Yeah, he does lose possession with bad touches and dispossessions more than you’d like him too. His pass completion is really high for a winger though so he doesn’t give it away that much in that regard.
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Yeah, he does lose possession with bad touches and dispossessions more than you’d like him too. His pass completion is really high for a winger though so he doesn’t give it away that much in that regard.
Average to good performance.
A lot of overrating here because of him being a player many fans want.
A lot of overrating here because of him being a player many fans want.
True, but he is exactly the kind of player we need on our right wing.
Good on the ball. Knows how to beat a man one on one and can deliver beautiful passes. I think he could really help a player like Lukaku get to the + 20 goal tally in the league. Same goes for Rash and Tony, who ever we choose to play up front.
Don’t think he would score that many goals himself though.
He will score. I think he can do 20 a season.
Cats like Felix.
Good player but insanely overrated.
Too many people assume if you’re performing at a high level at 18/19 you’re guaranteed to continue on a linear upwards trajectory.
I’m not against his signing but it’s absolutely a massive gamble at the money some people are talking about.
Too many people assume if you’re performing at a high level at 18/19 you’re guaranteed to continue on a linear upwards trajectory.
I’m not against his signing but it’s absolutely a massive gamble at the money some people are talking about.
that's why I want him here. we have lots of finishers but not enough creators. i dont care if he scored 7/8 for a season but his creativity helped the striker to get 15-20 it's worth it. that balance in the team is vital.
he is recording the highest number of assists in the top 5 European leagues- only Messi is level with it.
My thoughts exactly.
Definitely never worth 100ml range or more. At the prices these days the most he is worth is 70-80 mil.
I'm sure part of the 'hype' for him comes from him being an ex city player.
No. It comes from him being one of the very best English players coming through, and us being Man Utd, a club that has a history of having the best English talents.
How often have the very best English players coming through died on their arse, however?
The hype absolutely comes from the fact it’s a position we’ve been desperately trying to fill for at least five years.
How often have you watched him?
He's got everything in his locker to be a top, top player, and would already be an enormous asset to us in his current guise. He just needs to add consistency to his game, which I'm sure he'll get.
He's very intelligent for a young lad, has loads of ability but is understandably raw. If the fans were prepared to accept some inconsistent performances he'd end up a top player.
More likely half of the caf would be on his back within 5 games though.
More likely half of the caf would be on his back within 5 games though.
Agreed, £100M, not a chance. If he has that much potential he should have pissed all over them tonight. Odoi looks the better prospect.
Think the hype just comes from the hype to be honest. Once a few start everyone does. Good player that I doubt many have seen much of but rate insanely highly.
Happens every season and this year it happens to be an Englishman.
Could become great but impossible to say in my opinion. The same was said of Depay wasn’t it?
Happens every season and this year it happens to be an Englishman.
Could become great but impossible to say in my opinion. The same was said of Depay wasn’t it?
Both him and Hudson-Odoi looked nervous but the quality also shone through at times. He’s a no-brainer IMO.
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There are some talents that make everything look easy and have that ability to do the right things almost all of the time. Sancho fits in that category. Memphis was over hyped due to his goal stats and people not taking into consideration the league he was playing in. But Memphis aged 19 only had 489mins in Eredivisie in any case, he had the 20 goals season in 14/15 I think when he was aged 21.
What Sancho is doing at his age is incredibly rare and thats why he's being talked up as a special talent. Anyone with eyes can see it if you watch him enough, his talent is obvious.
I’m not comparing him directly with Depay. Just saying it could easily be a similar situation where they get hyped up massively and end up just another decent footballer, and not the next world beater as many are quick to make him out to be. I’m also not saying that won’t happen either.
Reminder - he's only 18 (19 on Monday). Sancho has 9 goals and 17 assists this season. He's been at least partly responsible for 26 goals therefore and the season isn't yet over. That's more than anyone in our squad.
To put that into context, in Cristiano Ronaldo's equivalent age season at United, he got 6 goals and 9 assists (9 goals and 10 assists the season he turned 20, 12 goals, 9 assists the one he turned 21, 23 goals and 20 assists when he turned 22). In Lionel Messi's equivalent age season, he scored 8 and assisted 4 (17 goals and 3 assists the season he turned 20, 16 goals and 15 assists the one he turned 21).
