I think we will not do further business with those Madrid cnuts.
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That's a very narrow minded position, like it or not they're one of the great clubs of the world and one of the most likely to be involved in transfer of great players (both buying and selling).
If they ask for a reasonable price for James, why shouldn't we do business with them?
This would be a class signing in my opinion,him or Dembele and a DMC and we will fcuk shit up.
United really should go for James. He's a brilliant player, still young, wouldn't be too expensive, he would add creativity, goals and you'd finally have someone who can take a proper corner.
James + Fabinho + a left back would be ideal imo. I also don't understand why plenty of people here aren't really concerned about getting a new left back but that's for another thread.
James + Fabinho + a left back would be ideal imo. I also don't understand why plenty of people here aren't really concerned about getting a new left back but that's for another thread.
That's the problem though really, they don't ask reasonable prices, and rarely seem to have any serious intention of actually conducting reasonable business. I fully understand they should look to cut the best deal for themselves, but the way they treat other clubs simply to indulge their own interests leaves a bad taste for me. I find them to be the most underhand, sly and untrustworthy club you could ever have the misfortune of dealing with, and i am definitely in the camp of having as limited dealings with them as possible.
James is class and i would love him at OT, but it would simply be too much hassle dealing with them. Morata situation is similar to James, they seem to have very little interest in playing him, yet they don't seem to want anyone else to potentially benefit from them. Very childish mentality. If we were in for Morata as it seemed, i am delighted with how we dealt with it, we simply moved on and left Perez and Zidane to justify to Morata why they have decided to scupper his chance of a potential big move, when they don't really want him and are still seeking to buy Mbappe at the first opportunity. I'll bet that was the last thing they were expecting us to do, now they will have to find some other mug to overpay for unwanted players and help fund their summer interests, or be stuck with an unhappy player.
If they lack class and consideration even for one of their own, what hope have the rest of us of a fair deal?
I think many are assuming that Mourinho is building his usual lopsided backline and that Darmian/Blind will probably continue as conservative options at left back while Perisic stretches the play on that flank. An attacking rightback to rotate with Valencia seems like a more-likely signing to me. We don't appear to be interested in James, but I suppose that might change as deadline day draws closer...
Morata was their second highest goalscorer last season and they'd be more than happy to keep him. He isn't some unwanted irrelevant player that never plays and he's clearly not unhappy enough to force the move since he never claimed he wants to leave. They asked for a reasonable price considering the lack of top strikers on the market, United felt Lukaku would be better so they went with him. I don't get why so many United fans seem to be mad at how Real negotiated.
We most certainly will, even as soon as this month possibly. To say otherwise is just silly.
I never said he was irrelevant, and i never said he never plays. He is not first choice, he wants more games, and he was definitely interested in moving to Utd.
What price did they definitively ask for by the way? 3/4 weeks of bollocks and i have heard everything from 60m up to 90m. Im glad we ended our interest, if we had agreed 70m they would let us think it was done for a week and then try for 80m, which is what i read in some reports. I don't know whether it was connected or not, but that last report coincided with us ending any interest. Feel for Morata though, he has been passed from pillar to post so far during his career, and Madrid can't seem to make up their mind whether they want him, or just don't want others to have him.
We'll see how unhappy Morata is when Madrid shunt him further down the pecking order in favor of Mbappe, the latest shiniest new toy for Perez to tickle his nuts over.
Why as soon as this month?
I get the impression they don't really want to sell Morata, whereas James is being pushed out one way or another.
Obviously the whole thing depends on them asking a reasonable price for James. We'll see if they do that or not...
It seems to be that James wants to leave but only to a handful of teams.
For James. Not saying it's likely, but it is possible.
This is a business, and these corporations deal in $£€ not some abstract notions of fans' allegiances.
Yet, they still seemed willing to sell Morata though. No-one is forcing their hand, they could just say not for sale and have done with it. But again, i don't think Perez knows what he wants, he probably doesn't want to sell Morata, but at the same time he will be unable to resist the allure of Mbappe. Perez just a spoilt greedy fecker who continually wants to have his cake and eat it too.
As for James I'd love him here, but i just can't see any dealings with Madrid being anything other than a ballache and resulting in us being pissed about and then ripped off to fund shiny new toys.
So? Who said it wasn't? Business can still be conducted reasonably, and the idea is surely trade for a mutual gain or at least a benefit for both parties, is it not? Yet whether buying or selling Madrid want everything done their way and for their own benefit, and they have little interest in considering anything or anyone else. FWIW i would love James, but just don't see them offering to do any reasonable business, they will simply use us as an opportunity to generate as much cash as possible to help fund Mbappe move.
To be fair to Perez, you can say he was unreasonable with the fee he expected, but by according to most source, he merely stood firm on that unreasonable price - EUR90m.
If Chelsea end up paying it, you can argue he did his job well.
James is more of a playmaker, griezmann more of a scorer. Think at their respective best they're on roughly on the same level
What's the problem with Real Madrid? Apparently Lukaku was our target all along (think smokescreen) and so we were the ones holding the supposed Morata transfer up. Real Madrid should be the ones who have a grievance with us, as we were stringing them along.
I don't think it was that simple, we were clearly interested and made multiple bids at what we believed to be exceeding fair market value. They stood firm on selling their sub at a top 5 transfer fee in history.
The 2 clubs just didn't agree on the valuation, no one wronged the other club.
