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James Rodriguez - should we go for him?

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Herrera is the only midfeilder who's energy and high press makes us a proactive side and dominate the opposition midfeild. Pogba is not good enough. He is not scholes who can maintain midfeild control and letting ball winning job on just one midfeild will be huge pressure on anyone , they don't make Roy Keane's and vieras anymore.

It's a disgrace to bench herrera for a soft boy toy. Herrera is the only one good enough to be the captain material in this team.

Playing reactive counter attacking football will never let us dominate against better philosophies.
You are correct about Herrera except for one thing, no consistency. He will have a great game then 5/6 average ones. No doubt I want him to be captain, he has the heart and with better players upfront scoring goals his contribution will be appreciated more. I'm so pissed off after that Chelsea performance that the team has not gotten near that type of performance since. We have been really shit to be fair and although Herrara has been ok he is still as responsible as the rest.
 
Nope we won't have any midfeild control against top sides In the league against complete philosophies.
He can always change to 3 in midfield for the 'big' games, James has plenty of experience playing wide too. But generally I think Mourinho wants to play 4-2-3-1.
 
You are correct about Herrera except for one thing, no consistency. He will have a great game then 5/6 average ones. No doubt I want him to be captain, he has the heart and with better players upfront scoring goals his contribution will be appreciated more. I'm so pissed off after that Chelsea performance that the team has not gotten near that type of performance since. We have been really shit to be fair and although Herrara has been ok he is still as responsible as the rest.

Agree with your point about Herrera. Although it probably won't be the popular opinion on here. I don't agree with the poster above that saying Pogba isn't good enough though, that's just stupid IMO.
 
That kinda proves the point that quality technical ability is more valuable here because that unlocks defenses easier. In La Liga the season where Real Madrid scored an absurd amount of goals was under Mourinho, when they played a super quick pace of counter attacking football that worked wonders there, just saying

Technicality alone is of no use against deep defensive and counter attacking teams.

United have had pace on the wings throughout our history. This league demands pace to get in behind defenses.
 
Pogba not good enough because he's not Scholes :lol: He's our most important player, our best passer, and our main creative outlet. Scores above average on defensive stats too.
 
James scores goals, is good at set pieces (which let's be honest, we are terrible at) and has good creativity. We have really missed that this season. The down part to this signing is that I cannot see us signing Griezmann now as i'm unsure how that would work with both of them in the side. Maybe Jose's comments a few weeks ago about only wanting players who want to come here was a side swipe at Griezmann.
Greizmann doesn't have many options as I can't see Athletico turning down big bucks so he can sign for Barca or Juventus. Who will pay more than 85 for him? United, Real, City probably. Barca, PSG, Juventus maybe. Chelsea, Bayern, where ever Moyes rolls up, very unlikely.
 
I would absolutely take him for the €50 million I've seen quoted. When he signed for Real I was a bit disappointed that we missed out on him and thought he looked a cracking player. Admittedly I've not seen loads of him for Real but from what I have seen I think he is still an exciting player. He would be an instant upgrade on several of our players and provided we have a good transfer window, he could be the catalyst for us to becoming a really good side again. The really good players become even better playing consistently and amongst players of higher quality and, as stated, if we have a good transfer window that could happen. James could be the player to light up Old Trafford and maybe he just needs a fresh start, it happens. I welcome this and I am really excited for the summer now.
 
James scores goals, is good at set pieces (which let's be honest, we are terrible at) and has good creativity. We have really missed that this season. The down part to this signing is that I cannot see us signing Griezmann now as i'm unsure how that would work with both of them in the side. Maybe Jose's comments a few weeks ago about only wanting players who want to come here was a side swipe at Griezmann.
Don't get me wrong, he certainly isn't a bad player but it just doesn't make sense to me? We signed Mhiki and we have Mata who are similar players, aside from being excellent set piece takers. I think someone like Griezmann is more what we need, or even Douglas Costa from Bayern.
 
