Complete opposite now though
Jadon Sancho (Out) | Chelsea reach deal to sign on loan with obligation to buy
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I'm not sure if you're either supporting Sancho or just sad how it's turned out - but a quick google of sancho and 'issues' shows a lot
- repeated timekeeping issues at both Dortmund and United (at Dortmund he seemed to get away with it due to his on field performances, not replicated at United)
- 'Not in the right fitness state' in his second season where he was supported by ETH / United and sent out for personal fitness sessions (many perhaps thought it was a mental issue / stress and the support on here and at the club was massive)-
- Fall out with the manager (not many players would survive this at any club but we were stupid enough to put him on a huge salary and couldn't offload
Sometimes things don't work out - the last point I can put down to coach / player differences and that happens. The first two are for me a direct player problem, and not just at United.
Blame is for the majority on the player here in my opinion
Yes please. Would love to see him moved on.
I will always remember Sanachk for thing and thing only. Our club spent 2 years trying to get him to secure a right winger for years to come. When he joined he openly admitted he preferred playing on the left. You couldn’t make it up
We have 650m in borrowings and 323m in transfer fees payable. With 67m in cash and 52m in tranfer fees collectable, that is not what I would call plenty of cash.
Yeah, people have this idea that we have loads of money to spend but are being scuppered by Uefa rules. In reality, we're just pretty skint because of all the money we've wasted.
That Dortmund team he was in, it had runners everywhere, who were creating spaces, making over lapping runs. And Jadon was able to play his street football style of passing. He only had to knock the ball into an area and Haaland would get onto the end of it. It suited him. And the club had worked with him for a number of years to get the best out of his abilities.
Then he came to us, and the expectation was that he would arrive the finished article. He would have an Mbappe sort of impact to our team. He would create goals from nothing, he would take people on and cross balls into the box. He would score lots of goals. Unfortunately, he didn't do any of these things. He didn't seem to have the pace to take people on. The quality of the full-backs was better than in Germany. He didn't have space and time, and there wasn't people overlapping him or creating space. He was asked to press and track back to help out the full back. He looked completely out of sorts. He was receiving the ball and stopping it dead, instead of keeping the momentum of the move, and opting to pass it backwards, instead of running down the line. Then he came out with the bombshell that he wanted to play on the left and not the right!!
He had a 5 out of 10 season for Ole. Eric Ten Hag tried to help him and sent him away to Holland for specialist training. He came back and it was more of the same. He didn't look quick enough in the PL, he didn't have the energy to run up and down the wing for long periods. They tried to play him as a number 9, to fit him into the team, because he can finish, and then we had the spat with the manager where he basically committed career suicide.
If we can flog him in a swap deal with Ugarte then that is great business from the club.
You just know that PSG are gonna take the piss with a bid of something like 20m. They know how much us and Sancho want to part ways
Just offer them £20m for Ugarte then.
£50m interest on Glazer debt
£20m in dividends, as usual
Plus a one off expense of £40m this year to pay for the consultation on refinancing which led to Ineos buying a stake
We're fecked because of one reason, really
Is this right? £40 bloody million for consultation fees? It's enough to make you weep.
It's what I've heard
Anything above 40M and its on or straight swap for Ugarte.
Although that had to be borne by the club, I think?
He had his chances and didn't take them. The standoff with the manager didn't help but was secondary to the fact he wasn't doing shit in the league.
If we can get it to thirty or thereabouts we have to do a deal especially as we don't need to replace him since Garnacho and Amad are more than capable of matching and exceeding his nonexistent output. Leaves us with one deadwood less on the books, that's more important by my book than to hold out for a large fee we are never going to get.
Get him out, farm Antony out on loan until he attracts a buyer or play so well we turn our heads up and draw a line on these idiotic signings.
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£580 mill in net debt for an entity worth £5 billion is not really that much is it? Of those £680m in borrowings a huge chunk is related to how Glazer decided to get money out of the club.
So I would still be more worried that the club fcuk up P&S than end up insolvent. Because if the club needs cash there should be plenty available.
£580 mill in net debt for an entity worth £5 billion is not really that much is it? Of those £680m in borrowings a huge chunk is related to how Glazer decided to get money out of the club.
So I would still be more worried that the club fcuk up P&S than end up insolvent. Because if the club needs cash there should be plenty available.
Why will I support a player who has literally failed to perform for 3 years now, he looks a shadow of the player he was at Dortmund. Baffling.
I wouldn't put anything past those parasites.
Here I said it: if anybody offers us anything above 20 million quids + takes Sancho on his current salaries, and we do not immediately sign that offer, we are crazyyyy.
If they offer 30 million quids, we name Omar Berrada's next child after them
If they offer 40 million quids, we name a stand at Old Trafford, after them
If they offer 30 million quids, we name Omar Berrada's next child after them
If they offer 40 million quids, we name a stand at Old Trafford, after them
Straight swap here we go
Hopefully we’re lining up one of those dodgy FFP-skating swaps, 80M for Sancho, 80M for Ugarte
This...Now is the time INEOS draws a line in sand on this crap. You want an unhappy guy, you pay market price. I mean we paid ungodly money for an unhappy Antony. Ajax should have been the one to suffer on that sale and we literally paid 3x value somehow. Time to end this. What encourages me most these days is I actually trust that we will...
