Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed

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Pexbo said:
Exactly. You can’t blame Dortmund for hoping that Sancho lights up on the international stage because it would have put pressure on United to match their asking price.

They’ve had a good offer on the table for over a week now and it’s clear his stock isn’t getting any higher this summer and it’s clear that Sancho wants to come to United. So if anything Dortmund’s position is getting weaker rather than stronger so it makes perfect sense that they now might want to bank the big fat cheque that’s sitting on their desk.
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This does not make any sense in my opinion. Dortmund will not suddenly change their valuation, because Southgate does not rate Sancho. Why would they?

At the same time they were not going to hike up the price, if Sancho did well breaking their agreement with Sancho. Also United won't suddenly have more funds available for Dortmund to demand.

A bidding war is of course not going to happen and definitely not something Dortmund are holding out for. (I know you didn't make this point here)

WPMUFC said:
well you're right, that is definitely news to me, if you're being accurate. I don't think i've seen RN being questioned as the definitive BVB source in any window. I know kicker do rate highly, but i've always seen RN higher rated than kicker for BVB.
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I second @Sphaero 's statement, RN have not been as reliable concerning Dortmund in years. They are still a very good source and I would be suprised if they stick their neck out like this with wrong information (no bid by United up to this day) .
 


It’s repeated that Dortmund want ‘around’ €95m as a base transfer fee, plus ‘the usual bonuses’, and that’s not negotiable.


A first bid arrived ‘a few days ago’, and it’s ‘being considered’.


No amount is given, but that the offer isn’t mocked and that it’s not stated the bid has already been rejected is hugely positive, especially when this comes from such a source.
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SW translation of the story.
 
WPMUFC said:
huh? Ruhr Nachrichten are reporting BVB is "examining" an offer by MUFC?

what do you think they are examining? Am I missing obvious sarcasm?
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Deadwood Woodward has probably hidden the amount in 30 pages of notes font size 8
 
Hansi Fick said:
That might be but it will have nothing to do with Sancho's Euros minutes.
Differently put, you better hope Utd's negotiators are not stupid enough to try to use Sancho's lack of playing time as leverage.
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So you agree that Dortmund might in the end settle for terms different to what they have been demanding in the press?

If Sancho had started all England’s games and had put in MOTM performances, scoring and assisting in each game, do you think United would have been under pressure to get the transfer done? Do you think this would not have seen Dortmund hold out for more money?

Of course Sancho not being in shop window is going to effect the price.
 
dinostar77 said:
The irony that there is a £10mil difference between Utd and Dortmund and thats the exact amount the glazers are taking as dividends out of the club this summer for themselves.
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The Glazers attempting to spend £70m on a player is evidence they're underinvesting in the club?
 
Just saying. 10m wont make a difference.

But 90m in one payment or spread over 4 years made a lot of difference accounting wise.

Not saying BVB wants it outright but it's not a simple add more 10 to the checks if the choices are outright or installment.
 
Swarm said:
This does not make any sense in my opinion. Dortmund will not suddenly change their valuation, because Southgate does not rate Sancho. Why would they?
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That’s not what I said. I said that Dortmund were hoping that a good tournament from Sancho would put pressure on United to meet the asking price. That’s not materialised so Dortmund are not looking at the terms on the table.
 
Pexbo said:
So you agree that Dortmund might in the end settle for terms different to what they have been demanding in the press?

If Sancho had started all England’s games and had put in MOTM performances, scoring and assisting in each game, do you think United would have been under pressure to get the transfer done? Do you think this would not have seen Dortmund hold out for more money?

Of course Sancho not being in shop window is going to effect the price.
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Of course. They're negotiating.

As for the last sentence, that's just silly. Clubs know all about Sancho, his quality, his price, and likely also his preference to move to Utd, just because Southgate isn't playing him doesn't mean he's not in the 'shop window'.
 
Pexbo said:
That’s not what I said. I said that Dortmund were hoping that a good tournament from Sancho would put pressure on United to meet the asking price. That’s not materialised so Dortmund are not looking at the terms on the table.
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Okay, I then this is what I am refuting :)
I don't believe Sancho's performance at the EC will affect the price whatsoever as his performances the past three years are what valuations are based on.
 
