Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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This is not your regular criticism of a player, his own coach basically called him lazy in an interview. This is on.
And not just on. Based on his comments, 50 mil max. For lazy player, who doesn't play defence and who is tactically bad....we will even overpay him.
But based on his potential we can give them 50mil. And not one euro more than that
 
I fancy him coming here after those quotes on him from his coach. It just sounds too bizarre to me. Let's see
I’m trying not to get too ahead of myself but I don’t understand why he would say anything questionable under the circumstances.
 
Plus for Woodward, with limited visibility on when match-day revenue stream will come back online. Tough to manage cashflow when there isn't much visibility.
Exactly. In times of such cash flow uncertainty, a massive outlaw of cash is out of the question.
 
I’m trying not to get too ahead of myself but I don’t understand why he would say anything questionable under the circumstances.

Yes my exact thought too. They were praising him head to toe only a few days ago. Hopefully we can see something concrete by the end of the week. It's dragging but i'm willing to wait
 
I really don't get how people are so infuriated we're not dropping 120m like it's nothing. You have to be able to afford the transfer in every scenario. Would any of you bet your mortgage/life savings that if Sancho comes we get top 4? No, because you can't afford to lose that. If we spend money we potentially can't afford, we're going to be in the shit. If we can't afford him, it is what it is.
The problem is the finances show we can afford him. Shareholders have been taking large healthy dividends out every year. It’s the mindset of the owners treating the club like a business and not a football club which is what is holding us back.
 
It referrers to his pressing, gegenpressing and backtracking, which he could stil learn a lot from the likes of Reus and the others. That is some area where he can improve a lot.

I feel sorry when for you when you use up your valuable quota of 5 posts a day with posts that offer very little value leaving you defenceless to respond to the rightly guided verbal assaults on you.

Just here to say goodbye for the day before your time is up...
 
I’m trying not to get too ahead of myself but I don’t understand why he would say anything questionable under the circumstances.

Because as far as things go in Germany the "circumstances" ended a week ago.
 
Perhaps United is waiving the sell on clause for Zaha if we're struggling to find the funds but just I don't see Dortmund paying even 50m.

To be fair it was surprising when Juve spunked the Pogba money on Higuain.

Or were helping fund it in order to bring Sancho in
 
Don't think there is any avenda behind Favre's comments. He just said it as it is.
If we sign him, I am confident Ole can improve his attitude.
 
Welcome back aboard the Sancho train, there's no seats left in first class, but please make yourselves comfortable.

Look, the train guard's back managing seat allocation, after he's been hiding under one for the last days :lol:
 
The problem is the finances show we can afford him. Shareholders have been taking large healthy dividends out every year. It’s the mindset of the owners treating the club like a business and not a football club which is what is holding us back.

How and where does it show we can afford to blow 100m cash instead of instalments? How many OT matches did we lose out? At £5M per matchday loss plus we never laid off anyone. Each month during the lockdown supposedly cost United £25M. Each month.

Cash isn't some eternal fountain even at United. It has to be earned.

There is no way we can plonk down £100m cash like the Macguire deal. That deal set us back to start with and now with the lack of visibility going forward, it would be irresponsible of Woodward as the CEO of a £2B entity to spend that much cash on one player. I can see the case of instalments to spread the risk out plus providing us some financial flexibility with the other signings.

But if Dortmund still insist on a one-time payment, I would walk away.

My best guess is that they will need some cash (with a £45M loss from the last financial year -- the year going forward wont be hunky-dory either) injection and the sale of Sancho is their best bet. They are just maximising the value.
 
How and where does it show we can afford to blow 120m cash instead of instalments? How many OT matches did we lose out? At £5M per matchday loss plus we never laid off anyone. Each month during the lockdown it cost United £25M.

Cash isn't some eternal fountain even at United. There is no way we can plonk down £100m cash like the Macguire deal. That deal set us back to start with and now with the lack of visibility going forward, it would be irresponsible of Woodward as the CEO of a £650M entity to spend that much cash on one player. I can see the case of instalments to spread the risk out plus providing us some financial flexibility with the other signings.

But if Dortmund still insist on a one-time payment, I would walk away.

My best guess is that they will need some cash (with a £45M loss from the last financial year -- the year going forward wont be hunky-dory either) injection and the sale of Sancho is their best bet. They are just maximising the value.

Dortmund have never insisted on all of it upfront, we have been trying to play the system by adding unachievable addons we have a history of this under woodward.
 
Yes my exact thought too. They were praising him head to toe only a few days ago. Hopefully we can see something concrete by the end of the week. It's dragging but i'm willing to wait

The quicker we close the deal, the more we have to pay. It is a balance. Where the cut off point on the deal is, probably by early Sept because Dortmund will have to close the deal of the Sancho replacement.
 
The quicker we close the deal, the more we have to pay. It is a balance. Where the cut off point on the deal is, probably by early Sept because Dortmund will have to close the deal of the Sancho replacement.