If we manage to sell him and Case it will have been an amazing window!
Sensational if we sold Rashford & Antony as well, but that's not about to happen.
Sensational if we sold Rashford & Antony as well, but that's not about to happen.
100% this. The rumours of an Antony loan out had me daring to believe for a minute there ..
The scouts responsible for recommending Sancho and Antony should all be sacked.
I wouldn't even care if we went into the season with only garnacho, Amad and Pellistri as wingers if it meant getting those 3 out.
Him and ETH not seeing eye to eye is a problem that can't be overcome, even if they have patched things up for now. He has no future here under the current coach.
Our net debt including future tranfer fees is 850m, 4 years ago it was 500m. Thats an increase of 350m or 87.5m a year that had nothing to do with the takeover.
If the club would have continued to bleed cash like they have done in the past 4 years we would have ended up in administration, the Glazers didn't sell because they wanted too, they sold because it was their last option.
Just because we have a new minority owner doesn't mean that all the costs they have put on us will dissapear. The tranfer fees will still need to be payed, only in the next 12 months we have 175m to pay in tranfer fees, we are also paying 45m a year in interest, so just tranfer fees and interst costs will add up to 220m in the coming 12 months.
Compare that to our operating cash flow during the last 12 months of 108m and you see that we will need to come up with over 100m in cash from somewhere in the coming year.
New people are impressing me with approach this summer. Two deals done and players like Casemiro and Sancho visibly back in training and included in prep, so their value is retained.
Just as bad with Woodward and the like was how little they got for players, as well as the fees they paid for them. It’s good to see our assets retain value. He just started a CL final and the price should denote that fact.
Just as bad with Woodward and the like was how little they got for players, as well as the fees they paid for them. It’s good to see our assets retain value. He just started a CL final and the price should denote that fact.
Stories about Sancho and Bruno heading to PSG and Ugarte and Simons coming in the other direction.
Sancho for Ugarte is a deal that improves us enormously. An unneeded winger for a highly rated CM that solves a problem. Reduction in wages paid out too. This would be an amazing deal to happen.
Long term, switching Simons for Bruno also makes sense. A highly rated 21 yr old, on the back of a break out season, for a player about to turn 30 in two months, makes sense, but….Bruno is talismanic for us. Such a hugely influential, brilliant player. From his attitude to his “llegada”. He’s so effective and works really hard. I’d have a really tough time letting him go. That said, Simons looks a huge talent that is only going to get better. Would change how we play too, being better at ball retention (yet worse at other aspects). Mainoo, Ugarte and Simons would be a really interesting, technical midfield.
The main issue with Bruno is that if he doesn’t leave, we are going to need to give him a new contract on bigger wages, one that will probably carry him to 33/34 years old. He wasn’t on my radar at all to sell this summer, but if he becomes an essential part of the package deal with PSG, to essentially switch the four players, it’s an interesting deal with long term implications
Sancho for Ugarte is a deal that improves us enormously. An unneeded winger for a highly rated CM that solves a problem. Reduction in wages paid out too. This would be an amazing deal to happen.
Long term, switching Simons for Bruno also makes sense. A highly rated 21 yr old, on the back of a break out season, for a player about to turn 30 in two months, makes sense, but….Bruno is talismanic for us. Such a hugely influential, brilliant player. From his attitude to his “llegada”. He’s so effective and works really hard. I’d have a really tough time letting him go. That said, Simons looks a huge talent that is only going to get better. Would change how we play too, being better at ball retention (yet worse at other aspects). Mainoo, Ugarte and Simons would be a really interesting, technical midfield.
The main issue with Bruno is that if he doesn’t leave, we are going to need to give him a new contract on bigger wages, one that will probably carry him to 33/34 years old. He wasn’t on my radar at all to sell this summer, but if he becomes an essential part of the package deal with PSG, to essentially switch the four players, it’s an interesting deal with long term implications
it’s better to make it Sancho -Ugarte, Rashford - Simons.
I can't really imagine PSG being that interested by Bruno to be honest. No slight to the player and it's not completely out of order (Portuguese player in Paris is always a good draw) but he seems a little too old for them ?
Unfortunately I don’t have that power.
Why should he stay while hes so lazy and having bad attitude. We should sell at all costs. He cant eventrain properly and cant be arsed on the pitch what should a player like him be doing in our team?
Its not like he tore it in BVB. H was definitely not special despite some media clickbaity BS.
Look I get being unhappy with the performances of Sancho, Antony and Rashford in recent years, but that is just detached from reality. These players have underperformed but they're not useless. Rashford scored 30 goals in a season not that long ago and Sancho just played a CL final.
Personally, I would have been quite happy to see Sancho get a clean slate in the team now that we have a competent structure, but the fact is he's surplus to requirements with the other attacking players we have at the club, so if we can get enough for him to help fund the revamping of our midfield, I'd bite your hand off.
Agree. I’d rather get rid of Antony if we could get a good fee, but that’s not going to happen. Sancho still better than him though.
Everyone always seemed to say the Glazers made it a commerical club - but is it? Horrid disparity in our cashflow
Considering they have put 0 of their own money into the club and saddled us with a billion of debt and our lacklustre transfer policy for 12 years since SAF retired, it’s no wonder.
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