Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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Frenkie De Jong went for about £70m did he not? And he seems like a genuine superstar potentially.

Is that not also a bit of a benchmark?

No doubt Dortmund got a good fee for Pulisic. Can’t help but feel he and Dembele were overpriced for one reason or another though.

Fees will probably start to settle down a bit, now, I reckon.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
Frenkie De Jong went for about £70m did he not? And he seems like a genuine superstar potentially.

Is that not also a bit of a benchmark?

No doubt Dortmund got a good fee for Pulisic. Can’t help but feel he and Dembele were overpriced for one reason or another though.

Fees will probably start to settle down a bit, now, I reckon.
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Well he's a DM, attackers go for way more generally
Dembele was overpriced, especially because they knew Barca had the Neymar money
I expect him to cost 100 mill, whether that's 100 mill plus add ons or including add ons will depend on how he performs for the rest of the season and how badly he wants to move
 
Cliche Guevara said:
Frenkie De Jong went for about £70m did he not? And he seems like a genuine superstar potentially.

Is that not also a bit of a benchmark?

No doubt Dortmund got a good fee for Pulisic. Can’t help but feel he and Dembele were overpriced for one reason or another though.

Fees will probably start to settle down a bit, now, I reckon.
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Sanche7 said:
Well he's a DM, attackers go for way more generally
Dembele was overpriced, especially because they knew Barca had the Neymar money
I expect him to cost 100 mill, whether that's 100 mill plus add ons or including add ons will depend on how he performs for the rest of the season and how badly he wants to move
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Not only that, Ajax had come to accept De Jong wanted to leave and were happy to sell. Dortmund, on the other hand, are dead set against selling this summer.
It would take a fee they feel they won't receive in the future to be convinced to sell now. Precedent matters and it would be exactly the same scenario as Dembele.
Another point is Dortmund's revenues more than double Ajax's
 
Off course United will not pay €100m.

If we’re interested then we talk about approximately 50m as a base fee and then performance related ad ons, maximum €75-80m in total. If Dortmund want all of it up front then maximum €60-65m. Reality check please.

Personally I like Sancho a lot but at the same time I ask myself if he’s that special talent that we want him to be? He’s young, English, good friend with Rashford and so on but maybe we’re a little bit to fast to judge him. My heart says yes but my experience and wisdom tells me to calm down a little. Maybe give him another season in Dortmund before making a decision.

If I’m strictly neutral I prefer a Sadio Mané type of player. Everytime I have seen Diego Dalot up front we look much more dangerous then without him. A right wing with both Dalot and a pacy winger would IMO be the best long term solution.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
Frenkie De Jong went for about £70m did he not? And he seems like a genuine superstar potentially.

Is that not also a bit of a benchmark?

No doubt Dortmund got a good fee for Pulisic. Can’t help but feel he and Dembele were overpriced for one reason or another though.

Fees will probably start to settle down a bit, now, I reckon.
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I agree that FdJ looks like a nailed on superstar, but in terms of being proven, surely being proven in the German league ranks higher than the Dutch league?

FdJ is also three years older. If Sancho keeps developing at this rate, he might be worth £200m in three years (he might also be worth £30m), and that's why it's somewhat possible that a team will pay £100m for him this summer, but that's the risk you take with young players.
 
FFK Norway said:
Paying 90£ for Sancho is ridiculous. He has only one good season behind him. Better then to buy Ødegaard then from Real Madrid for 30£.

And then Sander Berge dm for maybe 35£
Biggest talent in that position in the world.
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*checks username*

Makes sense.

Talented lads I’m sure though!
 
People talk as if £100m is too much for Sancho, but why would Dortmund consider anything less? Why would they even consider £100m? It's not like they need the money.
 
7even said:
Off course United will not pay €100m.

If we’re interested then we talk about approximately 50m as a base fee and then performance related ad ons, maximum €75-80m in total. If Dortmund want all of it up front then maximum €60-65m. Reality check please.

Personally I like Sancho a lot but at the same time I ask myself if he’s that special talent that we want him to be? He’s young, English, good friend with Rashford and so on but maybe we’re a little bit to fast to judge him. My heart says yes but my experience and wisdom tells me to calm down a little. Maybe give him another season in Dortmund before making a decision.

If I’m strictly neutral I prefer a Sadio Mané type of player. Everytime I have seen Diego Dalot up front we look much more dangerous then without him. A right wing with both Dalot and a pacy winger would IMO be the best long term solution.
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Sancho is pacey, not sure why you think he's slow? He's clocked the same speed that Leon Bailey has in the Bundesliga and many think of him as fast. I'd wager he's just as quick as Dalot.

Anyway the way he plays isn't about flat out speed, it's more balance/agility which IMO is more important.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Sancho is pacey, not sure why you think he's slow? He's clocked the same speed that Leon Bailey has in the Bundesliga and many think of him as fast. I'd wager he's just as quick as Dalot.