I don’t know but it appears that BVB are the ones who are dragging the deal, not us. Remember the reports of United being frustrated with the pace of discussions and Dortmund aren’t willing to communicate directly and insisted on using middle men agents? There is simply no cut off point if they are doing that, and the window doesn’t close until October 5th
 
Time to look for a high profile loan (Dembele, Perisic, Bale) to bridge the gap. Sancho isn't going anywhere else.
 
The amount of naysayers in this thread makes me even more optimistic.

I think I'll wear red on Sancho day. Or black/white/grey, as usual. Or nothing at all.
 
Dortmund have never insisted on all of it upfront, we have been trying to play the system by adding unachievable addons we have a history of this under woodward.

Maybe. But there is no way anyone of us will know the exact details of the various proposals to date. The magnitude of this seal and Dortmund's previous history of such deals will imply that both sides will be stubborn.

Ultimately it will be up to Ole to make some level of (performance) commitment to Woodward to get this deal across -- ie risk splurging most of our cash reserves on this deal but then maybe not get other transfer choices Ole had originally wanted.
Woodward was clever enough a few months back to have some revolving credit from some financial lending institution ready in case it may be required.
 
We’ll have a poor start to the season then panic and sign him for more being quoted now.
 
Time to look for a high profile loan (Dembele, Perisic, Bale) to bridge the gap. Sancho isn't going anywhere else.
We won’t explore it but Bale would be an interesting option. Such is the desperation of Madrid, could probably get him on loan with no obligation and them paying a large portion of his wages as well. Having said that with our medical team maybe not... :lol:
 
I don’t know but it appears that BVB are the ones who are dragging the deal, not us. Remember the reports of United being frustrated with the pace of discussions and Dortmund aren’t willing to communicate directly and insisted on using middle men agents? There is simply no cut off point if they are doing that, and the window doesn’t close until October 5th

I think its quite clever of Dortmund to do that. Its the ol good cop/bad cop scenario.

When you buy a car you would talk to the sales guy who would negotiate a deal with you then walk away to 'speak' to his sales manager 'to get approval.' The reality is that he probably went to the back to smoke a fag. Then wait a while to see if you are willing to re-negotiate because the 'sale manager' said it was impossible to do that deal.

However in this case, it's impossible to find out the value of the car or in Sancho's case, it's whatever the buyer is willing to pay. So its quite clever. We look like the rich buyer and so they will try and squeeze as much out of us as possible -- within certain parameters.
 
Maybe. But there is no way anyone of us will know the exact details of the various proposals to date. The magnitude of this seal and Dortmund's previous history of such deals will imply that both sides will be stubborn.

Ultimately it will be up to Ole to make some level of (performance) commitment to Woodward to get this deal across -- ie risk splurging most of our cash reserves on this deal but then maybe not get other transfer choices Ole had originally wanted.
Woodward was clever enough a few months back to have some revolving credit from some financial lending institution ready in case it may be required.
I'm wondering what's unachievable?
Sancho can certainly reach Ballon D'Or winning heights.

5m if Sancho travels to space in the next 10 years?
Another 5m if he decides to quit football and join the circus as a clown wearing a honking red nose.
 
How and where does it show we can afford to blow 100m cash instead of instalments? How many OT matches did we lose out? At £5M per matchday loss plus we never laid off anyone. Each month during the lockdown supposedly cost United £25M. Each month.

Cash isn't some eternal fountain even at United. It has to be earned.

There is no way we can plonk down £100m cash like the Macguire deal. That deal set us back to start with and now with the lack of visibility going forward, it would be irresponsible of Woodward as the CEO of a £2B entity to spend that much cash on one player. I can see the case of instalments to spread the risk out plus providing us some financial flexibility with the other signings.

But if Dortmund still insist on a one-time payment, I would walk away.

My best guess is that they will need some cash (with a £45M loss from the last financial year -- the year going forward wont be hunky-dory either) injection and the sale of Sancho is their best bet. They are just maximising the value.

I don't think you realise that Dortmund are not asking for £100m cash up front. It has been well publicised that they are happy to accept installments. No big transfer in the world is done with a one big lump sum payment.

Macguire was never an £80m up front payment. We are still paying installments for that transfer.
 
Maybe. But Europe’s press are all still watching and it would be silly to create more attention as it’s distracting to the player and their pre-season.

I think the fact that Favre said these things on Sunday and you learned about them on Tuesday, because a forum user translated them for you kind of says it all about that concern.
 
I'm wondering what's unachievable?
Sancho can certainly reach Ballon D'Or winning heights.

5m if Sancho travels to space in the next 10 years?
Another 5m if he decides to quit football and join the circus as a clown wearing a honking red nose.

That may not be too impossible at the rate we are going, and how footballer sare being paid nowadays.
 
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