Don't think that is the case though. I suspect we were after both. Lukaku said in his interview that Jose called him a few times to talk about the move. Reports also say he called Morata a few times to talk about the move too. Think if Real were willing to come down from their price,meet us halfway and let a player who wants first team football leave, Morata could well be on that plane to LA to meet up with his new striker partner.
I think that if Madrid offered us Morata for 60 million, we would have taken it. The impression I get is that Madrid wanted 70+ million, to which we said, we can just buy Lukaku for that same amount, who is PL proven. I think Madrid shot themselves in the foot.
Yep totally agree, from Madrid's perspective. Yet more objectively, it could be argued that by making such unreasonable demands he has already cost them securing one potential deal.
Something is only worth what another is willing to pay. Therefore the more unreasonable the demand, the smaller the potential market and the less likely it will be finding a convincing enough justification to any interested party. People know when they are being ripped off, so if Chelsea are fool enough to give in to his demands, then great for Perez, but if they don't he is really only worsening the situation as opposed to finding a more satisfying conclusion for all involved.
Can't see Zidane being over the moon with this situation either, he will surely want his squad determined one way or another and asap. This ongoing uncertainty around potential in's and out's must be having an affect upon his own preparations for next season.
Add Morata and James to this growing list of increasingly dissatisfied participants in Perez's games, and he is not really doing anyone any favors so far. Even offering these players new deals and new assurances doesn't appear a very feasible conclusion in these cases. Both players now know for certain Madrid are willing to sell them, and only Perez's unreasonable valuations and stubborn stance is standing between them completing moves to clubs actually interested in playing them.
Agree with all of that, i have a bad feeling Chelsea will end up funding their Mbappe bid and Perez will look like a genius for holding firm.
Chelsea are the only logical buyer left for Morata. They should turn the screws on Real if anything. Not a dime above 70 m.Agree with all of that, i have a bad feeling Chelsea will end up funding their Mbappe bid and Perez will look like a genius for holding firm.
Agree with all of that, i have a bad feeling Chelsea will end up funding their Mbappe bid and Perez will look like a genius for holding firm.
Yeah, definitely looking that way, unfortunately.
Personally, i feel Perez will be now licking his lips at the potential prospect of benefiting from Chelsea's ever worsening striking issues. Costa allegedly prepared to rejoin Atletico and sit it out till January. On top of that, now they have also missed out spectacularly on Lukaku, probably to most people's surprise, especially after it was widely believed to be all sewn up. Even the Bakayoko deal has stalled for whatever reason, which won't really help matters.
Understandably, Chelsea fans will be far from happy and extremely disappointed with events so far, and yet they probably look positively cheery in comparison to Conti's expression. No doubt the pressure will be growing on Chelsea's CEO to make that marquee signing and appease this growing concern. If Chelsea's situation had been more positive for them thus far, i think there may have been benefit to Chelsea sitting firm and letting the uncertainty at Madrid build some pressure on Perez. But with the situation as it is, Chelsea do look under far more pressure to get something sorted quickly, than Perez.
Nothing in that to convince me any more than any other link we have seen previously. Looks like they have simply reaffirmed previously stated speculation and renewed it in the light of Rooney's recent departure.
Saying that would love it to be true, think James is a top player, and i believe he would be great for us. Unfortunately just nothing more there for me to increase my optimism of it actually happening.
I'd love us to buy him, I think he'd be great in the PL
Really think we need this guy if we go 4-2-3-1. Mata is too weak and not fast enough to play in the centre. Don't think Mkhi gets the tempo right for the middle of the park; we should stick him to the periphery, where he can use his 'blistering' pace.
Thinks James would work better with Lukaku than Griezmann would. Griezmann is more of a goalscorer so would work better with a striker who can help him out e.g. Morata. James is more of a conventional ten so would work better with someone who is more greedy e.g. Lukaku.
Thinks James would work better with Lukaku than Griezmann would. Griezmann is more of a goalscorer so would work better with a striker who can help him out e.g. Morata. James is more of a conventional ten so would work better with someone who is more greedy e.g. Lukaku.
Does this source the Independent too?
Yes.
I severely doubt we will sign him unless we sell one of Micky and Mata.
Can't see Real playing ball with us and we really should avoid dealing with them, James will go PSG
PSG doesn't seem to want him and Real doesn't seem to want to keep him
Not really interested in him. A little overrated and tricky to fit into our squad. Has PSG signing written all over him.
We should focus on getting the best out of Miki, he's better suited to the team, the boss and the league, and he's probably the better player too.
We should focus on getting the best out of Miki, he's better suited to the team, the boss and the league, and he's probably the better player too.
After Lindelof and Lukaku can't we just assume that the press know nothing and we're keeping cards very close to chest?
This. Do not want.
If we wanted this guy he would have been in the plane today, he's trying to leave Madrid for 2-3 years.
He's a good player, but we already have good players in his position.
He's a good player, but we already have good players in his position.
A lot less people were saying this when Griezmann was coming.
Lindelof had been rumored since January and Lukaku seems to have been possible only cos Chelsea were unwilling to stuff the mozzarella in Raiola's focacciaAfter Lindelof and Lukaku can't we just assume that the press know nothing and we're keeping cards very close to chest?
He is much better than Mata who is the only player we have in his position.
Spanish reports have him completing a move to PSG this week. We will see I suppose.
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