James Rodriguez| Is considering his options

RedPed said:
While we continue to pay Rooney his absolutely ridiculous salary, I don't think your argument is a valid one. I would be more upset if we paid £50m for Jon Stones then £60m for Rodriguez.

You're telling me that £27m and £28m for Fellaini and Schneiderlin was value for money but wouldn't pay more than £30m for James or £15m for Willian??? :eek:
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I don't pay Rooney his salary.

I didn't say this.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I don't pay Rooney his salary.

I didn't say this.
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You don't pay the transfer fees either so what's your problem? I didn't say you did. I'm just saying baulking at the prices for players like Willian and Rodriguez when we have donkeys like Fellaini and Schneiderlin, who cost us a few quid is a bit ridiculous. We will always have to pay a bit more for players, that's just the way it is.
 
LonelyFire said:
And the precise reason for that is because he isn't prepared to work hard enough. He wants a free role and he wouldn't get that under Mourinho
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He isn't a CM, that's the precise reason, he has never been a CM. It would be like asking Griezmann to play in a midfield three, with Kroos and Modric.
 
RedPed said:
You don't pay the transfer fees either so what's your problem? I didn't say you did. I'm just saying baulking at the prices for players like Willian and Rodriguez when we have donkeys like Fellaini and Schneiderlin, who cost us a few quid is a bit ridiculous. We will always have to pay a bit more for players, that's just the way it is.
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You've not understood what I've said.

I don't mind us overpaying as long as we do it on the right players. It's been reported that we've been linked with a move for Willian at 60 million. That's fecking ridiculous. As for James, he moved to Real for around £65 million and he seems to be no longer required by them, so why on earth pay more than 35 million for him?
 
Di Maria's angel said:
You've not understood what I've said.

I don't mind us overpaying as long as we do it on the right players. It's been reported that we've been linked with a move for Willian at 60 million. That's fecking ridiculous. As for James, he moved to Real for around £65 million and he seems to be no longer required by them, so why on earth pay more than 35 million for him?
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I wouldn't pay £60m for him either but I would get him to replace some of the crap we have now. In fact there aren't many players out there really worth over £50m tbh. The market is so over in-flated these days and that's where the problem is. So if this player is worth x then that player must surely be worth y.
 
RedPed said:
I wouldn't pay £60m for him either but I would get him to replace some of the crap we have now. In fact there aren't many players out there really worth over £50m tbh. The market is so over in-flated these days and that's where the problem is. So if this player is worth x then that player must surely be worth y.
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I agree the market is over inflated, however, given the circumstances behind the two in question, we shouldn't have to over pay for either.

If we're talking about Griezmann, Pogba or someone else of their ilk then overpay, by all means. I wouldn't bat an eye lid.
 
I'd take a punt on him. Nothing more than 35-40m though.
Money isn't really an issue these days, but perspective plays a part, and he isn't wanted by Real.

My only problem as a few have mentioned would be his work rate. He clearly has class, and he showed that at the world cup, but would he work hard enough for Mourinho.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I'd be wary of James if was to move here in a similar way to di Maria. If he doesn't want to be here, don't bother, at all.
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Yeah I agree there. Although part of me does think that we would have had a happier Di Miara if he was handled better. When he came, he played every position under the sun, then fecked off to the bench.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I agree the market is over inflated, however, given the circumstances behind the two in question, we shouldn't have to over pay for either.

If we're talking about Griezmann, Pogba or someone else of their ilk then overpay, by all means. I wouldn't bat an eye lid.
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Most big money signings are a risk: Robinho, Torres, Shevchenko, Veron, Di Maria, Falcao, Rodriguez, Sterling, Carroll, Paulinho, Mangala, Ozil?? etc., etc., I could go on. Arrived with big reputations and so much promise yet failing to deliver.

We still can't be throwing money at players like Griezmann, Pogba etc. £70m for Pogba......no way! Why can't we looking for the Mahrez, Kante sensations of this world?? They've got to be out there.
 
He will cost more than he should. And we are the only team that would be forced to pay so much.
 
Summit said:
Yeah I agree there. Although part of me does think that we would have had a happier Di Miara if he was handled better. When he came, he played every position under the sun, then fecked off to the bench.
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Agreed. Any other manager than van Gaal and I reckon he would've worked through it and been ok. Had the makings of being a legend at OT. Missed a trick with that one, sadly.
 
Summit said:
Yeah I agree there. Although part of me does think that we would have had a happier Di Miara if he was handled better. When he came, he played every position under the sun, then fecked off to the bench.
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Oh, I agree. However, James was desperate to move to Real and seemingly doesn't want to leave, even after being treated like crap, half the time. Could end up being a disaster if we over pay for him.
 
