Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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Amerifan said:
You may recall many of those players were going to take us to the next level as well. Nothing is guaranteed regarding Sancho’s continued progression.Let’s not heap too much on the lad’s shoulders.
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I don’t remember anyone saying those players I’ve mentioned were going to take us to the “next level” except for Pogba. They were all regarded as improvements. At no point were any of them regarded amongst the best players in the world.

Sancho is regarded by many as the best young player in the world right now.

I don’t think the praise he’s getting is over hyped.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Point is, he still have 3 years contract with Dortmund, and Dortmund is in no rush to sell, and they could even sell him for higher price next summer if the markets is recovering and there are more clubs who could afford him, who knows.
Besides, their fans could also argue that since we are so far behind Liverpool and won't be challenging them any soon, it won't make any difference of us signing him this summer either.
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Expecting the market to recover by next season is a huge stretch. Even if the World does get it under control, which is looking unlikely, it will take a while before everything is back to resembling normal. We are talking about losses here that could potentially result in the football market forever being different.

Also regarding your last point - its not the same. Whether or not Sancho makes a difference to our sdason isn't the ppint. The point is that we have an intention to buy him to continue trying* to close the gap, whereas it's guaranteed that Dortmund won't be able to hold onto him and the longer they do, the more they risk losing.
 
RUCK4444 said:
I don’t think they are talking all day everyday. It’s probably correspondence here, bit of posturing, couple of days then more of the same.

I think we are letting them stew now on us potentially looking elsewhere, then we will go back in with our final offer. Let’s hope that offer will be enough.

You can’t say it’s officially off until United brief the usual British media that we’ve pulled out.
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I am pretty sure its posturing. If any of you have bought a house before there are many days/weeks of no contact. A deal of 100M, I am sure you don't need to speak to each other daily or you would seem the weaker/desperate side and thus losing your leverage.
 
Womp said:
Expecting the market to recover by next season is a huge stretch. Even if the World does get it under control, which is looking unlikely, it will take a while before everything is back to resembling normal. We are talking about losses here that could potentially result in the football market forever being different.

Also regarding your last point - its not the same. Whether or not Sancho makes a difference to our sdason isn't the ppint. The point is that we have an intention to buy him to continue trying* to close the gap, whereas it's guaranteed that Dortmund won't be able to hold onto him and the longer they do, the more they risk losing.
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You are just assuming Dortmund has given up the league before it started. In reality, they have much closer gap to Bayern than we are to Liverpool.
Also he has 3 years contract with Bayern, sure no one knows how long COVID would last, it could even last for decades and all clubs could go bankrupt and the world economy could go completely crushed in future, who knows. But at this point, they are in no rush to sell, really.
 
RedRonaldo said:
You are just assuming Dortmund has given up the league before it started. In reality, they have much closer gap to Bayern than we are to Liverpool.
Also he has 3 years contract with Bayern, sure no one knows how COVID would last, but they are in no rush to sell, really.
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This isn't about who is closer. You're right we also can't compete but the reality of the situation is we are willing to buy and thry are inevitably going to sell. Neither of us can compete, sure, but the longer they hold onto him, the more they risk losing. Which is by no means ideal for a team whose whole approach revolves around profits on sales.
 
Womp said:
This isn't about who is closer. You're right we also can't compete but the reality of the situation is we are willing to buy and thry are inevitably going to sell. Neither of us can compete, sure, but the longer they hold onto him, the more they risk losing. Which is by no means ideal for a team whose whole approach revolves around profits on sales.
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They dont need to sell now. They dont need to sell to us. Even if they did need to sell, they can sell him next season. So the ball is in their court unless we make them an offer they cant refuse. At 70m it is proven that they can refuse that. And there's no risk at all of losing him. Dortmunt can sell him at the last minute and he'll still fetch roughly the same price if not more.

