Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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stepic said:
fair point. no guarantee he would do that though, if he stays longer he may well sign another contract. i don't think we're in a position to wait, it's not like he would struggle for minutes with us, we need a RW. better for him to develop here with us alongside Martial and Rashford than stay in Dortmund, on the hope that maybe in a couple of years we can save a few quid.
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It's always a possibility he'll renew, but it's an outside chance. The lure of Dortmund for these players of this level of potential is to be used s a stepping stone, not to spend their best years there. It's what Dembele and Pulisic did. It works for BVB as well, as they make a hefty profit on it. Renewing could lead to ungodly demands by BVB and pricing potential suitors away and that's not in the interest of Sancho so long he's in demand.

You make it sound like getting him early only has advantages, but it's not the case. Too much expectation and a hefty price tag on young shoulders can have quite adverse consequences for his development. And if he keeps developing according to his talent there, you have a less risky purchase; a more mature, more accomplished player, yet still very young and malleable.

If you wait too long you could lose him too though, so there's risks either way.
 
stepic said:
i'm not arguing that English players don't go for more. i agree they do. you seemed to be suggesting the only reason they do is because clubs don't want to lose English players, which isn't the issue given most mid table clubs have an abundance of English players.
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I don't know what your arguing about to be perfectly honest but you called me dellusional so I'd like to hear how you think there's going to be this special English premium when buying from a foreign league
 
MadMike said:
You make it sound like getting him early only has advantages, but it's not the case. Too much expectation and a hefty price tag on young shoulders can have quite adverse consequences for his development. And if he keeps developing according to his talent there, you have a less risky purchase; a more mature, more accomplished player, yet still very young and malleable.
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well, i gotta admit, there is definitely an inner muppet factor at play, trying to burst out Alien style
 
Grib said:
I don't know what your arguing about to be perfectly honest but you called me dellusional so I'd like to hear how you think there's going to be this special English premium when buying from a foreign league
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all i'm saying is that Dortmund's valuation of Sancho if United are interested will have been spiked somewhat by the fact he's English, and we're an English club. it'll also be spiked by the fact we're a rich club, among other things. it's no different to why English clubs sell their best English players at a premium -- there is simply a premium for English clubs to have the top quality English players.
 
KennyBurner said:
Incredible pace? Can’t be jadon sancho you’ve been watching? His pace is decent. Rashford, martial, mbappe, dembele are players with incredible pace.
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Sancho is about as quick as martial. He is also going to get a little faster as his body develops fully.
 
Shaw Mee Tah Mané said:
Martial was £54m, same age and less proven. Thats 4 years ago, since then prices have skyrocketed and Sancho is English. I can't see him go for anything less than £100m, and he will be worth it.
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This.

SquishyMcSquish said:
:lol: 70 million in 2019 for probably the biggest English talent who is only 18 and already tearing it up in a top league.
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This.

So many delusional out-of-town posters in here.

It's 2019.

The kid is a true potential superstar and poster boy. And he's 18 and English.

Dembele money MINIMUM.
 
Given the clubs current situation and stature ("mixed" shall we say), if we do not move aggressively for this kid this summer, I think it would be utter negligence.

What other real prospects for adding a potentially top tier attacker?
 
Grib said:
The fact that he's English doesn't affect his price
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Of course it does. How misinformed can you possibly be?

It's simple economics.

He is English. The wealthiest league by far is the PL.

As such, domestic talent for that league is obviously more valuable because clubs have the money, want it, and there is a finite amount it.

SquishyMcSquish said:
He's not worth 60-70m even if you take away the English factor. He's an 18 year old starting for a title challenging side and ripping it up, in this market a club who don't need to sell like Dortmund will easily be looking at 100m+ regardless of nationality.

We'll agree to disagree on the English thing. I definitely think a shrewd selling club will be aware of how valuable someone like Sancho could be to a top English team, and they will bare that in mind when selling.
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Hilarious.

As others have pointed out, Martial went for £57m with far less of a profile to his name.

He had not lit up Ligue 1 like Sancho has the Bunedsliga.

But more importantly, that was FOUR YEARS AGO during which time transfer fees have pretty much DOUBLED.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I’d like to see Dalot given a run at right wing before splashing out on Sancho.
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Dalot is not a winger as such. He's done well over there but his best position is that of a RWB who bombs on and provides width. Our next RW could be someone who plays inverted. so a left footed RW would be favorable. I think Nicolas Pepe is the best option for the amount you would need to buy him. He'll cost about 45m which isn't bad at all.
 
pocco said:
What about £60m up front, £10m if we win the league and he plays 25 games, £10m if he wins Ballon D'or, £5m when he's played 50 games etc?

