Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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Treble said:
I tend to agree but it's not straightforward. If you want success here and now, you can't rely too much on youngsters who may or may not become top top players. Given our problems with Sanchez, paying 100m for Sancho seems much much better though.
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Yes it's about balance. Someone like Dybala won't be a bad way to spend £100m but it's possible to argue under the right conditions, Sancho is not far off that level and would cost £50m less over the length of a contract.
If it came down to it, I think the club would choose Sancho.
I don't know a big transfer of a very young player in recent years that has flopped. Probably Tielemans and Monaco will still make a profit when they sell. It's why Bayern, normally a very thrifty club were willing to break their record on a player with a bunch of league cup appearances.
 
Lash said:
100m just sounds like the opening gambit to me. He’s probably worth what we paid for Martial.
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Martial hadn't played nearly as much first team football as him and isn't English (and therefore didn't have the English-tax) so I disagree. Sancho is "worth" more, though worth is always relative. Dortmund know how to get good money for their players, just look at Dembele. He will cost an absolute bomb.
 
Adisa said:
I don't know a big transfer of a very young player in recent years that has flopped. It's why Bayern, normally a very thrifty club were willing to break their record on a player with a bunch of league cup appearances.
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Renato Sanches to Bayern wasn't the best transfer.
 
I've only ever watched him play for 45 Minutes yesterday. I then switched my attention to the Real/Ajax game. Simply no clue how good Sancho is at present. However, if spending 100 Million on future potential is somewhat over the top. That amount of money should be on a player who would have an instant impact on a team.
 
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Ekeke said:
No, Dembele was bought for what he was doing. Mbappe was bought for what he was doing.

You don't pay £100 million for potential. You pay a little bit on top of what a player is already capable of on potential.

You don't look at Declan Rice and say hmm he's probably worth a good £30 million right now. But he might improve a lot, so thats £130 million I'll bid for him.

No. You pay a small amount extra.
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You're wrong because a "small amount extra" over the current valuation of a player isn't enough to buy him, in this case.
 
Sultan said:
I've only ever watched him play for 45 Minutes yesterday. I then switched my attention to the Barca/Ajax game. Simply no clue how good Sancho is at present. However, if spending 100 Million on future potential is somewhat over the top. That amount of money should be on a player who would have an instant impact on a team.
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Couldn't have been paying much attention as it was Real, not Barca playing Ajax :lol:
 
I don't even need to read the last few pages to know some on here don't want him anymore :lol: god bless KneejerkCafe.

If anything, if his performances take a downward spiral, good! Maybe we'll get him cheaper. Anyone who is anyone can see the potential, and I'm sure it's not lost on the people at club.
 
Sultan said:
I've only ever watched him play for 45 Minutes yesterday. I then switched my attention to the Barca/Ajax game. Simply no clue how good Sancho is at present. However, if spending 100 Million on future potential is somewhat over the top. That amount of money should be on a player who would have an instant impact on a team.
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He would though simply because we don't own a right Winger and therefore he would instantly make a positive impact no matter what.
 
Judas said:
If anything, if his performances take a downward spiral, good! Maybe we'll get him cheaper. Anyone who is anyone can see the potential, and I'm sure it's not lost on the people at club.
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My initial thought, last thing we want is for him to put in worldies now.
 
laughtersassassin said:
He would though simply because we don't own a right Winger and therefore he would instantly make a positive impact no matter what.
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That's a bit naive, imo. Rashford on either wing would be probably better than Sancho. Maybe Martial too. And this is why Rashford starts for England and will start over Sancho until the latter matures. I can imagine Sanchez being a hit at Dortmund on the right wing. Doesn't make him a good fit at United.
 
SilentWitness said:
He was great in the first half until they targeted him. That alone says a lot.
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Yep. He made a few good chances out of very little and absolutely embarrassed Davinson Sanchez in the process.

It's not often you see teenagers hitting double figures for both goals and assists either. For a point of comparison, one more goal for Sancho this season will see him surpass the numbers Leroy Sane was putting up for Schalke, and his current numbers already put Pulisic to shame.
 
Last night he had the same issue that Martial generally has, completely crowded out of the game. I watched both legs and it's clear that Tottenham set up after the first half of the first leg to nullify him. So I wonder if the same posters that say he was rubbish say the same about Martial when it happens to him? I know a lot of them say he was often double or triple marked, as Sancho was, but I don't remember many saying he's rubbish or definitely not ready to start for United.

I could still see the quality even though it was in fleeting moments. We have to be in for him this summer, because once he gets experience and is lighting up these big games, he'll probably be out of our reach or will cost astronomical figures. The same posters saying he's not ready will then be questioning why we missed out, I've seen it all before on here.