Albeit the Bundesliga is different to La Liga and the Premier League, it took Ronaldo and Messi til the seasons they turned 22 and 21 respectively to be responsible for more goals than Sancho in the season he turns 19. Not bad going.
I'm not saying he has the potential of Messi and Ronaldo but his young career has started spectacularly. He's English and appears to have all the tools to be an elite player for many years - he's fast, a good passer, intelligent in his final product, skilful, adopts good positions, hard working and motivated. There's some criticism of his first touch based on tonight but I've seen a lot of him and he's usually excellent in that regard. Don't forget it was his first competitive England start tonight so it may be nerves. Many of us have seen Sancho before he signed for Dortmund; especially in the England U17 World Cup winning side where he was outstanding.
The boy's a serious, serious talent. Yes, signing him for £100m plus (try £140m plus) is a gamble. But would you have turned down Mbappe after his breakthrough season at Monaco? Top tier talent is worth investing in. Even if he maintains his current level and doesn't develop, he'd still be a useful addition to us but all signs point to him getting much, much better.
To put that into context, in Cristiano Ronaldo's equivalent age season at United, he got 6 goals and 9 assists (9 goals and 10 assists the season he turned 20, 12 goals, 9 assists the one he turned 21, 23 goals and 20 assists when he turned 22). In Lionel Messi's equivalent age season, he scored 8 and assisted 4 (17 goals and 3 assists the season he turned 20, 16 goals and 15 assists the one he turned 21).
Albeit the Bundesliga is different to La Liga and the Premier League, it took Ronaldo and Messi til the seasons they turned 22 and 21 respectively to be responsible for more goals than Sancho in the season he turns 19. Not bad going.
I'm not saying he has the potential of Messi and Ronaldo but his young career has started spectacularly. He's English and appears to have all the tools to be an elite player for many years - he's fast, a good passer, intelligent in his final product, skilful, adopts good positions, hard working and motivated. There's some criticism of his first touch based on tonight but I've seen a lot of him and he's usually excellent in that regard. Don't forget it was his first competitive England start tonight so it may be nerves. Many of us have seen Sancho before he signed for Dortmund; especially in the England U17 World Cup winning side where he was outstanding.
The boy's a serious, serious talent. Yes, signing him for £100m plus (try £140m plus) is a gamble. But would you have turned down Mbappe after his breakthrough season at Monaco? Top tier talent is worth investing in. Even if he maintains his current level and doesn't develop, he'd still be a useful addition to us but all signs point to him getting much, much better.
Still think Greenwood, Gomes and Chong could save us a lot of money here.
Some people are desperate to bring him down a peg as they're contrarian. Just watch him play some more in the Bundesliga. There were only like 2-3 instances where defenders nicked the ball off him that maybe clouding the performance today. He was good otherwise. But hey, if an average performance for an 18 year old is an assist recorded that's good.
Not surprised to see people on here calling him overrated now, it's textbook caf reaction.
Chong
Bit of a silly reaction IMO.
Chong obviously has quality, I assume you're laughing because you think he is terrible and has no chance at making it at United?
Consensus swings like a pendulum. All it takes is one or two going against the tide to swing it back the other way.
This is the player you guys want to spend 100mil on? Really hope he stays and Dortmund for another season so we can see more growth.
I’d much rather prefer Hudson Odoi to him to be honest. More pace better dribbler and better athlete. Also would be much cheaper given his contract is up in 2020.
Really hope he stays and Dortmund for another season so we can see more growth.I’d much rather prefer Hudson Odoi to him to be honest. More pace better dribbler and better athlete. Also would be much cheaper given his contract is up in 2020.
Looking back it was a bit uncalled for, but I can't help but laugh when people on here think Chong is a potential solution to our right wing problem.
It's because Chong isn't as good technically as Sancho, isn't doing as well as Sancho is despite playing in the much inferior u23 league, and is also older.