Nobody will be paying £100m up front. The above is something more likely.
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That would be grand I suppose yeah. He would fit nicely on the right of a young homegrown attack!
 
Adam-Utd said:
The problem is we don't have to pay what we value him at, we have to pay what Dortmund will required to sell him early.

Sometimes that requires overpaying, just like Barca did with Dembele. At the end of the day we either want the player, or we go elsewhere for a cheaper option. We shall see how badly we want him.
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Yes, fair point.
 
lets give him a year more in Germany to see if he can continuously perform week in week out, rather then look great against Stuttgart or Mainz then disappear over 2 matches against Spurs and better bundesliga opposition, for a £100 mil I'd expect Sterling quality not look like Januzaj under Moyes or Depay for Lyon who have looked more impressive for me over a sustained period but are not United quality.
 
Judas said:
Bet he'd love to be part of nights like tonight with us :drool:
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Trust Ole to make the right decision about his transfer.
 
OGSaviour said:
lets give him a year more in Germany to see if he can continuously perform week in week out, rather then look great against Stuttgart or Mainz then disappear over 2 matches against Spurs and better bundesliga opposition, for a £100 mil I'd expect Sterling quality not look like Januzaj under Moyes or Depay for Lyon who have looked more impressive for me over a sustained period but are not United quality.
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There is a good chance PSG will be all over him this summer, they already had their fingers on him in the winter. If we want him, which we should, we probably have to make a move for him this summer. Add to that the fact that our right side isn't really blessed with loads of quality or depth and it seems like a reasonable choice to make a move this summer even though I'm sure he will cost as much as Dembele.
 
He's exactly the sort of player we should be signing.

Imagine him ahead of Dalot next season? would be an incredible improvement on what we've had the last few years. Especially with Ole here to get the best out of him.
 
I think his development would benefit from another year, I just don't think we have the luxury of leaving him now and not making a move, we need to act fast.
 
Can't believe some of you were posting in the transfer forum whilst the game was ongoing.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Given the clubs current situation and stature ("mixed" shall we say), if we do not move aggressively for this kid this summer, I think it would be utter negligence.

What other real prospects for adding a potentially top tier attacker?
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Him and Joao Felix seem to be on the very shortlist of ‘next.’ We’ve been linked to both, even if only tenuously.

I guess you could place Dybala as a possibility for adding a top tier attacker, but I don’t know much about that.
 
An Irish Red said:
He's exactly the sort of player we should be signing.

Imagine him ahead of Dalot next season? would be an incredible improvement on what we've had the last few years. Especially with Ole here to get the best out of him.
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Exactly. Sancho can hold the ball well enough to give Dalot time to overlap, and with him flying down the outside it'll give Sancho all the room in the world to beat his man. Match made in heaven!

I'm almost certain this will happen. People in Europe are going to start noticing us again now.
 
I like the kid but it wouldn't be 'negligence' if we didn't sign him. He is not a worldbeater yet. Say we sign Pepe, for example, and Sancho stays on at Dortmund - I would be happy with that.
 
It's always a risk paying so much for a young boy. It's not a given that he would build on his level of maturity but he's a talent. However, we shouldn't ignore our young talents and we do need 3/4 players - perhaps more if lots leave so let's wait and see.
 
sincher said:
I like the kid but it wouldn't be 'negligence' if we didn't sign him. He is not a worldbeater yet. Say we sign Pepe, for example, and Sancho stays on at Dortmund - I would be happy with that.
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He's the type of player you take a punt on because of what he might become, not what he is right now. He's clearly got the skill and a pretty decent end product given his age but he's also got the balls to go try make it in a foreign league as well. Reading Lingard's experiences of life in a hotel near Leicester, can only imagine the impact of a young lad moving to Dortmund. Also I like that he didn't risk losing time in his development by sitting on the City bench.
 
GBBQ said:
He's the type of player you take a punt on because of what he might become, not what he is right now. He's clearly got the skill and a pretty decent end product given his age but he's also got the balls to go try make it in a foreign league as well. Reading Lingard's experiences of life in a hotel near Leicester, can only imagine the impact of a young lad moving to Dortmund. Also I like that he didn't risk losing time in his development by sitting on the City bench.
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That's understating it. He has 12 assists and 8 goals in 24 games / 1 600 minutes of Bundesliga football this season. That's great end product, even for a player in his prime. The fact that he's 18 makes the end product mind blowing.
 
Given what it would cost to bring him here would posters be ok of he was the only signing we made this summer.
 
zenith said:
Given what it would cost to bring him here would posters be ok of he was the only signing we made this summer.
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Well, we should be spending more than 100m this window.

