Why? Because you are a muppet and you don't rate Gibson? We have put in a 1st refusal/buy-back clause in many of the players we have sold off late..
Jack Rodwell | Sold to City
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Why? Because you are a muppet and you don't rate Gibson? We have put in a 1st refusal/buy-back clause in many of the players we have sold off late..
I completely agree with this. Could people see him in the Busquets role?
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Why do I want Jack Rodwell? I don't know.
Don't get me wrong, the boy can pick a pass,
Has pace, athleticism, latent class,
And youth, with ample time to learn and grow.
What does he do, though, when he's fit (that's seldom)?
He never seems to hit another level;
He scored a goal against us once (yeah, well done -
Our back four featured Evans, Brown and Neville).
And yet, when it's announced he's on his way,
The heir to Scholesy, Keano, Robbo, Remi,
By some inane, soi-disant ITK,
I feel at once the stirrings of a semi.
Why do I want Jack Rodwell? I don't know -
Just sign him up, and get on with the show.
Don't get me wrong, the boy can pick a pass,
Has pace, athleticism, latent class,
And youth, with ample time to learn and grow.
What does he do, though, when he's fit (that's seldom)?
He never seems to hit another level;
He scored a goal against us once (yeah, well done -
Our back four featured Evans, Brown and Neville).
And yet, when it's announced he's on his way,
The heir to Scholesy, Keano, Robbo, Remi,
By some inane, soi-disant ITK,
I feel at once the stirrings of a semi.
Why do I want Jack Rodwell? I don't know -
Just sign him up, and get on with the show.
That is pretty accurately how I feel about Rodwell summed up in poetic form. Impressive!
He'd be a nice young English replacement for Hargreaves IMO, if we signed him.
Yeah, the physios might get lonely if we lose Hargreaves and don't sign Rodwell.
I'm changing my mind after seeing some of the young players on show at the Euro competition. Seems we can do a lot better for the money Everton will want to sell Rodwell.
Martinez, Thiago, Mata and the Swiss lad, particularly caught the eye.
Martinez, Thiago, Mata and the Swiss lad, particularly caught the eye.
I agree with those poetic thoughts
Didn't start for everton most of the season and will cost around 20 million
I don't think he's worth it
We have a strong basis of home grown players - I'd try to take a prospect like thiago/martinez for that money
Didn't start for everton most of the season and will cost around 20 million
I don't think he's worth it
We have a strong basis of home grown players - I'd try to take a prospect like thiago/martinez for that money
I wouldn't mind another Spanish player in the team.
Easy to get carried away on the basis of a single tournament though.
Senior players like Podolski aside, it was only recently that Royston Drenthe was the best player by far at the U-21s and where is he now?
FWIW, I thought all four of those players you mention looked class but I don't think that takes away from Rodwell's huge potential and the fact he is used to playing in the PL/English/already living in the NW is another big plus.
I thought Martinez looked immense. I'd only seen him a few times otherwise, but I'd take him in a heartbeat. He always wanted the ball, even in difficult areas.
Martinez would be mint.
There's always that risk I suppose. However, with players like Martinez, and Thiago going by their present quality, and potential going forward the risks are minimal. They are exactly the type of players we need, and would sort out our midfield for many years.
It was only two years ago that Toivonen and Berg - the Swedish strike duo - were probably the two most impressive attackers in the competition. I think they've yet to establish themselves in the Swedish national team and they're both nearly 25. I was thinking maybe it was different with midfielders as it's harder to impress and show maturity at that age as you had the likes of Khedira and Ozil excelling in the same tournament, but then you go back to list of best midfielders from 07' that were nominated for team of the tournament and...
Royston Drenthe
Otman Bakkal
Nigel Reo-Coker
Miguel Veloso
Manuel Fernandes
Jan Vertonghen
Alberto Aquilani
They're not all poor players but none are good enough midfielders for us either. It is easy to get carried away.
Royston Drenthe
Otman Bakkal
Nigel Reo-Coker
Miguel Veloso
Manuel Fernandes
Jan Vertonghen
Alberto Aquilani
They're not all poor players but none are good enough midfielders for us either. It is easy to get carried away.
Rodwell is the closest I've seen to Gerrard, and we all know how much Ferguson admires him, he'd fit into our team perfectly, don't think Everton could demand that much when he does'nt start as much as he should, wether due to injuries or not. I'd prefer him to Anderson or Gibson to be honest.