RedPed said:
Most big money signings are a risk: Robinho, Torres, Shevchenko, Veron, Di Maria, Falcao, Rodriguez, Sterling, Carroll, Paulinho, Mangala, Ozil?? etc., etc., I could go on. Arrived with big reputations and so much promise yet failing to deliver.

We still can't be throwing money at players like Griezmann, Pogba etc. £70m for Pogba......no way! Why can't we looking for the Mahrez, Kante sensations of this world?? They've got to be out there.
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We have our sensations in the form of Rashford, TFM and CBJ. It's time we added some big guns to mix and made the step up.

We're going to over pay on most players this summer. Lets just ensure we do it on the right ones.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Yes, enough to know that neither is worth more than what they went for to Real and Chelsea.

Willian was 25 when he moved to Chelsea for 30 million. Three half decent seasons later, and he's been linked to a move to us. At 28, he's not worth a penny more than 15 million.

James moved to Monaco for 38 million, had two good seasons before making a big money move to Real. Over the past two years, he's been very good for Real, however, he seems to be disposable for Real; and that, to me, suggests he's not worth, or rather we shouldn't pay, any more than 30-35 million.
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There's a difference between real prices and whatever you're smoking
 
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Di Maria's angel said:
I'd be wary of James if was to move here in a similar way to di Maria. If he doesn't want to be here, don't bother, at all.
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Secondly- I suppose we all agree his best position is behind the striker (he is no winger). If that's the case, no way Mourinho is going to play him there considering how little he offers defensively. The guy who sold Mata is not going to buy James.
 
We wont buy a 10, therefore we wont buy James. I am 99% sure he will not end up at United this summer.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Yes, enough to know that neither is worth more than what they went for to Real and Chelsea.

Willian was 25 when he moved to Chelsea for 30 million. Three half decent seasons later, and he's been linked to a move to us. At 28, he's not worth a penny more than 15 million.

James moved to Monaco for 38 million, had two good seasons before making a big money move to Real. Over the past two years, he's been very good for Real, however, he seems to be disposable for Real; and that, to me, suggests he's not worth, or rather we shouldn't pay, any more than 30-35 million.
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What you think someone should be worth on the market, and what they're actually worth on the market, are clearly two completely different things. You expect those clubs to sell at a loss? Both players are contracted, both would be in high demand, yet you think they're worth less than their initial purchase value? Not logical.

Worth is defined by demand, and both of these players would have a lot of clubs interested should they become available.
 
I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch United this last two years and still say they don't want a player like James Rodriguez.

He's still young, has a lot of flair, a range of passing and scores goals out of nothing. He's a huge upgrade on Mata and he's also versatile enough to play from the right. I'd say £50/£60m and I'd take him, think he could be a real star for us and he's one of only a handful of players that are attainable that have genuine, world class qualities.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
What you think someone should be worth on the market, and what they're actually worth on the market, are clearly two completely different things. You expect those clubs to sell at a loss? Both players are contracted, both would be in high demand, yet you think they're worth less than their initial purchase value? Not logical.

Worth is defined by demand, and both of these players would have a lot of clubs interested should they become available.
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I doubt Willian is in demand. Not sure how the papers managed to attach a 60 million price tag on him.

As for James, what has he done to be worth more than £65 million? In the biggest game since his arrival, he played 0 minutes. That, too me, suggests he's quite low down in the pecking order. As for his demand, who requires his services, who can afford him and where would he prefer to go? PSG? Maybe; Bayern? No; Nowhere in Spain; Chelsea? Maybe; Arsenal? No; City? They'd have to get rid of Silva.

Interested parties would be PSG, Chelsea and ourselves. I'd go further and rule out Chelsea as they have no European football. So between us and PSG. That's not a lot of demand.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I doubt Willian is in demand. Not sure how the papers managed to attach a 60 million price tag on him.

As for James, what has he done to be worth more than £65 million? In the biggest game since his arrival, he played 0 minutes. That, too me, suggests he's quite low down in the pecking order. As for his demand, who requires his services, who can afford him and where would he prefer to go? PSG? Maybe; Bayern? No; Nowhere in Spain; Chelsea? Maybe; Arsenal? No; City? They'd have to get rid of Silva.

Interested parties would be PSG, Chelsea and ourselves. I'd go further and rule out Chelsea as they have no European football. So between us and PSG. That's not a lot of demand.
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I think that's a limited view of interested parties. Announce these players as "for sale" on the open market and I guarantee you that there would be a lot more interest.

I'm not saying they should go for £60m+ either, just that your notion of them not being worth even £40m is just wrong. Both would fetch that in China alone (not that they'd go, but you get the point). In a world where Benteke is being touted as a £65m striker, you think these guys won't fetch cost price?
 
