Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed

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tbf United fans could have spared themselves a lot of grey hair in this saga if they hadn't irrationally and militantly refused to acknowledge simple, clear and unequivocal statements of the selling club last summer
Ah well at least we're getting him cheaper this summer. 120m was insane for him... we're still paying a LOT but I can see why we chose to wait and, tbf, it paid off.
 
I read Gary's tweet as saying that the saga is boring at this stage because it has seemed a given for so long. And not excited about the pending official deal because he already considers him a United player. I mean, he literally says that in the tweet, but some people keep taking his comment like he thinks Sancho himself isn't exciting as a player.
 
If you're asking for evidence of utd chasing Sancho until the dying moments of last year's window - https://www.skysports.com/football/...iteds-91-3m-bid-rejected-by-borussia-dortmund
Giving them a take it or leave it offer to test their resolve in the dying moments of the window is hardly evidence of us constantly chasing him throughout.

We would have been happy to take him a year ago, but not for any price. So we waited, and now looks to be more in line with how we value him.
 
I read Gary's tweet as saying that the saga is boring at this stage because it has seemed a given for so long. And not excited about the pending official deal because he already considers him a United player. I mean, he literally says that in the tweet, but some people keep taking his comment like he thinks Sancho himself isn't exciting as a player.

people don’t read what they see, they read what they want to see.
 
Giving them a take it or leave it offer to test their resolve in the dying moments of the window is hardly evidence of us constantly chasing him throughout.

We would have been happy to take him a year ago, but not for any price. So we waited, and now looks to be more in line with how we value him.
It's enough evidence to show that we didn't give up trying to sign him until the last moments of the window, that was the point.
 
It's enough evidence to show that we didn't give up trying to sign him until the last moments of the window, that was the point.
But that also shows that we were only ready to buy him last season on terms and money that we found appropriate.

Same this year.

Why does that have to be taken negatively?
 
But that also shows that we were only ready to buy him last season on terms and money that we found appropriate.

Same this year.

Why does that have to be taken negatively?
I'm not saying it's good or bad, I was responding to the request of evidence that we didn't walk away from the €120 mil asking price and that it was a drawn out process:

If you think, naively, that we just walked away from the 120m eur price and never tried to have a long drawn out process of haggling it down, then youre just refusing to accept reality.

Did you actually listen to what Zorc said? We never negotiated with them last summer. We were told the price and date early on and he said multiple time that we had not been in contact, had not made a bid, were not negotiating and if we did want to make an offer we knew where to start.

I’d love to see you provide any evidence of your claims.
 
Giving them a take it or leave it offer to test their resolve in the dying moments of the window is hardly evidence of us constantly chasing him throughout.

We would have been happy to take him a year ago, but not for any price. So we waited, and now looks to be more in line with how we value him.

This below is from the Athletic (Laurie Whitwell, David Ornstein and Raphael Honigstein) regarding what happened last summer

The Athletic has been told that Solskjaer urged Ed Woodward to keep trying, and financial concerns meant other signings were pushed to the periphery until the final 48 hours of the window.

Donny van de Beek arrived on September 2 but sources say United waited to pull the trigger on other purchases until it became clear Sancho was not arriving.

So for the third window in a row, United were active on deadline day, completing the signings of Edinson Cavani, Alex Telles, Amad Diallo and Facundo Pellistri

The cause for this year’s unedifying sense of late freneticism appears to centre on the priority given to the Sancho move and, fundamentally, a misunderstanding by United of Dortmund’s intentions.

So, last summer the club waited till very late to sign other targets because they hoped a last min offer to BVB for Sancho will be accepted.
 
But that also shows that we were only ready to buy him last season on terms and money that we found appropriate.

Same this year.

Why does that have to be taken negatively?

Well, the fact remains that the club wasted an entire summer on Sancho last year and could've moved on early on since they knew BVB were adamant about their demands on Sancho.

This summer is different of course.
 
