This place is a joke. Because he didn't go on a 50 yard run, beating 14 players to score yesterday, some people aren't sure about him. Absolute madness. We've been screaming out for a player like him since Nani. We should count ourselves lucky that a talent such as him wants to join us, the state we've been in these past few years. He'd walk into any team in the world.
Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed
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He doesn't even walk into the England side though.
I've still yet to see this guy play well for England. Even one time.
I'm standing by my initial claim that he's overrated. I hope he proves me wrong.
I'm standing by my initial claim that he's overrated. I hope he proves me wrong.
Nah. Purely talentwise I'd go with:
1. Sancho
2. Götze
3. Haaland
4. De Bruyne, Lewandowski, Havertz, Kroos, Özil, Dembele, etc.
Sancho really stands out among all the others. Many Dotmund fans are already claiming he's the best player in their history at age 21.
I for one would agree, De Bruyne's full Wolfsburg season was something else in terms of influence.
But it's a moot argument, since saying that Sancho didn't yet have quite such a monster season as De Bruyne had at an older age, at a team with very different circumstances, is really nothing at all against Sancho. Sancho's the real deal, it's clear.
It's a silly comparison anyway, even if not quite as silly as the one to Kagawa or Mkhitaryan
De Bruyne was great, no doubt, and I can see why people rate his season so highly. But Sancho is producing Robben and Ribery levels of performances and I believe they were a level above everybody else in the league. In the Dortmund forum on transfermarkt, there's currently a detailed post about his contribution stats in comparison to other wingers/wide forwards doing the rounds. In summary:
Second in minutes per scorer (behind Messi)
Third in ball contacts per game (behind Messi and Neymar)
Second in passes per game (behind Messi)
Second in chances created per game (behind Neymar)
Third in dribbles per game (behind Neymar and Messi)
That's incredible. The guy does so much that's not reflected on the usual stat sheets. Salah, Mane, Gnabry, Mahrez, Coman, Rashford, Sterling, Foden, Sane, Vinicius - he leads over them in all the categories. Coman e. g. is joined third in dribbles but 10th in passes. Salah is fifth in scorers but 13th in contacts per game. Mane is sixth in dribblings but 14th in passes. Mahrez is fourth in passes but 13th in scorers. Neymar, Messi and Sancho are the only players who are good in every category (top 3 at everything), the rest has strong and weak attributes. Those three are generalists but not even the most accomplished specialists rival them in their strongest disciplines. That's the profile of a Ballon D'Or contender.
Where's the guy who posted the groundhog day clock at 6am EVERY SINGLE MORNING gone? It just doesn't feel the same without that.
He found true love and broke the curse.
Greenwood, Rashford, Martial, Cavani are natural goal scorers. Their first instinct is to shoot, score or even some of those players tend to do long shoot that impossible for a goal. This type of instinct what cost us in some of our draw games because they tend to make the wrong decision making and end up wasting an opportunity. James is not a natural goal scorer but he also kind of similar in term of making poor decision making.
Martial and Rashford are not natural goal scorers and you have proceeded to explain why they are not, the natural goal scorers are Cavani and Greenwood as they have good decision making and know where to be and when to be there and to take the opportunity.
That's because he's a luxury player and Southgate says we can't have nice things. The fact Southgate has only just managed to integrate Grealish into the team, and not even to full effect, tells you all you need to know about England and its best players.
I just said it they are natural goal-scorers as they tend choose to shoot rather than find player to pass to.
Well all the games for England around the time of the transfer last summer window, coupled with his performances at the beginning of this Bundesliga season.
To be honest the one or two games you listed where he scored or assisted sound like his only decent outings for England.
You make if sound like he’s been electric for England. I’m not saying he’s been awful, just huffed and puffed in what I’ve seen.
Listen last summer I was one of the top posters in his transfer thread desperate for us to sign him
Since then my opinion of him has just dipped somewhat, I naively had the lad on a pedestal though, must admit.Natural goal scorers score a lot of goals, players who tend to shoot and not play the right pass are just shit footballers.
RIP
Well all the games for England around the time of the transfer last summer window, coupled with his performances at the beginning of this Bundesliga season.
To be honest the one or two games you listed where he scored or assisted sound like his only decent outings for England.