Herrera is the only midfeilder who's energy and high press makes us a proactive side and dominate the opposition midfeild. Pogba is not good enough. He is not scholes who can maintain midfeild control and letting ball winning job on just one midfeild will be huge pressure on anyone , they don't make Roy Keane's and vieras anymore.

It's a disgrace to bench herrera for a soft boy toy. Herrera is the only one good enough to be the captain material in this team.

Playing reactive counter attacking football will never let us dominate against better philosophies.
Herrera will be benched not for a"soft boy toy" but for a new DM (e.g. Fabinho). It has nothing to do with Jame or any other #10 we may buy. Herrera is just not good enough to the starting DM. Herrera will likely start whenever we switch to 4-3-3 but that would be in very few games.

If Cesc+Matic can be successful, I dont see why Pogba+new DM will not be successful. Mourinho has played the same system at different teams and has been successful at each one.
 
We need him badly.
The main problem this season have been goals, unlocking teams and the transition from defence to attack.
James ticks all of those boxes.
He has one of the best left foots in the game.
He can beat a man.
His vision and passing is very good. We might even become dangerous on set pieces again.
He scores goals.
 
Technicality alone is of no use against deep defensive and counter attacking teams.

United have had pace on the wings throughout our history. This league demands pace to get in behind defenses.

James's not going to play on wings so this point is pointless imo.

Also Jose has his style that is different from SAF. He's not going to copy SAF's formation as it's.
 
Don't get me wrong, he certainly isn't a bad player but it just doesn't make sense to me? We signed Mhiki and we have Mata who are similar players, aside from being excellent set piece takers. I think someone like Griezmann is more what we need, or even Douglas Costa from Bayern.
Mkhi is not a similar player. Mata has similarity but James is the better player.
 
James's not going to play on wings so this point is pointless imo.

Also Jose has his style that is different from SAF. He's not going to copy SAF's formation as it's.

It also doesn't stop us from having pace on the wings. Even now we'd be able to put Mkhi, Martial or Rashford on the wing. Maybe we'll buy a pacy winger in this window as well.

Don't understand why this one signing means we can't address other deficient areas in the squad.
 
Only when our midfeilders need rest or injured because we sold schneiderlin. We have played in a 3 man midfeild and dominated in the same.

But we have played with a #10, right?

In the end it's simple, I am not Mourinho I don't know what he has in mind, what I do know is that he has often played with a #10 and we have played with #10.
 
You are most often than not going to have 3 of such players on the field in a Mourinho team. It simply comes with territory.
It was going on long before Jose got here though. It's a small point but it's just an observation.
 
Herrera will be benched not for a"soft boy toy" but for a new DM (e.g. Fabinho). It has nothing to do with Jame or any other #10 we may buy. Herrera is just not good enough to the starting DM. Herrera will likely start whenever we switch to 4-3-3 but that would be in very few games.

If Cesc+Matic can be successful, I dont see why Pogba+new DM will not be successful. Mourinho has played the same system at different teams and has been successful at each one.

Fabinho is not a matic , he can not do that job alone, and besides matic failed tremendously in his second season. Also A 4231 will never get the best out of martial , you except to bench him too and sell him later because he is a flop as well?

We have to develop a system which suits every players strengths, and not just shoe horn players in a 4231.

Also be flexible and fluid in our systems so that we can play different systems, a 4231 is very predictable and frankly speaking outdated and against our history.

Rashford should not be shoehorned on the wing also.
 