Anyway the way he plays isn't about flat out speed, it's more balance/agility which IMO is more important.
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My guess is because they've seen him slow play down so assume he's slow. He's very fast when he wants to be, some of the Dortmund counters this season have shown that. What I really like about Sancho is that he assesses the situation and when possible plays the ball to a better position. He doesn't run down blind alleys and then plays a hopeful cross to nothing. If he did move here the fans would absolutely love him.
 
RedSky said:
My guess is because they've seen him slow play down so assume he's slow. He's very fast when he wants to be, some of the Dortmund counters this season have shown that. What I really like about Sancho is that he assesses the situation and when possible plays the ball to a better position. He doesn't run down blind alleys and then plays a hopeful cross to nothing. If he did move here the fans would absolutely love him.
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Yeah that's probably it. He likes to stop people dead like Hazard does, then speeds up quickly with his acceleration and balance to blow people away.

Some people find that frustrating, but it's just the way he plays. Probably why he gets plenty of assists / makes the right decisions as he doesn't rush it.

Some fans have some very unrealistic expectations. The guys 18, one of the best players in the Bundesliga and they aren't sure if he's that talented. We've got youth talents only just making our bench at 19+.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Some fans have some very unrealistic expectations. The guys 18, one of the best players in the Bundesliga and they aren't sure if he's that talented. We've got youth talents only just making our bench at 19+.
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Indeed. Last time I got this excited watching a player was Neymar and the time before that Rooney. He's clearly going to be a top, top player. He just oozes class. I just hope it's us that manage to eventually sign him be that this summer or the next.
 
matsdf said:
People talk as if £100m is too much for Sancho, but why would Dortmund consider anything less? Why would they even consider £100m? It's not like they need the money.
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At the very least he'd have to hand in a transfer request. But yes, after selling Pulisic Dortmund certainly have no need to sell him. Unless they think hes a one season wonder and they wont get such interest next season if he has 2nd season syndrome. Therefore they could hold out for £500 million if they wanted.

Long term though an unhappy player is not the best thing to have.

Personally I wouldn't sell Pogba for less than £200 million right now. But that doesn't mean that if I supported another club, I'd want them to spend £200 million on Pogba.
 
I don't know why supporters get caught up in money and value of transfers, as long as the club is financially secure, I don't care how much we spend on any player. To me, all players are judged equally on the pitch. They must perform to the standards of the club, not justify the fee.
 
I wonder how much the hype would be if he was still in the PL.

Think he has been elevated a tad high for performances in the bundesliga - and for every Son or Firminho there is also a Keita.

I've got nothing against him coming here if he does - I will be happy - but I wouldn't be expecting performances of the levels maybe his more die hard fans might want. The way he sometimes plays reminds me of Aaron Lennon or the young theo Walcott. :rolleyes:
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
I wonder how much the hype would be if he was still in the PL.

Think he has been elevated a tad high for performances in the bundesliga - and for every Son or Firminho there is also a Keita.

I've got nothing against him coming here if he does - I will be happy - but I wouldn't be expecting performances of the levels maybe his more die hard fans might want. The way he sometimes plays reminds me of Aaron Lennon or the young theo Walcott. :rolleyes:
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Aaron Lennon... I'm just quoting this to make sure you can't edit it. :lol:
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
I wonder how much the hype would be if he was still in the PL.

Think he has been elevated a tad high for performances in the bundesliga - and for every Son or Firminho there is also a Keita.

I've got nothing against him coming here if he does - I will be happy - but I wouldn't be expecting performances of the levels maybe his more die hard fans might want. The way he sometimes plays reminds me of Aaron Lennon or the young theo Walcott. :rolleyes:
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If he was still in the EPL, Guardiola would've given him the odd few minutes here and there.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
I wonder how much the hype would be if he was still in the PL.

Think he has been elevated a tad high for performances in the bundesliga - and for every Son or Firminho there is also a Keita.

I've got nothing against him coming here if he does - I will be happy - but I wouldn't be expecting performances of the levels maybe his more die hard fans might want. The way he sometimes plays reminds me of Aaron Lennon or the young theo Walcott. :rolleyes:
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I genuinely don’t understand what you watch? He’s the polar opposite of kick and run players like Walcott / Lennon / bale on LW.
 
He's not even that quick. Comparisons with Lennon and Walcott are bizarre.
 
If we are going to set up with a front 3, it seems like the perfect signing for us with Sanchez and Mata leaving and/or not cutting it.

Sign Sancho and promote Greenwood.

Lukaku
Rashford
Martial
Lingard
Sancho
Greenwood

Seems like a solid and well rounded group both for next season and beyond.