So stop making as if dortmund is at our mercy. They're not. Gosh our fans can be so cocky sometimes
 
Womp said:
This isn't about who is closer. You're right we also can't compete but the reality of the situation is we are willing to buy and thry are inevitably going to sell. Neither of us can compete, sure, but the longer they hold onto him, the more they risk losing. Which is by no means ideal for a team whose whole approach revolves around profits on sales.
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This is only from your perspective only as a Man Utd fans, sure who wouldn't want to buy Sancho for discount fee? But If I am from Dortmund, I'd 100% not sell, unless Man Utd pay the price.There's no rush for them to sell him cheap at all, they still have 3 years with him. They sold Dembele for 145m few years ago, and Sancho is simply better player. In comparison, the 120m they've asked for is already a discount. Anything lower, would be rather unacceptable. It just like clubs bidding 60m for Pogba or Bruno, and convinced that we should accept the deal in this market.
 
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What about David Neres as an alternative. Anybody watched him play full matches and not just YouTube highlights? Seems a real prospect. Looks two-footed and can play on both wings. If he costs half or two-thirds the price for Sancho?
 
RedRonaldo said:
This is only from your perspective only as a Man Utd fans, sure who wouldn't want to buy Sancho for discount fee? But If I am from Dortmund, I'd 100% not sell, unless Man Utd pay the price.There's no rush for them to sell him cheap at all, they still have 3 years with him. They sold Dembele for 145m few years ago, and Sancho is simply better player. In comparison, the 120m they've asked for is already a discount. Anything lower, would be rather unacceptable. It just like clubs bidding 60m for Pogba or Bruno, and convinced that we should accept the deal in this market.
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That was my point though, if we paid the 120m. I didn't say they would/should sell for less than that amount. My stance has always been they'll sell if we pay what they want.
 
Sky1981 said:
They dont need to sell now. They dont need to sell to us. Even if they did need to sell, they can sell him next season. So the ball is in their court unless we make them an offer they cant refuse. At 70m it is proven that they can refuse that. And there's no risk at all of losing him. Dortmunt can sell him at the last minute and he'll still fetch roughly the same price if not more.

So stop making as if dortmund is at our mercy. They're not. Gosh our fans can be so cocky sometimes
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I'm not making that suggestion at all? I said if we paid what they were asking.

It was more in regards to this 'deadline' that supposedly has passed. If we pay their valuation, they'll still sell imo
 
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Womp said:
That was my point though, if we paid the 120m. I didn't say they would/should sell for less than that amount. My stance has always been they'll sell if we pay what they want.
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Well, but the biggest obstacles here is that, we can't afford 120m.
 
I know finances are down for every club but I dont know why that should bother selling club. If they rate him at 120 million then they shouldn't give any Corona discount (that's actually hilarious phrase btw), like some clearance sale discount.

It's not Dortmund or Leicester's problem that there are clubs who want their players. If club's finances are bad then they should look at affordable players.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Well, but the biggest obstacles here is that, we can't afford 120m.
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Of course we can, we may not be willing to spend that much on a player but if we dont have 120M for this window then what the feck are we doing pursuing Sancho?

We are rumored to want 3 players, so if we dont even have 120M why bother going after a player that will cost 100M in the best scenario?
 
roonster09 said:
I know finances are down for every club but I dont know why that should bother selling club. If they rate him at 120 million then they shouldn't give any Corona discount (that's actually hilarious phrase btw), like some clearance sale discount.

It's not Dortmund or Leicester's problem that there are clubs who want their players. If club's finances are bad then they should look at affordable players.
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Indeed. This is getting clear cut. They want and need the full amount up front. Our own coffers and financing from bankers are not able to provide such an amount. Other clubs are quick to cut sub-$60 mil deals but a single deal over $100 mil appears too much to ask from our financing sources. I suspect financing is not as simple as the club dipping into its cash equivalents. There are covenants and loans involved and bankers might not be willing to sanction such a massive outlay.
 
monosierra said:
Indeed. This is getting clear cut. They want and need the full amount up front. Our own coffers and financing from bankers are not able to provide such an amount. Other clubs are quick to cut sub-$60 mil deals but a single deal over $100 mil appears too much to ask from our financing sources. I suspect financing is not as simple as the club dipping into its cash equivalents. There are covenants and loans involved and bankers might not be willing to sanction such a massive outlay.
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Plus for Woodward, with limited visibility on when match-day revenue stream will come back online. Tough to manage cashflow when there isn't much visibility.
 