Hansi Fick said:
Of course. They're negotiating.

As for the last sentence, that's just silly. Clubs know all about Sancho, his quality, his price, and likely also his preference to move to Utd, just because Southgate isn't playing him doesn't mean he's not in the 'shop window'.
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While you’re concentrating solely on this from Dortmund’s perspective, I think you’re missing some knowledge on how these things work from United’s perspective.

United and the Glazers are under huge pressure from fans and the media and every summer their transfers are analysed in very negative terms. If Sancho had an outstanding tournament, the pressure would be massive on United to just pay the asking fee and get it done and in all honesty, I would 150% guarantee that United would pay the asking price and probably in one lump sum.

Dortmund knew this was the case and as such will know that scenario hasn’t materialised so now instead of that best case scenario, they are settling on a more realistic scenario and looking at the terms United offered and working from there.
 
Swarm said:
Okay, I then this is what I am refuting :)
I don't believe Sancho's performance at the EC will affect the price whatsoever as his performances the past three years are what valuations are based on.
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Read my reply above.

It’s more about United’s behaviour in the transfer market than Dortmund.
 
Bratt said:
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Dortmund trying to control the narrative still.

United weren’t playing games last summer. Dortmund “never wanted to sell Sancho enough” and felt the €120m asking price was not a reasonable position given COVID’s impact.

This year United feel Dortmund are being more flexible and “the negotiations are more serious”
 
The pathetic nature of journalists paddling repetitive headlines is a poor sight to see.
Pity everyone is pandering to them rather than calling them out on it.

Also, don't we have alternative targets for RW?
 
MattofManchester said:
The pathetic nature of journalists paddling repetitive headlines is a poor sight to see.
Pity everyone is pandering to them rather than calling them out on it.

Also, don't we have alternative targets for RW?
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Greenwood is a particularly special alternative.
 
Pexbo said:
Dortmund knew this was the case and as such will know that scenario hasn’t materialised so now instead of that best case scenario, they are settling on a more realistic scenario and looking at the terms United offered and working from there.
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But now you are just guessing what the situation might be. I would claim that Dortmund are still the party that has to agree to an offer and I believe they couldn't care less under what kind of pressure United are. You can of course disagree here as neither of us can prove their point.
 
Swarm said:
But now you are just guessing what the situation might be. I would claim that Dortmund are still the party that has to agree to an offer and I believe they couldn't care less under what kind of pressure United are. You can of course disagree here as neither of us can prove their point.
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It’s just basic logic.

If you’re selling any commodity, you want to pick the right time to sell it and you analyse the market and you consider all events that could impact the price.

If Dortmund haven’t been doing this and are completely rigid in their approach as everyone in the BDL is arguing, then they really aren’t the smartest operators in the transfer market that they are made out to be. Quite the opposite in fact.
 
Pexbo said:
While you’re concentrating solely on this from Dortmund’s perspective, I think you’re missing some knowledge on how these things work from United’s perspective.

United and the Glazers are under huge pressure from fans and the media and every summer their transfers are analysed in very negative terms. If Sancho had an outstanding tournament, the pressure would be massive on United to just pay the asking fee and get it done and in all honesty, I would 150% guarantee that United would pay the asking price and probably in one lump sum.

Dortmund knew this was the case and as such will know that scenario hasn’t materialised so now instead of that best case scenario, they are settling on a more realistic scenario and looking at the terms United offered and working from there.
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Maybe you're right, I don't know. Don't mean to make a huge debate out of this. Also I don't mean to deny that atmosphere, media, opinion play a part.

But, my estimation simply would be that a these deals are less volatile and down to daily public or media perception than you make them out to be out.
I would guess that the basic financial parameters and dimensions of the deal have been well-established between the parties for a while.
Even we know about it seeing how publicly transparent BVB have been about Sancho's situation, and so certainly Man United will know all about how the playing field of negotiations is staked out, to put it that way.
I don't see the Euros changing much substantially about these parameters.
 
