years old Pole loaned from Leverkusen. He would be automatic starter for them. Also Feyenoord sold Pelle so they have big hole in attack. Only PSV is definitely not for Wilson.

Of course Ajax still has that Iceland guy - Kolbeinn Sigsomething, but he's constantly injured anyway...

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I read yesterday (sorry not sure where – maybe here) that Utd had done their research on Neuer for that match and identified that he likes to spread himself Schmeichel-style in one-on-ones. Apparently they briefed Welbeck on this, saying that in a one on one with Neuer he should keep it on the ground rather than chip or loft it. He got in the one on one and tried a chip....

What kind of eejit would try and chip Neuer anyway?

 

[MTR]

What kind of eejit would try and chip Neuer anyway?

That's Weidenfeller.

 

[Invictus]

Eeehh we can't loan Wilson or someone else to Eredivisie clubs now

Plus i think this clubs (Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord) have their own kids
Twente, Vitesse or Heerenveen is more possible i reckon

Umm I was thinking Ajax more because of the Van Gaal connection and his close friendship with De Boer plus Edwin being a director helps. They do take in kids from other clubs from time to time - Barcelona more so than others. We could have a similar working relationship with them. Send some of our promising ones out, help with the talent drain that Ajax suffer from each window (right now they have a deficiency of strikers hence Wilson would benefit) while only asking for progression of the players in return. Not entirely convinced with the benefits of sending our youngsters to some place like Vitesse TBH. I dunno what their core beliefs wrt education are because none of Chelsea's loanees have managed to benefit in the long term. Yeah now is a bit late but it could be done in say December. Anyway just something I'd like to see, not sure if it's even plausible..

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You sure? Was Neuer subbed off? He was definitely in goal when Lamela scored?

 

[MTR]

You sure? Was Neuer subbed off? He was definitely in goal when Lamela scored?

Lamela scored in 1st half and this is 2nd half. Weidenfeller it is.

http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/819236/Live

 

[lem8sh]

Weidenfellers first two touches were to pick it out of the net.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Feck. Neuer's such an unbeatable cnut, I liked the idea of him shipping four.

 

[Cooksen]

Feck. Neuer's such an unbeatable cnut, I liked the idea of him shipping four.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–11_UEFA_Champions_League_knockout_phase#Manchester_United_v_Schalke_04

Been there Done that.

 

[Rednotdead]

Re people talking about loaning Wilson out, that's clearly not on the agenda. Van Gaal regards him as 4th choice striker, which is why Welbeck was allowed to go. Wilson will get some games - probably FA Cup and maybe the odd league game against weak opposition.

 

[Nanotron]

What kind of eejit would try and chip Neuer anyway?

That's Weidenfeller.

Burn

 

[orangeboom999]

Re people talking about loaning Wilson out, that's clearly not on the agenda. Van Gaal regards him as 4th choice striker, which is why Welbeck was allowed to go. Wilson will get some games - probably FA Cup and maybe the odd league game against weak opposition.

He will definately get some league minutes IMO. With the injury records of Rooney and RVP alone he is likely to be used in at least 6-10 games I reckon. On their current form I wouldn't put it past him keeping one of them out of the team either if he does well.

 

[Rednotdead]

He will definately get some league minutes IMO. With the injury records of Rooney and RVP alone he is likely to be used in at least 6-10 games I reckon. On their current form I wouldn't put it past him keeping one of them out of the team either if he does well.

Yes, true. The presence of Falcao and Wilson will concentrate their minds. Welbeck wasn't really competition as a striker.

 

[FromTheBench]

It's true. I think Andy Mitten has said that after Moyes was sacked....that Moyes was furious with Welbeck at half-time.

Welbeck has shown against Bayern Munich in both games that he isn't good enough as starting striker for us.

Van Persie vs Madrid missed probably more pretty good chances the season before.

 

[Rednotdead]

Van Persie vs Madrid missed probably more pretty good chances the season before.

Yes, but Van Persie is a proven striker. Welbeck was never close to his standard as a finisher.

 

[santeria13]

Nice compilation but the music is terrible. Is it ever not?

His dribbling/technical ability is also much better than I had envisaged. He runs past defenders for fun.

That run at 2:09

 

[Sammyjunn]

Nice compilation but the music is terrible. Is it ever not?

His dribbling/technical ability is also much better than I had envisaged. He runs past defenders for fun.

Are we sure he's not a winger?

 

[santeria13]

Are we sure he's not a winger?

He could certainly do a brilliant job as a wide forward in a 4-3-3 IMO.

 

[Rossa]

Looks to have a remarkable close control!

 

[Fazer]

Looking at that video, we could stick him on the right wing and he would instantly
provide a more potent threat than Valencia.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Believe he is the best young prospect for a while- fast, strong, two-footed, powerful shot, fantastic close control, vision, calm. Will be a star one day, hopefully.

 

[Lou-is Red]

He could certainly do a brilliant job as a wide forward in a 4-3-3 IMO.

then you lose is poaching threat

 

[Verminator]

then you lose is poaching threat

I wouldn't class him as a poacher. He would ne ideally suited wide in a front three IMO.

 

[Widnes]

I wouldn't class him as a poacher. He would ne ideally suited wide in a front three IMO.

I think he will be better as the centre forward eventually but obviously a lot of competition there at the moment, If we do start playing a 433 then the wide forward role might give him some chances at first team level.

 

[Verminator]

I think he will be better as the centre forward eventually but obviously a lot of competition there at the moment, If we do start playing a 433 then the wide forward role might give him some chances at first team level.

Can't see him leading the line, he does better running with the ball, rather than finding space in the box.

 

[Joemo]

I could see him playing the role that Robben played in Holland's 352 formation and relaly using his acceleration to start from deep.

 

[Dante]

He'd do well in the Pedro role, using his pace out wide and popping up at the back post.

 

[In Rainbows]

I wouldn't class him as a poacher. He would ne ideally suited wide in a front three IMO.

It's not so much that he's a poacher, but he's not going to get as many scoring chances out wide as he would centrally. That's a waste of his finishing ability.

 

[FromTheBench]

Can't see him leading the line, he does better running with the ball, rather than finding space in the box.

His instincts in the box are very good. Almost similar to peak RVP where he pounces on a oppurtinity with his left foot or even his head. (See his first goal that he scored on debut.) Don't think he can lead the line alone right now though at that level so playing with a partner up top would be better for him. Infact, partnering him with one of our 3 strikers is the best spot for him in a front 2.

He can play a Wide forward role in a 4-3-3 but again don't think there he would contribute that much in general play as of now.

 

[Verminator]

Nah. He's more Sanchez/Messi than RVP/Chicharito. (Not in ability terms, yet!)

 

[Dante]

Are we doing the comparison thing again?

I'm sticking with Liverpool era Fernando Torres.

 

[PedroMendez]

Nah. He's more Sanchez/Messi than RVP/Chicharito. (Not in ability terms, yet!)

 

[In Rainbows]

Can't see him leading the line, he does better running with the ball, rather than finding space in the box.

What? That's where he's excelled for the youth teams. It's like you're ignoring everything he's done as a striker for the youth team.