This below is from the Athletic (Laurie Whitwell, David Ornstein and Raphael Honigstein) regarding what happened last summer



So, last summer the club waited till very late to sign other targets because they hoped a last min offer to BVB for Sancho will be accepted.
I actually refuse to believe that your club would have been that daft.
The only thing that puzzles me is why they kept telling it to the press (i.e. their fans).
 
This below is from the Athletic (Laurie Whitwell, David Ornstein and Raphael Honigstein) regarding what happened last summer



So, last summer the club waited till very late to sign other targets because they hoped a last min offer to BVB for Sancho will be accepted.

They thought it was all negotiation tactics by Dortmund to keep the price high but they were actually fully transparent saying buy him for this by then or look elsewhere because we are relying on him for next season. That’s how out of touch we’ve been with the market thinking we could bluff them into selling cheaper later on. It seems a lot smoother this summer. It was always going to happen after the Euros so I don’t get the gnashing over this deal. We are actually doing the transfer right this year, with full respect to Dortmund and we’ve saved a nice wedge of cash in the process. That tells me we’ve hopefully learned a lesson or two along the way. I’m not saying it’s the end of marathon sagas but hopefully with a dedicated recruitment team with a background in football ops we can build lasting positive relationships within the game that we can use to our advantage in the future.
 
I actually refuse to believe that your club would have been that daft.
The only thing that puzzles me is why they kept telling it to the press (i.e. their fans).

There is no amount of daftness that anyone should refuse to believe is possible when the Glazers, Woodward, and Judge are involved in a transfer.
 
tbf United fans could have spared themselves a lot of grey hair in this saga if they hadn't irrationally and militantly refused to acknowledge simple, clear and unequivocal statements of the selling club last summer

We also could’ve been spared the German brigade (neither invited nor wanted) on a United fan forum standing up for one other like some small pricked insecure bastards.:)
 
We also could’ve been spared the German brigade (neither invited nor wanted) on a United fan forum standing up for one other like some small pricked insecure bastards.:) presenting common knowledge of the German public which turned out to be correct, who would have thought
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Well, the fact remains that the club wasted an entire summer on Sancho last year and could've moved on early on since they knew BVB were adamant about their demands on Sancho.

This summer is different of course.
Ok, but what did we lose by 'wasting the entire summer'?
 
I'm not saying it's good or bad, I was responding to the request of evidence that we didn't walk away from the €120 mil asking price and that it was a drawn out process:
Read my reply to this post. Youl have one.

Honestly I don't know why posters try to rewrite history just because the club fecked up.
 
I actually refuse to believe that your club would have been that daft.
The only thing that puzzles me is why they kept telling it to the press (i.e. their fans).

This.

Last summer( and many summers before that) made it evident that we are run by a CEO that only has experience in business outside football and is out of his depth.
 
Ok, but what did we lose by 'wasting the entire summer'?

Time, obviously, the club entered into panic mode to conclude deals in the last 48 hrs of the summer window, which is not good and very risky, and those deals amounted to 2 kids, backup LB, and backup striker, not bad signings but could've been done sooner
 
the only thing that still irks me about last summer was the fact that we spent close to €40m on a player who apparently wasn't part of the manager's plans and was rarely used at all. The whole Sancho thing was weird and I wanted us to sign him badly even for the price back then, but in the end, I understand that such a fee was hard to justify during a pandemic. Just could/should have spent the money more wisely then.
 
He's not talking about just this summer though. It's a transfer that's dragged over 2 windows. 99% of the frustration is how went about things last summer.
That’s what I’m saying, last summer they tried ripping us off, we’re now paying a much fairer price.

The wait was worthwhile because paying £110 million last summer window during a pandemic would have been a joke.

We need to start being respected in negotiations, clubs have taken us for a ride for a long time now. We don’t have the same money City and Chelsea have to throw away.

I mean I want marquee players signed and quickly, the same as all of us. But we need to think of the bigger picture and the club as well.
Other clubs would be praised for playing hardball and getting the player we wanted and for the right price, it’s what clubs like Bayern do well.
 
I don’t think anyone would complain about a 75m signing not being an attempt to improve the first 11. Just spending that amount of money would be a clear difference in intent from last summer to this.