£100m including add-on's for future achievements is fine by me. People are talking as though we will pay £100m straight up, which I doubt would be the case.
 
Didn't see the game last night but if we're being honest another year at Dortmund is probably the best thing for him rather than moving anywhere now
 
pocco said:
Last night he had the same issue that Martial generally has, completely crowded out of the game. I watched both legs and it's clear that Tottenham set up after the first half of the first leg to nullify him. So I wonder if the same posters that say he was rubbish say the same about Martial when it happens to him? I know a lot of them say he was often double or triple marked, as Sancho was, but I don't remember many saying he's rubbish or definitely not ready to start for United.

I could still see the quality even though it was in fleeting moments. We have to be in for him this summer, because once he gets experience and is lighting up these big games, he'll probably be out of our reach or will cost astronomical figures. The same posters saying he's not ready will then be questioning why we missed out, I've seen it all before on here.

£100m including add-on's for future achievements is fine by me. People are talking as though we will pay £100m straight up, which I doubt would be the case.
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You can't nullify both Martial and Sancho at the same time though :drool:

I totally agree with seeing his quality even though he didn't have a huge impact last night. With some players you can just see it with their touch, passing and movement. He's got it.
 
Treble said:
That's a bit naive, imo. Rashford on either wing would be probably better than Sancho. Maybe Martial too. And this is why Rashford starts for England and will start over Sancho until the latter matures. I can imagine Sanchez being a hit at Dortmund on the right wing. Doesn't make him a good fit at United.
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I think what you just said is quite naieve. Most games we play Maya or Lingard right wing. Lingard is good at what he does but is never in the wing and Mata should simply never be there.

Sancho would be a great signing for us.
 
I recognise what a mammoth task it would be to win the battle for both, but if we don't get Sancho or De Ligt this summer, I'm going to be so gutted. I know prices are a whole different ball game these days, but in terms of status in the game these are absolutely textbook Fergie-style signings. De Gea is the last player who was so young but nailed on to be top class like this (although you can argue Van Goal pulled a similar rabbit out of the hat with Martial, albeit with less hype behind him.)

This summer is going to be torture, and I'm not even a transfer muppet.
 
Sultan said:
I've only ever watched him play for 45 Minutes yesterday. I then switched my attention to the Real/Ajax game. Simply no clue how good Sancho is at present. However, if spending 100 Million on future potential is somewhat over the top. That amount of money should be on a player who would have an instant impact on a team.
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He would instantly be the best RW in our squad, that's all I need to know.
 
JJ12 said:
You can't nullify both Martial and Sancho at the same time though :drool:

I totally agree with seeing his quality even though he didn't have a huge impact last night. With some players you can just see it with their touch, passing and movement. He's got it.
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Absolutely. We need that threat down both sides to open up these teams that want to defend compact or more towards our most dangerous side on the left. Teams won't keep out Martial on the left and Sancho on the right with the firepower we have with Pogba and Rashford through the middle. We're talking about an 18 year old kid that is the main concern for Tottenham, that alone just says it all. We've nullified the likes of Hazard and Salah this season, it happens. But you can't afford that when you have threats all over the pitch, which Dortmund didn't have.

Even last night Sancho managed to open Spurs up a few times and, like you said, the quality is so obvious to see. I'm not buying it that he needs to stay at Dortmund, he's ready to develop here. You'd think we were Chelsea the way some posters go on, as though we can't develop a young player. We're probably better than Dortmund at it and he would be a guaranteed starter even at his current level/output.

Sancho would light up Old Trafford next season and these posters would be eating their words.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Martial hadn't played nearly as much first team football as him and isn't English (and therefore didn't have the English-tax) so I disagree. Sancho is "worth" more, though worth is always relative. Dortmund know how to get good money for their players, just look at Dembele. He will cost an absolute bomb.
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Are you sure? I thought he'd played a full season at Monaco. I think Dembele went for so much because of the way Barcelona went about it, I don't think we'd unsettle Sancho in the same way. I think this depends if Dortmund would let him go, which is totally unknown.
 
Treble said:
That's a bit naive, imo. Rashford on either wing would be probably better than Sancho. Maybe Martial too. And this is why Rashford starts for England and will start over Sancho until the latter matures. I can imagine Sanchez being a hit at Dortmund on the right wing. Doesn't make him a good fit at United.
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What?! :lol: No wonder. I’m sorry it’s genuinely nothing personal but I can’t continue a debate with someone who has an extreme opinion such as that. Rashford on the RW is horrible. He’s a incredible striker and can become even better but that’s down the middle or as one of two strikers. He’s slightly better on the LW but he’s a nothing player on the RW. Even Lingard is better coming from the right than Rashford is.