Liverpool
Chelsea
Wolves
West Ham
Everton
Leicester
Bournemouth
Brighton
Fulham

All the above spent more than us last season (i'm not talking about Net Spend). We bought 82.7m in, Sancho would be valued between 70-110m. We should be able to get 2 signings in at least, our highest spend has been 198.4m, wouldn't be shocked if we beat that this Summer, this is a feel good wave, now's the time to invest.
 
RedSky said:
Well, we should be spending more than 100m this window.

Liverpool
Chelsea
Wolves
West Ham
Everton
Leicester
Bournemouth
Brighton
Fulham

All the above spent more than us last season (i'm not talking about Net Spend). We bought 82.7m in, Sancho would be valued between 70-110m. We should be able to get 2 signings in at least, our highest spend has been 198.4m, wouldn't be shocked if we beat that this Summer, this is a feel good wave, now's the time to invest.
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By most accounts hiring Poch would cost us 40m, so add that to the warchest and Sancho will only cost us circa 60 :drool:
 
Adam-Utd said:
By most accounts hiring Poch would cost us 40m, so add that to the warchest and Sancho will only cost us circa 60 :drool:
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I'm convinced they held back in the Summer after the Sevilla fiasco. They decided to give Jose a chance to redeem himself and it all went tits up, they decided to go hard for Pochettino this Summer and got Ole in but had no idea he'd do this. So ultimately, I think you're right, they sandbagged some money last summer with the view of it being used to hire the next Manager. With that money now saved (imagine we'll be paying Molde some money) we can reinvest that back into the squad, probably at least 25m back in the kitty. :drool:
 
RedSky said:
I'm convinced they held back in the Summer after the Sevilla fiasco. They decided to give Jose a chance to redeem himself and it all went tits up, they decided to go hard for Pochettino this Summer and got Ole in but had no idea he'd do this. So ultimately, I think you're right, they sandbagged some money last summer with the view of it being used to hire the next Manager. With that money now saved (imagine we'll be paying Molde some money) we can reinvest that back into the squad, probably at least 25m back in the kitty. :drool:
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I think so too, which at the time (and still a bit now) I thought was stupid, because you either back the manager, or you get rid.

Hopefully we reap the rewards this summer and really spend big.
 
RedSky said:
I'm convinced they held back in the Summer after the Sevilla fiasco. They decided to give Jose a chance to redeem himself and it all went tits up, they decided to go hard for Pochettino this Summer and got Ole in but had no idea he'd do this. So ultimately, I think you're right, they sandbagged some money last summer with the view of it being used to hire the next Manager. With that money now saved (imagine we'll be paying Molde some money) we can reinvest that back into the squad, probably at least 25m back in the kitty. :drool:
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I'm not so sure it was on purpose, but the way it worked out Maguire / Alderweireld were just too expensive, and not miles better than what we have. Quite rightly Woodward believed the squad was massively under performing, and were better than what they've shown. As we've now seen he was proved to be right. It seems their relationship really soured since the start of the season, and he gave Jose 1 last chance to show he could turn it around, luckily he didn't.

It's a weird set of circumstances that have got us to this stage, but it's like a giant black cloud has lifted and we can finally see the rainbow on the horizon. Give Ole whatever he wants, I have full faith. Sancho would 100% come too. The idea of having Sancho/Rashford/Martial/Greenwood as a front 4 in a few years with Pogba +1 is absolutely spunk worthy.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I'm not so sure it was on purpose, but the way it worked out Maguire / Alderweireld were just too expensive, and not miles better than what we have. Quite rightly Woodward believed the squad was massively under performing, and were better than what they've shown. As we've now seen he was proved to be right. It seems their relationship really soured since the start of the season, and he gave Jose 1 last chance to show he could turn it around, luckily he didn't.

It's a weird set of circumstances that have got us to this stage, but it's like a giant black cloud has lifted and we can finally see the rainbow on the horizon. Give Ole whatever he wants, I have full faith. Sancho would 100% come too. The idea of having Sancho/Rashford/Martial/Greenwood as a front 4 in a few years with Pogba +1 is absolutely spunk worthy.
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Aye, I think having Sancho/Rashford/Martial/Greenwood/Lingard/Lukaku provides all kinds of options. What I really like about Sancho is that he's a very clever player but he's not selfish. He's always looking to feed his teammates and provide the killer end pass and thats something that we lack (we also lack a RW option so kills two birds with one stone). The fact he's got reliable end product at the age of 18 tells its own story. Going to be a fun summer!
 
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