If Rashford requires a much needed upgrade then God knows how bad the rest of our first 11 bar Bruno are.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
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It just doesn't make sense to me.
That’s cute, what game do you play with him?
Much as I rate Jadon and I know you shouldn't judge him on England performances but just wish that he stood out in a game a bit more but then of course there is that worry of his price going through the roof which of course we don't want. Personally I still feel that CDM & CB should be prioritised over RW but then the lack of links to a CDM outside of Rice suggest that there seems to be zero intention of bringing one this summer anyway and may as well focus on wide creative player instead
Him and Shaw on the left would probably be even more lethal.
Yep, like I said I don't feel like our attack should our priority to strengthen this summer as I feel like our midfield and defence warrant much needed bolstering first.
Well, half of Europe will be after him at that price if he keeps his numbers up, and the bidding war would easily go up to around 70-80 m at least.
Shaw is a baller. Wish we could clone him. Strong runner with the ball, decent dribbler, can pass and has a lovely touch.
This goes to show how limited AWB really is. We paid almost £50m for a player who is often Darmien level going forward. It's just not good enough from an offensive standpoint, and pisses me off even more when I see his back post marking (or lack of). This is why we really need a Trippier or similar to have an alternative.
That is not what the stats show...
https://smarterscout.com/articles/jadon-sancho-borussia-dortmund-bundesliga-premier-league
It will. First rule should be no sharing packed lunches with Shaw. I have it on good authority Shaw brings sausage rolls and rustler burgers to Carrington.
I said I hope he's which means I don't consider myself to have seen enough of his games. No need to be tense.Only Messi and Muller have more assists than him in the top 5 leagues since 2018 but of course he's wank because he doesn't play well in the handful of meaningless matches per year with different players for England...
Would've loved to look back on the Bruno thread to see all the people saying we don't need him because he doesn't ever produce for Portugal
I actually think AWB will grow given a player like Sancho ahead of him. He currently has very little in the way of support ahead of him, we are so lopsided. He will get into good positions on the right and be left isolated there. With a player like Sancho he will have more chance to overlap, be overlapped, have a player closer to him to connect with. As good as Greenwood is, he plays like a striker always looking to carry the ball inside to link up centrally, Sancho is more natural from wide areas and will look to his fullback first.
Yeah can't remember tbh, but my memory is terrible, I struggle to remember the last five United games never mind England (and I'm Welsh
)I'm confident he will be a mainstay for England and I'm probably reading too much into his short international spell.
We do, but we do not need two 22 year olds who think they are the best in the world competing for one position. That’s not how it works. If both players reach their potential, they will need to be regular players.
What happens at City likely isn’t sustainable, and also, City don’t have an army of forwards in developmental stages of their career competing with each other.
Amad is still only a prospect at this point, so it shouldn't deter us from looking to strengthen in a position he plays in. Nor should it even if he were a starter. The best sides will often have an array of quality players occupying the same position, not to mention squad rotation becomes pivotal if we wish to remain competitive across all competitions.
Amad is very far away from reaching his potential or even pushing for a serious squad player spot though. He's physically very far away and you just need patience for that. We don't put title aspirations and squad building on hold while we wait for that. He'll be fine long term. Sancho and Rashford would be the main wide starters next season, Greenwood would be the first cover/rotation/sub for either wing or up top along with Martial. That's a very good balance. Amad next season was never going to have much of a role anyway. After next season, Amad takes on a bit bigger role, maybe Greenwood steps in to the #9 spot after Cavani and then we have Martial and Amad as the 2 depth pieces (which wouldn't be enough depth anyway). Or Martial leaves which I feel will eventually happen as he doesn't have a spot long term anywhere now. If we look at our attack in terms of a front 3, Amad just isn't going to be more than the 5th or 6th choice for a few years. And then he can be the 4th choice who rotates plenty and competes for spots and if good enough, forces his way in. That's so far in the future that it really doesn't matter though. There's plenty of games to go around that if he's good enough, he'll work his way ahead and if not, will just be an impact sub like Gabriel Jesus at City.
One of our biggest issues the past 2 seasons has been 0 usable depth to actually be able to rest and rotate our main attackers, and provide real competition. You don't buy a ready made top quality player where you already have one of course and ignore other problem areas, but you also don't ignore problem areas because you have an 18 year old who might become good enough 3 years down the line. Let them develop smoothly.
Not to mention the ages. It's a good blend.
- Martial - 25
- Rashford - 23
- Sancho - 21
- Greenwood - 19
- Amad - 18
Yes.
Agree. I think Sancho will great for AWB's progression.
I happen to think AWB is much better in possession and linking up than many give him credit for, I've said that since we've signed him and he's somewhat repaid that faith I had in him this season where he improved considerably going forward.
His short passing and linkup are good, he's often very good in tight spaces and looks to pass his way out of trouble rather than row-z like some of our previous fullbacks, somebody like Sancho who likes to link and play triangles on the wing will help improve AWB's game. This is an aspect to this potential signing I hadn't given much thought to (well at least since last summer.)
I know what you mean, I’ve never watched him for a full match and thought wow.
I’m not saying he wouldn’t improve the squad but he wouldn’t be at the top of my wish list this summer.
Not sure on that. When we were at our best we had 4 top level strikers and top players in multiple positions.
With these two being young we could get away with rotation initially, if they hit their top potential then they either find themselves a starting spot or move on. There's also every chance one of them might grow into a different position over time.