The level of politics involved in this transfer would have you believe we're negotiating terms for the release of MI6 spy holding state secrets. Zorc and Woody are both outgoing soon so they should just get it over with and brief the media their willy pics so we can finally see for ourselves who's more man, ffs.
 
Pexbo said:
Dortmund trying to control the narrative still.
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It's how they operate and it's really annoying. Always on their high horse.
cyberman said:
Yep, me as a fame hungry twitter twat, never published a conversation I had with Dortmund.
We are best friends
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I think we should realized by now that whenever he says something, it's something we already know or has been published by other media/journalists. He's just adding his opinion on top of it which means feck all and when it's time to blame United (as Dortmund tries to potray), he stirs some shit up to get clicks.
 
Pexbo said:
It’s just basic logic.

If you’re selling any commodity, you want to pick the right time to sell it and you analyse the market and you consider all events that could impact the price.

If Dortmund haven’t been doing this and are completely rigid in their approach as everyone in the BDL is arguing, then they really aren’t the smartest operators in the transfer market that they are made out to be. Quite the opposite in fact.
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It's easy, they don't want to sell. If the window closes and Sancho and Haaland are still there, they'll open a bottle of champagne. Personally I find this view very smart. Another season with Sancho should easily be worth €30m for them if not more. If you think that means they're bad at operating in the market, fair enough.
 
Pexbo said:
It’s just basic logic.

If you’re selling any commodity, you want to pick the right time to sell it and you analyse the market and you consider all events that could impact the price.

If Dortmund haven’t been doing this and are completely rigid in their approach as everyone in the BDL is arguing, then they really aren’t the smartest operators in the transfer market that they are made out to be. Quite the opposite in fact.
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But here you assume Dortmund are actually intent on selling sancho. Again neither of us can prove their point though. It is however basic logic, that Dortmund won't significantly reduce the asking price for a player they would prefer to keep because Southgate does not rate him.
 
Swarm said:
But here you assume Dortmund are actually intent on selling sancho. Again neither of us can prove their point though. It is however basic logic, that Dortmund won't significantly reduce the asking price for a player they would prefer to keep because Southgate does not rate him.
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They won't lower it bit I guarentee they would have raised it if he played well, which they now cannot do.
 
Zehner said:
It's easy, they don't want to sell. If the window closes and Sancho and Haaland are still there, they'll open a bottle of champagne. Personally I find this view very smart. Another season with Sancho should easily be worth €30m for them if not more. If you think that means they're bad at operating in the market, fair enough.
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Honestly, it’s absolute nonsense. Sancho doesn’t want to be there anymore. He’s already overstayed by one season. Dortmund’s financial situation also isn’t as rosey as you lot like to make out. That’s in black and white in their financial reports.

You’re having a laugh if you think they don’t need a cash injection of near on €100m this season and that they will turn that down over €5m here or there or because it’s over 4 years instead of 3.

Dortmund say what they want people to think, stop taking it all as gospel.
 
Adisa said:
Who is Noni Madueke? That's a Nigerian name. How come I have never heard of him? He must be good.
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PSV winger who they signed from Spurs youth team. Think he’s played at every level for England at youth. He’s still inbetween first XI and squad player at PSV though so I’d be surprised if he’s the direct replacement for Sancho.
 
The Germans seem to be just as bemused about the England lineup choices as anyone :lol:



Good to see the rest of the world getting acquainted with the genius known as Southgate, the brilliant mind responsible for less shots on target through 2 games than the powerhouse known as North Macedonia...

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I suspect they are weighing up 2 alternative amounts over different payment schedules.

Dortmund have been wanting the fee paid over 4 years apparently, and we have looked at spreading it over 5.

They will be looking at their cash flow projections and weighing up "jam today" or jam for 5 years. United have the "uncertainty" of the next TV rights deal on the medium term. I'd imagine Dortmunds finances to be a bit more stable so less concerned about long term security.

I think the lack of Sancho playing time has only really removed one factor, that of other clubs creating the spectre of a race for his signature because of a few good performances. Real or not such "interest" from other big clubs might have panicked us into offering better terms.
 
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