Agree with your point about Herrera. Although it probably won't be the popular opinion on here. I don't agree with the poster above that saying Pogba isn't good enough though, that's just stupid IMO.
I have my issues with Pogba but in context he has done enough to show the class that warranted the fee. Every player needs to raise their game for next season and with a full pre season and the Van Gaal philosophy scrubbed from the club we will have no excuses. In regards to Herrera, the most frustrating thing for me is his insistence to pass the ball back where it came from. Numerous times he had that two seconds to turn and either pass or run the ball forward, instead it's a cowardly pass that allows the opposition to reset. He needs to provide more forward momentum for the team instead of mindless passing back an forth.
Herrera shouldn't be insulated just because he is a fan favorite. Every player deserves criticism for this club finishing sixth. Just because the manager prioritized the end of the season which I am absolutely fine with it doesn't stop the player making that defense splitting pass or taking a risk around the opposition box. The praise Rooney gets for the London games were disgraceful, he was shockingly bad. As was Lingard and Martial. The big reason is the lack of control in the center. Our midfield should be pushing play forward, not along the back where it goes back to the keeper to be punted up to Rashford who just can't compete for those balls (extremely poor part of his game) or Martial who will run at three players and not just lose it, but start an attack for the opposition. A lot of questions to be asked by everyone this summer but I have more confidence about next season then I ever did about this one.
 
I've thought long and hard about this, but now I've came to a conclusion - I'd rather Lingard be given a chance to become an established member of the first team. I'm quite happy with finishing 6th all year and turning my nose at Real Madrid's bench warmers who'd improve us tenfold.
 
But we have played with a #10, right?

In the end it's simple, I am not Mourinho I don't know what he has in mind, what I do know is that he has often played with a #10 and we have played with #10.

We have played in a 10 because of lack of options , and all the games we have lost loosing the midfeild control also have come in a 4231.

Chelsea have shown you don't need a 10 . You need the right balance overall suiting to all players strengths.
 
James's not going to play on wings so this point is pointless imo.

Also Jose has his style that is different from SAF. He's not going to copy SAF's formation as it's.

Joses style is to park the bus against big teams with teams better at keeping the ball. United will never except that.
 
We need him badly.
The main problem this season have been goals, unlocking teams and the transition from defence to attack.
James ticks all of those boxes.
He has one of the best left foots in the game.
He can beat a man.
His vision and passing is very good. We might even become dangerous on set pieces again.
He scores goals.
Mmmm, goals you say. A very rare commodity for this club the last few years. You got it right about our inability to unlock defenses and slow transition. A player like James is far superior to Rooney, Mata or Lingard. Mhikatarian has shown real glimpses of his quality and with players around him more in tune he will show his worth. But no player in this current squad except Pogba should stop us signing quality players. We have been dreadful in 75% of our games this season and it is definitely not all down to Mourinho. He set us up not to lose but it is up to the players to hit the back of the net, only one has done that this season.
 
We have played in a 10 because of lack of options , and all the games we have lost loosing the midfeild control also have come in a 4231.

Chelsea have shown you don't need a 10 . You need the right balance overall suiting to all players strengths.

That's your opinion and nothing else.
 
You are correct about Herrera except for one thing, no consistency. He will have a great game then 5/6 average ones. No doubt I want him to be captain, he has the heart and with better players upfront scoring goals his contribution will be appreciated more. I'm so pissed off after that Chelsea performance that the team has not gotten near that type of performance since. We have been really shit to be fair and although Herrara has been ok he is still as responsible as the rest.
Please, show me a spell of 5-6 games when Herrera has been average. Also, please elaborate how many midfielders against was he playing in those games and who was he partnered with from our own players in midfield. Starting from September he has been the most consistent midfielder for us, more consistent and contributing more to the overall play than Carrick, Fellaini and Pogba.
 
That's a fact , not my opinion.

No, it's just your opinion. We started the season in 4231 that's a fact and it wasn't out of necessity. As for the #10 role in general no one said that it was necessary but if Mourinho wants one, there is nothing wrong with it.
 
I've thought long and hard about this, but now I've came to a conclusion - I'd rather Lingard be given a chance to become an established member of the first team. I'm quite happy with finishing 6th all year and turning my nose at Real Madrid's bench warmers who'd improve us tenfold.

There are lots of others wingers out there who will improve us 10 fold.
 
No, it's just your opinion. We started the season in 4231 that's a fact and it wasn't out of necessity. As for the #10 role in general no one said that it was necessary but if Mourinho wants one, there is nothing wrong with it.

