I think 50-60M up front, plus another 30-40M in performance based ad-ons for the next 5 years is fair. Both Dortmund and MU should be happy with that kind of deal.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Martial was £54m, same age and less proven. Thats 4 years ago, since then prices have skyrocketed and Sancho is English. I can't see him go for anything less than £100m, and he will be worth it.
Don`t have to be a chief scout in United to see that he is a special talent.
The thought of him scoring against City and City fans raging = Priceless
The thought of him scoring against City and City fans raging = Priceless
Surely he's the odds on favorite to be the next to get the 7 shirt of all players in world football currently? Don't see anyone else that has a better shot currently... Here's to hoping he breaks the curse.
Yep, I just hope we preload it with bonuses like the Martial deal. The sum will look pretty big but if he ticks off the boxes like "score 15 goals in a season" or "wins ballon d'or" etc, then it'll be worth it anyway
70 million in 2019 for probably the biggest English talent who is only 18 and already tearing it up in a top league.After seeing him yesterday against Tottenham I really hope we don't spend 100m on him. He has to show more of his potential before he deserves a pricetag like that.
The fact that he's English doesn't affect his price
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Yes it does and yes it will, certainly if it’s an English club interested. They’ll know they can milk us dry.
Yes it does, English clubs will pay more for a top English talent.
All this talk of 100m pounds is terrible. He is a 60-70m player and we should look elsewhere if Dortmund want more. Hoping Dortmund do the right and not be to greedy this summer if we go in for him.
Erm, no he didn't.
Completed 685mins in Bundesliga, scoring 1 goal with 4 assists. He got a Ligament Injury in February which ruled him out for 6/7 games and then he took it back. Link
As for Pulisic, you'll find a lot of the posters who wanted him hadn't actually watched him play as simply wanted him via the hype of being a 17 year old playing for Dortmund and being on the RW. You'll find numerous posts from people that did watch him play consistently who said he wasn't up to it and looked over hyped.
Sancho Bundesliga Form
2309mins
9 goals
16 assists
Pulisic Bundesliga Form
4736mins
10 goals
16 assists
Sanchos taken less the half the time to match Pulisics stats. He's on a different tier to him and Chelsea are looking a bit stupid paying 70m for him frankly.
Sancho is the "next big thing" but not as much guaranteed to be a success as say someone like Rooney. In short, spending anything in excess of 60m would be too much of a risk IMO. He isn't lightning fast, doesn't have fast feet with high close control and is not particularly strong or wiry.
For those harking back to the days of SAF, I agree. We need to find those gems but like SAF we need to look at unfashionable gems like Yorke or Park were back in the day, or for example, Mane just a couple of years ago.
Ole understands this and I have faith that he will build a team out of the right mix of players rather than focusing on trying to build a Frankenstein-esque team of ill-fitting expensive stars.
For those harking back to the days of SAF, I agree. We need to find those gems but like SAF we need to look at unfashionable gems like Yorke or Park were back in the day, or for example, Mane just a couple of years ago.
Ole understands this and I have faith that he will build a team out of the right mix of players rather than focusing on trying to build a Frankenstein-esque team of ill-fitting expensive stars.
It’s what I’ve been thinking too. He doesn’t look anything like to that amount of money. My first choice is still ousmane dembele for any amount then sancho.
that's great but he's not available. so what's the point?
it's only a thing historically domestically because there are so few English players overseas.
if you don't think Dortmund will take advantage of the fact he's English and an English club is interested to spike the price, then you're delusional.
Best thing for him would to still be staying at Dortmund and get more consistency in. The kid is currently experiencing the pressure to perform weekly and where a lot of expectations are on his shoulders to perform. Once he gets used to it, he will be a beast. He is 18, nothing is running away.
There's 0 chance of Dembele. Barca's his dream club and he's now establishing himself as a first team player there, add that to the fact he was bought for £140m in the wake of Neymar leaving I'd say we've got more chance of finding our own Dembele than signing Barca's one.
Incredible pace? Can’t be jadon sancho you’ve been watching? His pace is decent. Rashford, martial, mbappe, dembele are players with incredible pace.
I still think we should try Greenwood on the right first to see if he has the potential to play there. Spending 100m+ on Sancho is a lot especially when we have other areas to address. I would love Sancho at United and I think he will do well here but I think Greenwood can be just as good
everyone saying he should stay at Dortmund another year to develop further, i assume you'll be happy paying in the region of £150m+ then once he's become even better right?
the more he develops away from United the more he's going to cost. if we have identified him as a player with WC potential, you sign him up ASAP and have him develop here.
the more he develops away from United the more he's going to cost. if we have identified him as a player with WC potential, you sign him up ASAP and have him develop here.
Yeah, delusional sure thing
Its's only a thing domestically as everyone wants to have a decent core of home Nationals (except maybe arsenal) big or small club so prices for ANY decent level of talent domestically is peaked
What do Dortmund care, he's not German, if he's to be sold they'll have a price in mind and that's not going to be set by him being English
Uhhhh, what?
Why would it only be a thing domestically if Dortmund are selling to English clubs? That makes zero sense.
Dortmund know that a top English club having one of the biggest English talents is a big boost to them, so the competition for his signature will be more intense .. clubs will be willing to pay that bit extra.
Erm, no he didn't.