I'm not worried about stockpiling top players, that shouldn't be something we shy away from. Not least in a squad with only a couple of elite players. If you compare this to any previous United squad ( I do this all the time on MUTV with old game re-runs) you will see what we had was an embarrassment of riches compared to this current sqaud. I think we are making good progress but this team is a feckin' world away from some of the sides we've had in the not too distant past.
Another big point in favor of why we need Sancho IMO - we have enough players who try to do it all on their own. Sancho is a team player with excellent technique, a brilliant dribbler but also a very smart player, both with his movement and his passing. He makes consistently good decisions and helps increase the speed of play and has an excellent weight of pass and eye for a pass. He will raise the game of Wan Bissaka when he shares the right wing, and he'll raise the games of the attackers around him as he will just provide much smarter and sharper play overall. He's someone who consistently makes good decisions for Dortmunds and is why he is so effective - along with being brilliant on the ball that he can get past players at will and can play really well in tight spaces.
We have Bruno who hogs the ball and tries the killer ball constantly or taking shots. We have Pogba who loves playing Hollywood passes and sitting on the ball. Rashford loves running with it and taking shots. Sancho would help loads with the build up play, and make those better around him along with providing that key moment decision making that we are really not good at.
We have Bruno who hogs the ball and tries the killer ball constantly or taking shots. We have Pogba who loves playing Hollywood passes and sitting on the ball. Rashford loves running with it and taking shots. Sancho would help loads with the build up play, and make those better around him along with providing that key moment decision making that we are really not good at.
Not quite though. We had two top class strikers who slotted perfectly together and then we had very good squad options. I don't think we'd have been pulling up any trees if the combination had been different, let alone if Teddy and Ole had been our first XI partnership. Maybe it's the best cover we've had for positions, Nicky Butt was also a very good squad option (and played almost too many games for him to be considered a squad option, but Scholes and Keane were obviously many levels above).
We've never had anything close to City's squad quality, but we've had a manager who is a lot better getting the best out of limited options. I can't think of any teams besides Chelsea during Mourinho's first spell, and City under Pep, where the bench boasts almost the same quality as many top teams first XIs.
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They were all 'top' level i.e. some of the best in their positions in the league, I didn't say elite or world class. My point is the poster is worried about having two talented young players in the RW spot, which is not something to be worried about imo.
We can barely field a squad of players that strike fear into an opponent, well in fact we just don't, we should be stockpiling talent, look at City's squad and the options they have in every position. We've improved this in regard under Ole, I've been vocal on that, but we are still miles off on sqaud depth and importantly the quality of that depth.
Apologies, you said City and Liverpool, not Chelsea. Either way, those clubs are in a much better position than United, squad and reputation wise. Their position to bargain is much stronger than ours and City aren't exactly tight when it comes to spending.
At 40M-50M he will have the pick of which club to join. We are a washed up club skating on name. The chances of getting him then become smaller. Currently we not only have a sporting need for a player like him but we are one of the few that can wrap it up now financially. That was the point of my initial reply to you.
I know that we lost. I also know that with better players the chances of winning are improved regardless of management/coaching.
I am starting to get cold feet over Sancho. I am slightly worried he may struggle in the PL with the increased intensity and physicality. I say this as when watching him at Dortmund he does all his best work when there is a lot of space. This is why he has also failed to impress for England in my opinion.
Fantastic points about his decision making. Its absolutely brilliant indeed, for a 21 year old, and should only get better.
Sure, I was just jumping on this 4 top class strikers bit, and disputing that. I think we had two, and two very adequate squad options, given we played two up front. Like I say, if Ole and Teddy had been the main men, I don't think the treble would have been remotely possible.
We obviously can't compete with City's stockpiling of talent, 50m a pop. We can compete when it comes to managing the team and getting the best out of what we've got, and certainly improve our first XI. It's not just that we haven't got the squad options. Ole has to take some of that flak.
With Sancho, he can obviously play either wing, and my hunch is he'd be played on the right more often than not, with Rashford on the left. But we'd have options with Martial and Greenwood, the latter hopefully getting the games up front when Cavani needs a breather.
Not sure where this would leave Amad though - he might need a loan.
I’m down to jump in for the next session
Where we droppin lads.
July 23rd deadline has reportedly been set by Dortmund. Could we spectacularly feck this up again? Ed is always up for the challenge.
No need to be dramatic. Not paying Dortmund’s astonishingly high price last summer was not an spectacular feck up. It was an active choice as the price being demanded was unrealistic in the middle of an pandemic.
No, it was just a complete lack of ambition.
I feel this year might different if they are planning their spending with the Sancho money in mind. Dortmund will probably sign 2-3 promising talents with that money. The longer this goes on the more likely Sancho is to leave for a lower price or on a free. I feel this is the summer to get it done for Dortmund whether that be with United or another team.
Do many people believe this? We kept scores to 0-0's very often in the big games, City Liverpool Chelsea etc etc so defensively we can shut them out. My opinion on that is we needed a bit more threat than we've got at current, especially off the bench, but mainly in our first 11. Stop us down our left and centre and we -wont score-, because it's rare we ever make anything down the right (except against lower half sides). Good teams just double up on Rashford and Bruno and leave wan Bissaka -completely free for a full 90 minutes- noticeably and Greenwood 1v1 when Greenwoods not a proper winger to begin with.
It wasn’t, it was a very rational and smart move in the midst of a pandemic.
I mean in those games we didn't create much, it was more of do not lose the game more than anything.
Until we start getting control of these games, we are not going to win the league, the only way to get control is having an attack that teams are scared about.
I would say every PL team knows how to play against us now, sit back and counter. We seem to struggle to score against any team recently. Even when we do score its very rarely do we fashion out chance after chance.
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