We lost 3 games and got completely dominated, only then Mourinho came to his senses and played in a midfeild 3 and dominated all midfeilds just finishing let us down.
 
Joses style is to park the bus against big teams with teams better at keeping the ball. United will never except that.

Then you should have never brought him from the first place ? You either bring a manager who plays with the style you want or bring a manager with different style and let him do what he's successful at. We chose the second path.

Bayern board didn't like Pep's style much but they never forced him to change it.

Trying to bring a manager and mold him into another copy of SAF will never succeed.
 
Technicality alone is of no use against deep defensive and counter attacking teams.

United have had pace on the wings throughout our history. This league demands pace to get in behind defenses.
Not necessarily, look at that Chelsea team post Robben. They had Malouda and Anelka on the wings as starters for most of that successful period between Mourinho left and Villas Boas came, even Joe Cole and Kalou played there. They did have Ashley Cole overlapping on the left but he wasn't that good offensively anyway. None of those had much pace yet they were always 1st or second in the league.
 
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We lost 3 games and got completely dominated, only then Mourinho came to his senses and played in a midfeild 3 and dominated all midfeilds just finishing let us down.

Once again, it doesn't mean that Mourinho won't make us play in 4231 next year, is that difficult to understand? Is that difficult to grasp the idea that Mourinho might adjust the roster in order to make something that didn't work, work in the future?
 
I've thought long and hard about this, but now I've came to a conclusion - I'd rather Lingard be given a chance to become an established member of the first team. I'm quite happy with finishing 6th all year and turning my nose at Real Madrid's bench warmers who'd improve us tenfold.

i 100% agreed with you. I love seeing my fellow rivals Liverpool, Arsenal, and Manchester City prospering and doing well signing world class talents while we do the honorable and noble favors by extending generous contracts to the fine gentlemen in our squad like Jesse Lingard, Chris Smalling, Phil Jones, and Marouane Fellaini. Our selfless act has allow us to continue in great pursuit of the prestigious Europa League trophy two years in a row and hopefully a third straight venture next fall.
 
Is there a chance Jose may deploy him as the furthest midfielder in the mould of Lampard at Chelsea? Arriving late in the box/on the edge he can score a ton of goals if we sort our wing play out too


Could do. Hes exceptional at arriving in the box and finishing off crosses cut backs.
 
Those stats need to be taken in context. Belotti is 23 which is 5yrs older than Mbappe (interestingly both were born on December 20).

At 18, Belotti was playing in the equivalent of English league 2 (i.e. 4th tier). At 23, he is playing at a midtable club and has zero exposure to european football.
Mbappe on the other hand is already starting at Monaco, being a key part of what is likely a championship team and already played in the CL semis.

Even with all that Mbappe is not worth 100m and Belotti is definitely not worth half of it.

That's what I am saying, Belloti has more experience and maybe isn't a one season wonder like Mbappe might be. Football is a team game that is why he is playing like that for Monaco, he could struggle in our team. Mbappe can't win big games on his own, which some people here are expecting that he will do. An 18 year old can't lead an attack on his own, Jose isn't the type of manager who will spend big on young players like Mbappe. The market is inflated currently, teams are now spending 50m for defenders. No one in their right minds would gamble on a unproven player by paying that much. I am not saying Mbappe doesn't have the skills or talent, he could become a world class player in the future or something might go wrong which might stop him from becoming a world class player.
 
That's what I am saying, Belloti has more experience and maybe isn't a one season wonder like Mbappe might be. Football is a team game that is why he is playing like that for Monaco, he could struggle in our team. Mbappe can't win big games on his own, which some people here are expecting that he will do. An 18 year old can't lead an attack on his own, Jose isn't the type of manager who will spend big on young players like Mbappe. The market is inflated currently, teams are now spending 50m for defenders. No one in their right minds would gamble on a unproven player by paying that much. I am not saying Mbappe doesn't have the skills or talent, he could become a world class player in the future or something might go wrong which might stop him from becoming a world class player.
Mbappe is never going to be a 1 season wonder FFS :lol:
 
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