I wouldn't!! Not a chance especially Anderson.
Jack Rodwell | Sold to City
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I wouldn't!! Not a chance especially Anderson.
I agree regarding Anderson - I certainly wouldn't be getting shot of him.
I also agree about swap deals being very infrequent (but they are great for tax and asset reasons - can be valued at whatever you like).
The thing with Carrick though (imo) is that if Fergie doesn't trust him anymore, it doesn't matter how high profile he is. If Fergie can get in a player he likes and rates as a replacement it does make sense. Personally I would prefer to see Carrick stay and hargreaves effectively told to F off (while paying straight cash for Rodwell) but I can see the sense in moving Carrick on to make room for Rodwell, and moving him on to Everton makes that little bit more sense as it would probably make signing Rodwell that bit easier.
I also think that when it gets to this stage of the transfer window, this type of deal is a little more likely as the selling club would be running short on time to look for and bring in a replacement from a third party (similar situation to Campbell going to Spurs on loan when we signed Berbatov).
Considering it is a Sun story and SAFs and Gills statements I would say it is a load of codswallop anyway
Awaiting the first, Rodwell seen outside OT claim. Muppet Monday!
Well I already laughed off the ludicrous nature of the story last night, I mean I'm not certain Carrick will regain the form of the past but he's one of only 3 senior central midfielders we have, so swapping him for a 19 year old would be stupid.
I personally think Rodwell will turn into something special and he's one of the few "muppet" transfer targets I see as realistically ending up at United, but the deal will not involve these swap ideas as I can't recall us ever doing that with the clubs high profile names.
As for Anderson being better, I'll just take a wait and see on that, my biggest disappointment with Anderson isn't his lack of consistency, it's the fact he doesn't seem to have progressed from his very promising debut season andand if anything has regressed, maybe he'll do a Nani this season.
he's extremely handsome, I'd grant him that
The thing with Carrick is that he is a very classy and experienced operator. The problem is that people's perceptions of him are extremely soured by a year of poor form. But that doesn't mean that he should be flogged. It wouldn't make any sense, especially with Giggs and Scholes getting on.
We also shouldn't read too much into his relative inactivity in the opening three games - there is a long season ahead and a lot of rotation to come. What I find strange is that people can't seem to countenance the idea that Carrick will return to form. The general consensus seems to be that he's "lost it" and lost Fergie's faith...
A fairer view would be that Scholes' form has been insane and Fletcher over the last three years has rightfully earned his first choice status.
Carrick did an excellent interview the other week, stating that he knows he needs to buck his ideas up. This enforced spell on the sidelines will likely motivate him even more and once he gets the chance, I think he'll be rested, sharp and ready to grab it.
No way should we be considering selling Carrick.
1) Why do you worry that Carrick won't regain form? He's just turned 29 - he's peak age. He's also not the first player to have a poor season.
2) Our experience with Nani should teach us the virtues of having patience with all of our players. It even looks like Berbatov has really finally arrived as a United player. Anderson's season was horribly curtailed by injury last season - let's give him a chance to get back in. I think talking about regression in a 22 year old player is a tad harsh - players of that age have lots of ups and downs.
let the muppetry begin...I wouldn't let go of anyone to add a Rodwell. I'd just sign Rodwell outright.
That there is the answer.
If we believe him to be that much of a talent, then just sign him on his own merits.
I dont think it will be this season though..
young, talneted (?) and English? that's enough for a wank fest aint it
1) I'm not worried, I am just not convinced he will, he might but it's far from certain.
2) For every Nani there are others that simply don't come good, it's like this constant idea that Gibson will develop as Fletcher did but I prefer just to take each player individually. At no point have I suggested selling Anderson or giving up on him, I just hoped to see at least the same decent level of his debut season popping up in the 2 following seasons, fair play on his injury last year cutting the second half of his season out, this is the season for him to stake his claim and hopefully he will.
Hope they found nothing wrong with you
Too much to mention.
All in the head though.
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Good Morning Lads.
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I agree that every player should be judged on their own merits and that just because one came good, it doesn't automatically mean that another will.
But my point relates more to the idea of us having more patience with players, in light of the fact that we've benefited from this with Nani. You'd think that a similarly talented player like Anderson could also flourish with time and the right direction.
There's no need for us to be thinking about cutting our losses with Anderson, imo.
Nani and Anderson are cut from the same cloth no doubt and if Anderson gets a full season in this season then this will be his testing ground I think. I mean cutting losses too early is one thing but this will be season #4 for Anderson and it's a case of him only having 1 year left on his deal after this season, so my guess is if he does well and makes progress we'll re-sign him.
Defensive midfielder is not the position in hand, central midfielder is. For the past two seasons we have undoubtably had the best defense in England, and I really dont understand why we would spend a fortune at Rodwell, because we are not talking about a man that will arrive for little money. Defensive midfielder is only needed against clubs with great attacking midfielders, meaning we really dont need one most games, Fletcher is one of the best in the world at that position, and I think he only gets better and better.
If we were to sign a midfielder we need someone that will improve our attack, not our defense. Cleverley can play central in a 4-4-2 against most opponentes. I think the clue is, get him as much Premier League experience as possible. If we were to loan him to Bolton, it would have to be under the garantee that he would be a starter. I think Cleverley is a man for the future, Rodwell would mean less playingtime and that would not be a good thing. If we sign Rodwell and lend Cleverley to Bolton could be ok though, Wilshere florished under his spell there.
Wow, quite straggering to think that they have both been with us for 4 seasons already.
Time flies.
A Rodwell can potentially add to us what we never had since Keane left. A driving force in central midfield. Someone who helps keeps us solid defensively behind and down the middle of the field but drives our attacks forward from deep with real quality. Signing such a player would never ever affect a Cleverly's development. For a Cleverly's offers something totally different.
If Carrick leaves who will cover Fletch in DM?
Step up, Mr. John O'Shea!
Who ever would have been signed that caused us to kick Carrick out.
Would be a welcome addition to the squad, can't really see them accepting 10mil + Carrick though.
Isnt he much more comfortable on the right rear flank?
Rodwell?
o'shea form is poor.
Is he a defensive midfielder though?
We won't sign him even for next season. Fergie has talked about signing players with experience and maturity when Giggs and Scholes call it a day.
He is the epitome of Rijkaard type anchor man.
as much a DM as Fletcher is.
Experience is counted in matches, not age. Next season Rodwell will have played 3 Premier League seasons, and Premier League experience is the most valueble kind of experience. Most players debut three years later than Rodwell so will equal the experience to many 23-25 year olds.
Signing young players is always better than signing old ones, because they are sitll developing. Ferguson has always prefered signing young options when avalible. The fact that Ferguson wants Rodwell is probably true, but it wont happen this summer.
Signing young players is always better than signing old ones, because they are sitll developing. Ferguson has always prefered signing young options when avalible. The fact that Ferguson wants Rodwell is probably true, but it wont happen this summer.
Yesterday, against Villa, the other lad Seamus Coleman that came on in Rodwell's place did far more good in his little cameo than Rodwell managed throughout the whole game.
Sign him.
Anyone know what number we're giving him? just got my new home shirt and haven't had a name printed on yet
Number 4 when we sell Hargreaves.
have we signed him yet?
excellent, i heard its Ando, not Carrick going the other way