Rashford is definitely not better than Sancho on the right wing. You have absolutely nothing to base that ridiculous claim on. I honestly don’t even understand how you can watch Sancho and think that. I don’t think you’ve seen him play to be honest.
 
Treble said:
That's a bit naive, imo. Rashford on either wing would be probably better than Sancho. Maybe Martial too. And this is why Rashford starts for England and will start over Sancho until the latter matures. I can imagine Sanchez being a hit at Dortmund on the right wing. Doesn't make him a good fit at United.
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Mark my words Sancho is going to take the RW spot for England this year.

The power of imagination eh?
 
Agree that he’d be a great fit for us here as a talented young English player, and that he would instantly be our best right winger but he can definitely still improve and 100 mil is way over the top, but I suppose to be expected in today’s market. 70 m max in my opinion.
 
The Irish Connection said:
Agree that he’d be a great fit for us here as a talented young English player, and that he would instantly be our best right winger but he can definitely still improve and 100 mil is way over the top, but I suppose to be expected in today’s market. 70 m max in my opinion.
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The problem is we don't have to pay what we value him at, we have to pay what Dortmund will required to sell him early.

Sometimes that requires overpaying, just like Barca did with Dembele. At the end of the day we either want the player, or we go elsewhere for a cheaper option. We shall see how badly we want him.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
So is Sancho pals with Rashford and Lingard?

If he is that might be a nice little incentive to come here.

I can't pretend to be an expert on him but from what I've seen he looks very promising. An attacking lineup of Martial Sancho Rashford and Pogba next season would be filth.
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There's 8 years between them so doubt it. He and Rashford likely wouldn't have interacted much either. If he's friends with anyone in the squad it would more likely be Angel Gomes. Sancho follows him on twitter and Gomes tweeted this a few months back.
 
Damien said:
There's 8 years between them so doubt it. He and Rashford likely wouldn't have interacted much either. If he's friends with anyone in the squad it would more likely be Angel Gomes. Sancho follows him on twitter and Gomes tweeted this a few months back.
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What? He'splaying and mixing with adults in Germany but can't be friends with another English player who's also mixed race because he's 8 yrs older?
 
Judas said:
I don't even need to read the last few pages to know some on here don't want him anymore :lol: god bless KneejerkCafe.

If anything, if his performances take a downward spiral, good! Maybe we'll get him cheaper. Anyone who is anyone can see the potential, and I'm sure it's not lost on the people at club.
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In many ways you right, but games like last night do help fill questions on how ready the player is and thus how big the step up might be.

The German league is not the same standard, so its not unreasonable to question if his talent will continue to shine in a strong league.

Many players fail in England.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
What? He'splaying and mixing with adults in Germany but can't be friends with another English player who's also mixed race because he's 8 yrs older?
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No idea where race comes into it. They could be friends but I'm saying I doubt it as they wouldn't have been in any international age groups together and until you get into the first team squad at a club, you'd mostly be interacting with people around your own age.
 
The Irish Connection said:
Agree that he’d be a great fit for us here as a talented young English player, and that he would instantly be our best right winger but he can definitely still improve and 100 mil is way over the top, but I suppose to be expected in today’s market. 70 m max in my opinion.
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What about £60m up front, £10m if we win the league and he plays 25 games, £10m if he wins Ballon D'or, £5m when he's played 50 games etc?

Nobody will be paying £100m up front. The above is something more likely.
 
Judas said:
Lingard is young at heart! :)
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Even with that, I doubt Lingard and Sancho are highly acquainted. If we sign him, sure, I can see him hanging out with Rashford and Lingard but I doubt he would have been in contact with Lingard prior to the last England squad.
 
Damien said:
No idea where race comes into it. They could be friends but I'm saying I doubt it as they wouldn't have been in any international age groups together and until you get into the first team squad at a club, you'd mostly be interacting with people around your own age.
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Mate, the mixed race and black kids in the England squad are pretty tight...what's so unusual about that!
 
I’ve seen a wee bit of him and he looks a good player.

I get the impression he’s rated more highly on this website than anywhere else, however, possibly because of our desperation for someone in that position.

Would he be a good signing? I think he probably would.

Will he cost £100m? I’m not so sure. That seeems a bit steep. There were recent reports that Dortmund had quoted £70m. That seems more realistic to me.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
There were recent reports that Dortmund had quoted £70m. That seems more realistic to me.
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Debunked as BS by their DoF. They got more than 60m for Pulisic already. You'd be a fool to hope for them to sell him that cheap. He's 18, he's the biggest British talent on the wings since ages. They know that.
 
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