I have to say, I don't see the Gerrard comparisons at all. From what I've seen they play nothing like each other.
When was Gerrard ever a defensive minded midfielder/centre back?
Yeah, ones an attacker who can't defend and the other is a defensive player who struggles in attack, weird.
He used to play defensive midfielder sometimes.
He wasn't very good there though. And he'd be hilarious at centre-back, like Essien was for Chelsea.
I'm not sure I see the Gerrard comparisons either but Rodwell never struck me as a purely defensive midfielder either. Which is why I always found it strange the way he was talked about as a future central defender. Seems like a well-rounded central midfielder who is comfortable at both ends of the pitch.
When was Rodwell?
TBF Veloso is good enough to play Hargreaves role whilst Aquillani if fit is as good a player as Carrick.
As for Vetrnghen, isn't he now a center back full time.
Even I'm good enough to play the Hargreaves role of the last three years, Chief.
Isn´t he
Well when Gerrard started out he was mainly a defensive minded midfielder. So defensive in fact that he was shunted out to playing Right-Back where he performed quite well a number of times through Markus Babbel's illness.
I agree with Sultan. I think from a midfield/defence standpoint it would be a good move but in general there are quality midfielders out there and people talk about potential but we have potential. The only difference is our potential doesn't get games because we are Manchester United and they are Everton (with all due respect to them) a club who are not challenging for the league season after season, who can lose games and who know that if they have a kid and he does well, his valuation goes through the roof.
I'm very much in the 'if we get him fine if we don't fine' camp. Transfer muppets we maybe but it's exciting to wonder how Sir Alex will rebuild the team/squad. I think maybe his goal against United and various other things draw the Gerrard comparison but I think that was more down to a soft centre and some good play by him.There's certainly no evidence to suggest he could score as many as Gerrard has over the years.
I'm very much in the 'if we get him fine if we don't fine' camp. Transfer muppets we maybe but it's exciting to wonder how Sir Alex will rebuild the team/squad. I think maybe his goal against United and various other things draw the Gerrard comparison but I think that was more down to a soft centre and some good play by him.There's certainly no evidence to suggest he could score as many as Gerrard has over the years.
No you are not. You are too fit
No you are not. You are too fit
Are you flirting with me, now?
Tommy Smith said:
back in 2000
By the time Babbel was turning ill, I am pretty sure it was carragher and Xavier stepping in to replace him. Gerrard was a fulltime midfielder by then.
The moment they become stars, Real Madrid and Barcelona will be sniffing around them.
Considerable risk in investing in them unless we're happy with the gains made financially and are prepared to sell, or go to war to keep the player here.
Don't think Rodwell struggles in attack, per se.
He struggles to get himself involved enough in games overall when things aren't going his team's way.
The way I see it, if that happened then it's not doom and gloom. You never know if the player would want to move. If they did, you have a bargaining chip. Maybe there would have a talented player that we want, then we have something to talk about.
Veloso's slow, passive and not that good in the tackle, his best attributes are his long range passing and shooting from what I've seen, and statistically he's made less tackles per game than 19 other players in the Genoa team and played more long balls than anyone in our team Ferdinand aside...which means his best attributes are Hargreaves' worst and vice versa, but yes, Hargreaves role. Regardless, he's all flash and no substance.
Think he's primarily a centre back but I've seen him play both left back and defensive midfield for Belgium.
With regards to comparing him to Gerrard, I don't mean he's an exact copy, but I've seen some similarities, Rodwell can bomb forward and does have a shot on him, he's physically big, just something I've picked up on, I've heard a few people agree and say he's everything to go on and be a successful box-to-box centre midfielder and not a defensive one like he's been labelled, he's more then a presence, very talented is Rodwell.
Well Belgium play with that Defour-Witsel-Fellaini midfield whenever possible, and Kompany-Vermaelen centre back so not much room for Vertonghen to fit through no real fault of his own.
Isn´t he
There have been a few instances over the last three seasons, usually when playing alongside Cahill, that Rodwell has been the more defensive minded of Everton's midfielders but the majority of the time, whether he played alongside Heitinga, Neville, Fellaini, Jagielka or Arteta he would in almost all cases be the more advanced of the two. Last season he also started playing as the most advanced midfielder in a midfield three with Fellaini and Arteta as the deeper two.
As for playing center back, perhaps this is something he did in the reserves or youth teams (maybe he did, I don't know) but as far as I know (and football-lineups.com seems to confirm this) he has never played as a center back for Everton's first team.