You make if sound like he’s been electric for England. I’m not saying he’s been awful, just huffed and puffed in what I’ve seen.
Listen last summer I was one of the top posters in his transfer thread desperate for us to sign him
I think one thing we all need to understand and not discount the importance of is football relationships on the pitch.
There is a reason why certain teams do well.
There is a reason why Liverpool play well when they have their best 11 out, they know how to play with each other.
There is a reason why Pep's signings sometimes need a year to adapt.
There is a reason why Spain did so well, most of their players played for Barca/ Madrid
There is a reason why France done well, they know who will start in most instances
There is a reason Germany did so well, most Bayen players in the team and a consistent team
This England team is good as individuals, hardly do they play together. Even for England, there is always changes to the team.
Sancho suffers from that, if you look at his domestic numbers for the last 3 years, they have been exceptional.
And it's precisely why him joining us should be particularly exciting for the average England fan as we could arguably have the attack which England will have for the next 5-10 years between himself, Rashford, and Greenwood.
Imagine those three playing week in and week out at club and international level? It would be something that Southgate or the next man in charge could legitimately build around.
We should pass on Sancho and pick him up for 40-50m next season, if he's not available so be it.
These players need to learn if they sign contract extensions they can't expect us to come in for them at 80m.
If the club are so dumb and don't communicate this with the player then they are beyond incompetent.
These players need to learn if they sign contract extensions they can't expect us to come in for them at 80m.
If the club are so dumb and don't communicate this with the player then they are beyond incompetent.
They shoot because they want to score, that’s part of their instinct. Whatever you wanna call it but do you still not get the point?
This is why I don't understand the number of people saying we shouldn't sign him based on one friendly they watch.
If we do sign Sancho, I am excited to see his link up play with Bruno, Pogba Rashford and Greenwood.
No I don’t get your point
If a footballer is always going to shoot when it is not the right option then he is either depriving a teammate of a better opportunity or he is turning over possession and putting his team under pressure.....either one, he should not be on the football pitch.
Is it really so? I didn’t follow German football a lot, but I could still remember at that time De Bruyne was having a monstrous season in Germany where everyone were hyping about, which earn his big move to City. The rest is of course history.
But I agree Sancho is one of biggest talent ever “produced” from BL, and probably most talented in recent years.
Thank you. For the umpteenth time, buying him over Grealish will be a horror show from Utd. But expected none the less.
We're not signing Grealish, we all want him, but its just not happening. People need to get over it.
I've saying that for Mason and Marcus so many times but I guess 90% of the forum has never played football at a good level to know how infuriating it is to play with selfish players. Sure, they can improve - but until they do, they're just not good footballers because they don't make the right decisions.
always cute to see Manchester United fans acting as if we’re still an European of even domestic force. We need as many talented players as possible and I can assure you Sancho will not be struggling for suitors
I think for this you have to consider the squad around the two. De Bruyne was much more the standout player than Sancho is, but this is not so much caused by a quality difference between them but because talent like Haaland overshadows a bit how good Sancho is.
When you consider that de Bruyne had for example no Haaland to assist to it is fair to say he was better in that season, when you just look at what they are actually doing it is fair to say Sancho is the better player (especially at this point where he has proven himself at this level for three season in a row, which de Bruyne just did not have the time to do because he transfered after that impressive season).
That's stupidity though isn't it? When we have a player ready made for us - proven in the PL - maybe a little expensive but isn't it worth it in the long run? The players also urged Ole to sign Grealish but he's preferring Sancho. These decisions is why we have never reached the top post Fergie. And it started happening in Fergie's time when we didn't renew Tevez's contract and went for Valencia and Owen instead of proven players (like RVP later on)
With the caveat that both Rashford and Martial blow hot and cold, Martial more often, both players have to have everything around them in perfect harmony, then they are both instinctive , natural finishers, the problem is Rashford admirably wants to save the world and is a selfless human being, however when plays for united he almost becomes a polar opposite and too selfish.
Anthony just needs love and to accept that £250k a week is far too much for someone so inconsistent, so he should just knuckle down, be happy playing 30-35 games and produce elite level performances doing what he should love doing and getting paid an obscene amount of money for doing it!
