Great points. Basically our transfer business is run by amateurs in footballing terms who understand the cost side of player acquisition but don't account for the value side of the players, i.e., maximising the value from a player by things like signing them early before pre-season starts, and completing the squad to maximise the value from all players. For example, Man City identified full backs as a gap and bought 4 in a short period of time. It helped the entire squad win trophies. As opposed to our approach towards CB.
Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed
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Great points. Basically our transfer business is run by amateurs in footballing terms who understand the cost side of player acquisition but don't account for the value side of the players, i.e., maximising the value from a player by things like signing them early before pre-season starts, and completing the squad to maximise the value from all players. For example, Man City identified full backs as a gap and bought 4 in a short period of time. It helped the entire squad win trophies. As opposed to our approach towards CB.
For normal clubs, the cost of player acquisition could be the difference between one signing instead of two.
Sometimes you can run the risk of being penny wise but pound foolish. Compared to amount saved by negotiation, how much have United lost through the examples the poster I was quoting gave? For example signing Maguire an year early (at the same price reportedly), signing Bruno half a season earlier(at a higher price), signing Sancho last season or even signing free-agent Cavani earlier in the season so that he wouldn't have lost the time in quaratining and building fitness early on. My bet is our last three seasons would have looked substantially different and then we might have attracted good players without making so much effort on the money side of things.
Going into the upcoming season, its clear that we should quickly fix all the remaining gaps in the squad to enable the team to challenging PL genuinely. If we are again bothered about minimising costs and fixed budgets, it could again be a washout season even while your prime assets like Bruno, Pogba and Cavani a year older.
Exactly and the city full backs that don’t make it are still going to fetch a very solid price that can be reinvested when they do the same for another position. It’s as close to foolproof as you’ll get. For an industry that’s mainly based on talent acquisition and turnover we are still way behind lots of clubs when it comes to the first team. City would probably have signed Aarons and AWB in the same summer and wouldn’t have to be talking about someone like Tripper this summer or Telles last year as short term backups. Watch as they probably go out and buy Nuno Gomes over the next year or 2 without fuss even though they don’t particularly need him. That’s how you improve a squad long term, from a position of strength. When’s the last time city got totally ripped off or had a saga that went on for years?
If City want to buy they can just sell one of their very highly rated and expensive subs and reinvest like Barca and Real used to. It’s optimal to have a squad full of valuable players who could all be starters. They are a massive part of your capital and bargaining power at the end of the day. Do you think they’d be hanging onto Matic or Mata or bringing in assets like Cavani or Ighalo? They wouldn’t. They are mainly interested in players whose values will grow or stay the same. We also probably would have hung onto players like silva and aguero and not reinvested until they were 100% done.
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Cool fanfiction.
I mean the asking price has gone down significantly if the reported numbers are to be believed. Don't know how that's "pretending that nothing has changed".
Obviously Sancho being willing to leave influences the asking price, nobody denies that. It means that the set price has to be justifiable not only to fans, staff and shareholders, but also to the player and his agent. Doesn't really affect the analogy though unless Sancho is willing to go to extremes to force a move, which he (at this point) doesn't seem willing to.
I mean isn't that exactly what happened last summer? Dortmund set a price, United didn't want to pay it and backed off for the time being. So what's your issue then if you agree that those points of view are legitimate? Most of this "transfer saga" is media hype anyway. Either United pay the price Dortmund set for this summer or they come back next one when it's even lower. Nothing illegitimate or outrageous about any of this.
I mean I would have suggested just buying one at the store, but if that's your thing ... godspeed.
The examples he gave are incorrect, throwing out random numbers to prove his own point doesn't actually make it true. Not to mention that one thing is the total fee, another side of it is how the deal is structured.
Leicester weren't willing to let Maguire go a year earlier, even Maguire has commented on this.
What point are you trying to make? That we actually are efficient?
€85-90m (£73-77m) is a fair fee for all. Anything above this is crazy money in uncertain times. We should really be negotiating for €80m (70+10 add ons)
To be honest I think you're viewing this too emotionally. From Dortmund's perspective they have one of the hottest young prospects in their team. A player who has put up some of the best numbers in Europe for three seasons running. He's only just turned 21, he's English and very marketable. Taking those factors into account, the transfer fee they're demanding is high but not really outrageous by any means.
Sure you could argue in a Covid market no one can afford it, so they should lower their demands because of that but they're not that desperate to sell him even if eventually they should sell him. It's possible they've speculated on the pandemic not dragging on as long as it has, and hence the market returning back to normal sooner but it's not their job to make transfers easy for the other club. On the other hand the quoted prices are already lower than they received for Dembele for instance, and a number of players have moved for similar fees not too long ago such as Felix to Atletico or Griezmann.
They're not laughing at United, it's just business. After all even in these times there are clubs who can afford that fee because revenues are irrelevant to them such as Chelsea, City or PSG. Sancho might prefer United but those clubs are fairly attractive destinations too if a deal with United can't be struck.
BBC journo confirming our interest...
Definitely sounds like a club brief
Club briefing on the day Joey Glazer speak to fans forum.
I am shocked.
I am shocked.
pretty much confirms what Whitwell wrote hours ago. Very reliable dude.
And if they know what’s good for them then they’ll make damn sure they get this one over the line this time.
News to make you unzip.
Things that make you go mmmmm.
I think we will sign him to be fair
This will be our first summer signing imo, just hope we can at least bargain Dortmund down to a price that doesn't see us neglecting other areas because of our budget.
Like Donkey Kong
It would be interesting to see this time will the negotiations happen directly with Dortmund or charade like last time.
God no, simply that things need to be put into context.
Meet "valuation" "before specific time", "gentleman's agreement"...where I heard this before??
He's coming home, ladies and gents.
Understood but when the club repeatedly has the same problems with transfers above a certain number or in identifying which fringe squad members actually provide value then it’s on the owners. I’m not saying they don’t spend enough. They clearly spend a lot. It’s just they are incredibly reactionary and relaxed and inevitably a year later new problems have arisen while they are still working on last years problems. I’m also not sure how well they actually know the market either. So it’s always one step forward two back with them.
I’ll admit we are clearly making some slow but sustainable progress and its really starting to feel to me like Haaland will come here to reunite with Sancho if the owners have the stomach for a deal of that size and dealing with Mino. That seems to be the most straightforward way of guaranteeing a world class attack for years to come in just two moves. We’ve gone from looking pretty aimless when it comes to long term strategy to hopefully starting to put the best young team in the world together. Fingers crossed!
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“Cautiously optimistic”. That’s how I feel about getting my annual blowjob of my wife.
Great. They've set another deadline for a bid.
More positive than anything we had last Summer/Autumn. Love to see it.
Never believed the deal would happen last summer. I think it will happen now.
Maybe always means no. Cautiously optimistic is maybe but with reason for added optimism
Me too. She's a piece of work isn't she?
If we don't seal the deal by the time Joel Glazer appears at the fans forum everyone present should just play this at full volume over him whenever he tries to speak...
I guess they want 80-85m which is the major part of our transfer budget. We will probably aim for 60+20m of which maybe 20m is paid upfront.
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