I don't think Chong should be ruled out. If he can get a few pounds of muscle, and improve his decision making, he could become really good. He's just more raw.
from these lads just chong is in sancho position and he has years to play regularly for us if he can any. also i think we have enough money for bringing him with matic replacement this summer. others area are strong enough for title challenging.
Sancho, the guy who is averaging 3.2 dribbles a game in the Bundesliga at age 18, same as Dembele when he was 19 in the Bundesliga.This is the player you guys want to spend 100mil on?
I’d much rather prefer Hudson Odoi to him to be honest. More pace better dribbler and better athlete. Also would be much cheaper given his contract is up in 2020.
You're embarrassing yourself.
I've got no problem with Sancho coming here; especially if he becomes this creative false 9 type player that drifts out wide to provide assists to strikers.
I only say that because we have Martial, Rashford, Greenwood & Lukaku - 4 strikers and adding one winger to unlock the hatchet seems a bit confusing.
I think Greenwood can do the RF role whilst the LF role is left for Rashford or Martial. We need that CAM/ False 9 to create things centrally if we play with two strikers.
Sancho as a RW makes MArtial our LW and I am tired of seeing him playing there. Sancho as a wide drifting false 9 makes much more sense.
Greenwood has the potential to be Rashford/martial with a left foot and add a sync to our game.
You’re the one embarrassing yourself If you think he is worth 100 mil. You get too excited over 3.2 dribbles in a league with no physicality. Let’s stop the overrating of English players especially after they’ve featured for just over 1 season.
Yeah as if it's just the 3.2 dribbles that matter. I just cited that statistic because of you insulting his dribbling ability which is insane considering stats back up his quality in that department.
Should I cite his end product at age 18? How about his very slightly superior technical ability to Odoi? Should I continue with the stats comparing him to Dembele at age 19 in a similar league? You know the player that Dortmund sold for 100mil?
Oh, but he's English so it doesn't count. He's the next Zaha in your eyes thanks to his background.
City sold him with a buy back clause .....we’d have more chance of signing Prince Harry.
Excellently said.
Don't think he would choose City. City can replace him if for example he has a bad few performances. United can't really do that. So from a personal standpoint, he wouldn't go back to City. Plus there's the back handed compliment Pep gave him a week ago.
In the end it's up to the player.
Seen a few posts above saying they’d sign Odoi over Sancho. Why?
Odoi who is obviously a good prospect but has only played a hand full of Europa games and hasn’t even started a league game yet. Also isn’t he more of a left winger. Sancho is a right sided player which United need and well his stats are in this thread.
Odoi who is obviously a good prospect but has only played a hand full of Europa games and hasn’t even started a league game yet. Also isn’t he more of a left winger. Sancho is a right sided player which United need and well his stats are in this thread.
I think the fact he's not blisteringly fast has seen is passing and decision making develop quicker than most young wingers as he needs to use the ball more astutely as he isn't going to burn defenders off. He was decent tonight and has played pretty well in most games I've seen him in for Dortmund, the price they want is excessive though due to the silly money Mbappe and Dembele went for.
Personally I'd wait another season as I think this team needs a more experienced attacker added to the front 3, those that think that Martial/Rashford/Sancho is ihe ticket have to realize we'd only be competing for top 4, you aren't going to get the goals or consistency out of that front 3 for anything more, and given none of our strikers can hold the ball up it's not really an ideal trio of complimentary skillsets.
Personally I'd wait another season as I think this team needs a more experienced attacker added to the front 3, those that think that Martial/Rashford/Sancho is ihe ticket have to realize we'd only be competing for top 4, you aren't going to get the goals or consistency out of that front 3 for anything more, and given none of our strikers can hold the ball up it's not really an ideal trio of complimentary skillsets.
It's a first option, which they most likely will not use to spend 100m+ on a position thats already well stocked.
I’m not sure how the buy back clause actually works, but i’d imagine if City want him back then there’s not much we can do about it. Although I understand City are under investigation for breach of Financial Fair Play, a City transfer ban would make things interesting.
Sancho is far better and will have significantly better career than Hudson Odoi in my opinion.
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