Obviously I’m not saying you can predict how players will work out, but you can implement a strategy to give yourself the best chance of success. That’s what the fans wanted when we were busy throwing 400k a week at 30 year old players whose legs had gone. It’s not sustainable and hasn’t worked for us. See Falcao, Bastian, Sanchez, Di Maria etc. Sancho is so far away from that, and it’s great to see. I’d be amazed if anyone criticised the club for signing him, even if he ends up playing like Bebe’s one legged cousin.

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He is highly rated by many german pundits,.media and ex players. I didn't follow him week in week out but one thing I always see is how highly they talk about sancho. Maybe he is that damn good.
Yes, he alludes to it a lot - this character thing - and it does fall in line with what he always was as a player/captain even as a youngster. He's contradicted himself a number of times re. Sancho because telling it how he really sees it just isn't worth the headache. I do believe he sees these 'wildcards' as those you throw on when you've nothing left to lose, but that ultimately he doesn't trust them to follow instructions and stick studiously to his plan (of not much at all) for the meat & veg of a game.

His profile is dull, strict and not inclusive at all, which is really bad for squaddies because they know they'll not get a game but for injury or dire need. Even if they play well one game, his leaning will still be to put those he finds agreeable back in the team if he can. Talk about demoralising.

The sooner he is ousted the better. Progressive players and progressive football as a whole, will be the fall guys for as long as he is in charge.
Wasn't his father in the military. He alluded to having a strict and disciplined upbringing. He chose football over a career in the military.
 
I’m actually most looking forward to seeing Amad develop this season, and have a suspicion that he could level out the best of the lot tbh.
Amad is going to be amazing, but he just needs to fill out slightly. I think this season, if he gets the sort of minutes that Mata usually gets, that would be great progress for him. But no doubt the prospect of Amad backing up Sancho for the next couple of seasons or so before ultimately stamping his own authority on the team is a tantalising one.

Also, if we actually think about it, with Sancho and Amad there, is RW now one of our strongest areas after such a long time where it was our weakest? Which is pretty mental :lol:
Amad is going to be 19 in a couple of weeks. Jadon turned 21 in March, roughly 2 years apart. At the same age of 18, Sancho had 13 goals and 16 assists in 42 appearances for Dortmund. Amad had 4 appearances and 1 goal…

I understand that our fan base is dying to see Amad succeed, but Sancho was a much more accomplished player at the same age. Prospects progress at different rates, Amad may become a great player, but he’s proven nothing at the top levels and is basically just potential at this point. Mason Greenwood is basically 200 days older than Amad and he’s WAY ahead of him in terms of development and although his goals were down last campaign, his link up play, passing and crossing improved immensely.

‘If we complete the Sancho transfer, I seriously doubt Amad will play a big role this season, barring injuries. There is just too much proven talent ahead of him.

Let’s let the kid develop without a lot of pressure.
 
Amad is going to be 19 in a couple of weeks. Jadon turned 21 in March, roughly 2 years apart. At the same age of 18, Sancho had 13 goals and 16 assists in 42 appearances for Dortmund. Amad had 4 appearances and 1 goal…

I understand that our fan base is dying to see Amad succeed, but Sancho was a much more accomplished player at the same age. Prospects progress at different rates, Amad may become a great player, but he’s proven nothing at the top levels and is basically just potential at this point. Mason Greenwood is basically 200 days older than Amad and he’s WAY ahead of him in terms of development and although his goals were down last campaign, his link up play, passing and crossing improved immensely.

‘If we complete the Sancho transfer, I seriously doubt Amad will play a big role this season, barring injuries. There is just too much proven talent ahead of him.

Let’s let the kid develop without a lot of pressure.

Sancho was just at a different club at the same age. There’s no telling whether he was a different level at the same age. Numbers are silly with kids of that age. The data is so small. How many international goals did Sancho have at 18? Are we supposed to read something into the fact that Amad has more international goals at 18?

Amad will still be potential in 10 years if he never plays. All that means little. He’s 18, and hasn’t played much. At rhis age, such sweeping statements as you have made literally change within one month of football.
 
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