With our current team structure we could really do with an individually skilled attacker on the right, as that is where a lot of the space is since we try to overload the left frequently. Just see the impact that having someone like Dalot on that side has had at times.
 
Lash said:
*checks username*

Makes sense.

Talented lads I’m sure though!
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Berge is the real deal. Went abroad at 19 and instantly became one of the most important players in a resurgent national team. We really struggle without him. I’d actually love it if we took a punt on him as a Matic like player with more mobility (obviously not on Matic level yet). Would be a cheap young option with potential. Pass on Ødegaard, though!
 
Handré1990 said:
Berge is the real deal. Went abroad at 19 and instantly became one of the most important players in a resurgent national team. We really struggle without him. I’d actually love it if we took a punt on him as a Matic like player with more mobility (obviously not on Matic level yet). Would be a cheap young option with potential. Pass on Ødegaard, though!
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He's way too injury prone.
 
For me, it's not pace or quickness that makes Sancho the attacking threat that he is. It's his close control combined with the anticipation and accuracy of his passing that would make him so dynamic in Ole's United attack. Add Chong to the 100m for Sancho and I can't see Dortmund refusing the move.
 
Buying this guy is a no brainer. Haven't owned a right winger since Nani. If we come out of this window without one again I will be crying with how laughable this club is run in terms of planning.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Buying this guy is a no brainer. Haven't owned a right winger since Nani. If we come out of this window without one again I will be crying with how laughable this club is run in terms of planning.
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When you think about it, this resurgence is most likely down to a recommendation by SAF or Bobby Charlton. Woodward was definitely not thinking about Ole since he sanctioned an extension for Mourinho. So I can reasonably see us not getting a DoF and neglecting obvious weaknesses in the team again.
 
7even said:
Off course United will not pay €100m.

If we’re interested then we talk about approximately 50m as a base fee and then performance related ad ons, maximum €75-80m in total. If Dortmund want all of it up front then maximum €60-65m. Reality check please.

Personally I like Sancho a lot but at the same time I ask myself if he’s that special talent that we want him to be? He’s young, English, good friend with Rashford and so on but maybe we’re a little bit to fast to judge him. My heart says yes but my experience and wisdom tells me to calm down a little. Maybe give him another season in Dortmund before making a decision.

If I’m strictly neutral I prefer a Sadio Mané type of player. Everytime I have seen Diego Dalot up front we look much more dangerous then without him. A right wing with both Dalot and a pacy winger would IMO be the best long term solution.
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I hate Sadio Mane type wingers. Look flashy on videos and have good games, but very inconsistent. Mane doesn't look in control of what he's doing a lot of the time, i doubt he even knows what he's going to do next.

I prefer the Sanchos or Neymars that are still tricky but have better technical levels.
 
breakout67 said:
When you think about it, this resurgence is most likely down to a recommendation by SAF or Bobby Charlton. Woodward was definitely not thinking about Ole since he sanctioned an extension for Mourinho. So I can reasonably see us not getting a DoF and neglecting obvious weaknesses in the team again.
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The minimum we can do this window is a RW ideally Sanch a CB and a RB or DM imo.

Anything less is a farce and proves once again we don't want to compete. A right winger and CB are our most needed signings imo.
 
laughtersassassin said:
The minimum we can do this window is a RW ideally Sanch a CB and a RB or DM imo.

Anything less is a farce and proves once again we don't want to compete. A right winger and CB are our most needed signings imo.
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It would be a farce. A leader at the back and an attacking threat from the right side has been missing for 6 years. We've been using fullbacks and no.10s on the right for ages and gotten nowhere.
 
It's sad that we have converted wingers at RB and last 2 times a RB playing RW has made a difference. I fail to see how RW is not our most obvious and biggest hole.
 
Does anyone think Dalot could be converted to RW? He has been played there a couple of times now by Ole. Maybe this is an option so the money can be spent elsewhere
 
wolvored said:
Does anyone think Dalot could be converted to RW? He has been played there a couple of times now by Ole. Maybe this is an option so the money can be spent elsewhere
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Dalot should be our RB. He is easily better than young already.
 
wolvored said:
Does anyone think Dalot could be converted to RW? He has been played there a couple of times now by Ole. Maybe this is an option so the money can be spent elsewhere
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But again why convert? Why not do things usual way playing a RB at RB and get a proper RW, instead of doing what we have been and lamenting lack of a RW for 5 yrs now.
 
Dalot on the right will get nowhere near Sancho. Sancho is already one of the best in his position at 18. He is in the same mould as Rooney, Hazard and Neymar, performed at a high level as a teen and will be a complete player in early twenties.
 
Sancho and Dalot would give us an incredible right side, lets hope it happens, furthermore lets also see if Woodward is prepared to put money where mouth is, ie long term signings!
 
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