Completed 685mins in Bundesliga, scoring 1 goal with 4 assists. He got a Ligament Injury in February which ruled him out for 6/7 games and then he took it back. Link
Yep, you're right. My bad.
Depends on whether he starts to run his contract down or not. He's got 3 years left, till 2022. He could get couple more years of experience and move on in 2021 at 20 years of age when he's got 1 year left on his contract. It's basically what Pulisic just did.
The point is he isn’t a 100m player and if we’re spending 100m it should be on ready made players or world class players like dembele if they are available. Not saying we shouldn’t sign sancho but we can’t keep overpaying for players because we’re Manchester United. City payed 60m for Mahrez ffs.
It won't, people have already allued to the fact he's no going back to city, Chelsea may well be banned, arsenaa can't afford, Liverpool, duno maybe? The precieved fit is United
So any really competition comes from other clubs who aren't English and aren't going to be paying some made up English tax
Yes, the right thing for Dortmund to do is sell for a cheaper price, how dare they as a club look after their own interests.
He's not a '60-70m player' because there are very few (if any?) 18 year olds putting up stats like him in a top league, he's clearly a unique talent and clubs will pay significantly more for what he potentially could become. Dortmund will also likely be aware of what he might develop in to over the next few years, and may wish to keep hold of him in the likely case he steps up a gear as he develops, meaning they would be able to get potentially twice the fee they could now.
Liverpool would compete I think, particularly if they lost a player. I wouldn't be surprised if City did at least try and talk to the player and Chelsea won't be banned this summer. I would be surprised if any top English club wouldn't at least try and get involved in a possible Sancho deal.
Dortmund don't really want to sell so I doubt they have a price, so if an English club does come in for him they will be aware of how valuable a top English talent would be to that club. It's naive to think they wouldn't add a little extra to the price.
He's got great acceleration but his top end speed is fairly average. Acceleration is more important for football anyway, the way he stops his marker dead then beats them with a trick / faint and then uses his balance when running is more important than flat out top end speed.
Mahrez in 17/18 at the age of 27: 12 goals 10 assists in 34 games, whilst being a set piece/penalty taker for Leicester.
Sancho in 18/19 at the age of 18: 8 goals 10 assists in 17 games, with some of those being as a substitute.
Clubs pay for potential all the time. 100m now will probably be viewed as an absolute bargain in 3-4 years. The longer you wait, the more likelihood is he gets stupidly expensive and the competition only increases.
City spending £60m on Mahrez is further justification that Sancho will go for £100m. Sancho's potential is way more than Mahrez, who doesn't even start for City.
this might be the case with big clubs selling to other big clubs, but middle of the table clubs have no shortage of English players.
You keep mentioning a little, the two bands talked about seem to be 60-70 and 100 if we're talking a little I consider what 5 mil
The fact you said '''were talking about the top English talent at 19 for 70mil" or something along those lines then went all
leads me to assume you precieve his value at much much more than this and heavily due to the fact he's EnglishI've no clue what he'd cost and no I doubt Dortmund are Keen to sell but I'll stand by the point him being English isn't going to have anything to do with his value if they decided too sell
They'll sell if they receive an offer that makes financial and footballing sense to them. It could be that they wouldn't be interested in selling him unless they got 150 million to secure other targets they like, that won't suddenly change to 155 or 170 because he's English, they won't sell him to Barca for 140 because they're only Spanish and no English teams fancied it
fair point. no guarantee he would do that though, if he stays longer he may well sign another contract. i don't think we're in a position to wait, it's not like he would struggle for minutes with us, we need a RW. better for him to develop here with us alongside Martial and Rashford than stay in Dortmund, on the hope that maybe in a couple of years we can save a few quid.
What?
Premiums domestically (not between big clubs)
Andy Carroll, James Milner, Ashely young, Darren Bent, Stuart Downing to name but a few all say hi
You keep mentioning a little, the two bands talked about seem to be 60-70 and 100 if we're talking a little I consider what 5 mil
The fact you said '''were talking about the top English talent at 19 for 70mil" or something along those lines then went all
I've no clue what he'd cost and no I doubt Dortmund are Keen to sell but I'll stand by the point him being English isn't going to have anything to do with his value if they decided too sell
They'll sell if they receive an offer that makes financial and footballing sense to them. It could be that they wouldn't be interested in selling him unless they got 150 million to secure other targets they like, that won't suddenly change to 155 or 170 because he's English, they won't sell him to Barca for 140 because they're only Spanish and no English teams fancied it
He's not worth 60-70m even if you take away the English factor. He's an 18 year old starting for a title challenging side and ripping it up, in this market a club who don't need to sell like Dortmund will easily be looking at 100m+ regardless of nationality.
We'll agree to disagree on the English thing. I definitely think a shrewd selling club will be aware of how valuable someone like Sancho could be to a top English team, and they will bare that in mind when selling.
i'm not arguing that English players don't go for more. i agree they do. you seemed to be suggesting the only reason they do is because clubs don't want to lose English players, which isn't the issue given most mid table clubs have an abundance of English players.
These two moved for pretty fair prices. Young in particular was a top winger in the PL and in the prime of his career, he scored 7 and assisted 10 the season before his United move and only went for 17 mill. Milner before his City move scored 7 and assisted 12.
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