The striker options of Cavani, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Sancho*, Amad and D James are what will be needed in the post Covid Game. The Euros 26 man squad and 5 sub rules are very much the future, I can see the World Cup being the same next year and the PL finally caving in to the 5 sub rule.
When and not if this becomes the norm, you need pacey, clever strikers to win games in the last 20-25 minutes against tired defenders, with the 3 sub rule , sometimes 2 defensive subs are forced on a coach due to injury and tactics then he’s playing poker with the last sub. The big six are promoting this more and more because they realise it protects their top 6 status more than any other rule to be introduced because they have the funds to stockpile forward talent and win tight games !
This going to sound like an ITK statement..................
I play an on-line game with Thomas Delaney, he says he's the best player he's ever played with and says there is no doubt he could do it at any of the top clubs. Says he doesn't know anything about transfers though.
I play an on-line game with Thomas Delaney, he says he's the best player he's ever played with and says there is no doubt he could do it at any of the top clubs. Says he doesn't know anything about transfers though.
Sancho over Grealish is why we haven't gotten to the top since Fergie?
Give your head a wobble.
I feel this all depends on how fat his dad is.
I think we can see why the deal has not been done yet and we can tell just by reading this thread.
All of us can see he looks like a talented lad but it just comes down to Dortmund want too much money for him.
I don’t think we will go higher than £70mil all up including add ons and then it will be take it or leave it for Dortmund and possibly have a pissed off Sancho on your books for next season.
All of us can see he looks like a talented lad but it just comes down to Dortmund want too much money for him.
I don’t think we will go higher than £70mil all up including add ons and then it will be take it or leave it for Dortmund and possibly have a pissed off Sancho on your books for next season.
Valencia was basically a very similar profile to Grealish. Mid-twenties, proven in the Premier League, key player for a smaller club.
He's an excellent player and one I definitely want but I'm predicting he gets better gradually and don't hate me for saying it, when we replace our manager/coaching staff. Sancho is all about passing and movement. Our current setup is about getting the ball out early and quickly mainly through Bruno and Rashford. Sancho at his best occupies both Bruno and Rashford's position. He comes infield a lot to knit the play but if Bruno is there it could get clogged.
I'm happy just to have him now, and we can deal with the growing pains later. I'm almost certain that him and Greenwood will replace Bruno and Rashford as the key players in our attack in due time. The attack should eventually be built around those two. Sancho is a much better playmaker than Bruno and should be our primary playmaker but this won't happen immediately. If we give both him and Bruno the licence to drift all over the pitch we will be punished defensively and I see this happening a lot next season. Part of the growing pains I mentioned.
When its all said and done he'll be the LAM for us and be the primary playmaker of the team.
I'm happy just to have him now, and we can deal with the growing pains later. I'm almost certain that him and Greenwood will replace Bruno and Rashford as the key players in our attack in due time. The attack should eventually be built around those two. Sancho is a much better playmaker than Bruno and should be our primary playmaker but this won't happen immediately. If we give both him and Bruno the licence to drift all over the pitch we will be punished defensively and I see this happening a lot next season. Part of the growing pains I mentioned.
When its all said and done he'll be the LAM for us and be the primary playmaker of the team.
He wasn’t the English talisman of a wealthy EPL team. Grealish in 2009 would have cost £30m+
always cute to see Manchester United fans acting as if we’re still an European of even domestic force. We need as many talented players as possible and I can assure you Sancho will not be struggling for suitors
Lets just keep pissing money way then, while Liverpool and City make players wind down their contracts and pick them up for 40-50m. That will get us back to the top in no time paying double the price for players
.While we are at it lets put in a bid for 150m for Kane. That would be super cute.
That’s kicking the can. Loan Amad for a year and then what? Say he’s ready in a year, what happens then?
Yeah of course, I agree, not discounting the difference between his relationships with players on the pitch for club and country.
Im still keen for us to sign him, just had two nagging minor issues arise, one where posters claim he is better from the left wing and the other his performances in what we’ve seen for England (generally speaking) and what I saw of him for Dortmund earlier in the season.
I just hope we sign him and he cements RW down whilst bringing a load of creativity that we’ve missed for a decade on the right side.
Rotates with Sancho? We need more than one player for each position.
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