United should make Real or Chelsea take a loss if they are ever interested in selling those players to the club. After all, we took a loss too with Di Maria, as pointed out in the thread. And for those who are wondering why it matters... Financial strength is not unlimited, and it's all about managing well. If United can get a good price at fair value, why should they overpay? Let the other clubs have no concept of what a balance sheet it. At United, the financial success has always mattered too and that means not overpaying players other teams don't want.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
I think that's a limited view of interested parties. Announce these players as "for sale" on the open market and I guarantee you that there would be a lot more interest.

I'm not saying they should go for £60m+ either, just that your notion of them not being worth even £40m is just wrong. Both would fetch that in China alone (not that they'd go, but you get the point). In a world where Benteke is being touted as a £65m striker, you think these guys won't fetch cost price?
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The way I see it, he went to Real Madrid 2 seasons ago for 65 million on the back of a decent season at Monaco and wonderful World Cup. I think we can all agree that he had done very little to have his price bumped in a year from 38 million to 65 million.

Two seasons later, in which he's played 41 and 22 games, I find it very hard to see him being worth much more than £35 million. He's been injury free since October, and yet only featured a handful of times since. Real Madrid don't need him, and thus, we, or anyone else, should be able to get him at a cut price.

Which teams do you think could buy him? Take into consideration money, wages, requirements etc.
 
Can he play wide as part of a forward three or is he realistically only a 10 playmaker? These would likely be the only positional options available under Mourinho. I get the impression that James is a better version of Mata, and Mata is likely to be moved on. I don't see it as a transfer that Mourinho would make, but if he was to be moved on from Madrid I would expect a similar fee to the one that took him to Monaco - E40 - E50 million.
 
SirBobbysCombover said:
I watched james and Colombia in the WC, just can't see the fat Frank comparison.
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Maybe not like for like. I just use Lampard reference, as Mourinho has managed the type of goalscoring no. 10 before. I think James could be fit in the same role.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I'd be wary of James if was to move here in a similar way to di Maria. If he doesn't want to be here, don't bother, at all.
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Di Maria wasn't the only one at fault for how things ended here, reading some of the shit LVG was up to our players deserve praise for putting up with it to the very end. Almost every other manager would have worked out how to utilize him and if it had worked out for him on the pitch he wouldn't have been so quick to feck off. So if James comes here and it works out well I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed for longer than a season. For all the talk of Manchester being a hellhole South American players like Aguerro, Fernandinho, Heinze and Rafael settled well there.
 
Is he being pushed out by Madrid or does he actually want to leave? If it's the former I wouldn't go near him as he'd probably lack commitment and end up hating Manchester pretty quickly.
 
We shouldn't give madrid a fortune for a player they want to sell to fund buying another star. If they really don't want him then the fee should reflect that, otherwise spending on griezmann would be much better.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
We took a 15 million hit, last summer, on a player we bought for 60 million, two years ago.

Neither James or Willian have improved since making their moves. In James' case, he'll probably be surplus to requirements after the summer, when Real go shopping for new toys. I'm not entirely fussed about our spending, but I'd rather we'd not spend (or overspend) it on players such as the aforementioned two. Neither is worth anywhere near that was paid for them when they made their moves to their respective teams. But it'd be typical of us to get bent over in these transfers.
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We were held at gun point for Di Maria. He clearly didn't want to stay at United and was in a price bracket for fee and wages that only elite clubs could afford. Add into the mix that he was clearly favouring PSG even when he was angling for a move out of Madrid and it was unlikely that he would go anywhere but there. As such the ball was in PSG's court and they played it to a tee. So do we sell at a loss or do we keep an underperforming, unmotivated player on our books?

And yes as a club who goes on the record about our business dealings and profits of course the selling club is going to squeeze as much as is possible out of us (just as Madrid and Barcelona have to spend huge amounts every time they bring new players in). But as always I would rather see our massive profits going into squad investment than the directors pockets.
 
moxdevil said:
Can he play wide as part of a forward three or is he realistically only a 10 playmaker? These would likely be the only positional options available under Mourinho. I get the impression that James is a better version of Mata, and Mata is likely to be moved on. I don't see it as a transfer that Mourinho would make, but if he was to be moved on from Madrid I would expect a similar fee to the one that took him to Monaco - E40 - E50 million.
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I haven't watched a lot of Real this season, but I just talked to one of their supporters and asked him exactly the same thing – he said he could play on the wing, but generally he is way too slow there and Lucas Vasquez is a better option for the wing position. He said we should definitely play him through the middle to utilize his skillset best. Sounds like another Mata, I agree,, excellent player, can't really play on the wing.
 
I still remember "James Rodriguez the next superstar in world football?" thread when his world cup hype was at its peak after his superb volley in the knockout stage.
 
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