Kaos said:
If he runs down his contract, what makes you think he'll sign for us? Especially if we don't really make any progress between now and then as a club. He'll have plenty of clubs battling it out for his signature, whereas there's no guarantee we'll even be able to offer him Champions league football by then. We don't sign him this window and we've lost our chance indefinitely imo.
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Yes, should have a pre agreement for a huge sign on fee or employ his father right now, prefer paying him than Dortmund
 
Hopefully wake up to some news this afternoon, fingers crossed!
 
This is gonna be horrific if Madrid miraculously manage to find some unsold land (again) and pay up...
 
SAFMUTD said:
Of course we can, we may not be willing to spend that much on a player but if we dont have 120M for this window then what the feck are we doing pursuing Sancho?

We are rumored to want 3 players, so if we dont even have 120M why bother going after a player that will cost 100M in the best scenario?
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Sure we can, we just don't think he's worth it, right? Otherwise he would be ours already?
 
roonster09 said:
I know finances are down for every club but I dont know why that should bother selling club. If they rate him at 120 million then they shouldn't give any Corona discount (that's actually hilarious phrase btw), like some clearance sale discount.

It's not Dortmund or Leicester's problem that there are clubs who want their players. If club's finances are bad then they should look at affordable players.
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Not entirely sure what you mean, it just depends on if they need to sell or not. In general, if you're selling in a market that's gone down the toilet, then it's obviously going to have an effect on the price you'll be able to achieve, so it's hardly hilarious.

If they don't need to sell then by all means, but i don't think it's that much of a no brainer in terms of expecting similar fees next season. Truth is that we don't know, if there's no crowds for the vast majority of the 20/21 season then the ability, apart from City, PSG and to an extent Chelsea, to fork out large fees next summer will be non-existing. Clubs don't know if they're facing a small correction in transfer fees or if we're talking years with lower fees due to issues with cash flow.
 
It is dead in the water, this has no sign of a deal that will happen.

Let's move on to other life events, Kermit is truly and finally dead in the water.
 
UncleBob said:
Not entirely sure what you mean, it just depends on if they need to sell or not. In general, if you're selling in a market that's gone down the toilet, then it's obviously going to have an effect on the price you'll be able to achieve, so it's hardly hilarious.

If they don't need to sell then by all means, but i don't think it's that much of a no brainer in terms of expecting similar fees next season. Truth is that we don't know, if there's no crowds for the vast majority of the 20/21 season then the ability, apart from City, PSG and to an extent Chelsea, to fork out large fees next summer will be non-existing. Clubs don't know if they're facing a small correction in transfer fees or if we're talking years with lower fees due to issues with cash flow.
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Going by all the reports, they don't want to sell the player and they would be very much happy to retain him. They will sell only if player wants to leave. They are not actively looking for buyers. Same for Havertz and Leverkusen, Chilwell and Leicester. So in these cases, covid discount doesn't make sense.

On the other hand, clubs who are looking to offload players like us with Sanchez, or Smalling, Or Barca with shit loads of deadwood players then selling for smaller fee makes sense as clubs are actively looking for buyers.
 
His first interview after signing for United should be something like
Jadon Sancho: "You love to see it, I love being in this part of the world. There's no room for interpretation"
 
roonster09 said:
Going by all the reports, they don't want to sell the player and they would be very much happy to retain him. They will sell only if player wants to leave. They are not actively looking for buyers. Same for Havertz and Leverkusen, Chilwell and Leicester. So in these cases, covid discount doesn't make sense.

On the other hand, clubs who are looking to offload players like us with Sanchez, or Smalling, Or Barca with shit loads of deadwood players then selling for smaller fee makes sense as clubs are actively looking for buyers.
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So you agree that your first statement was incorrect then, good.
 
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