weastie didnt gary play in the centre with stam against barca? I remember him trying to stop that overhead kick by rivaldo
Jaap Stam
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Weastie is right
numlock said:
Brown played rightback did he?
Still doesn't alter the fact that Stam did play.
WeasteDevil said:
Devilish will tell you that he was off form...
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Yes. But you're still wrong.
The thread is not about United having a great defense but about letting the leader of the backline leave (and not directly replacing him, although having no top class CD in summer 2002 is why Rio was bought).
Imagine if United had sold Keane after his injuries, and that own goal against Real in 2000, and not directly replaced him. Would people now be saying it was a wise move to cash in on an aging, slowing player? Doubtful. Some posters just don't realize that Stam was an important player to this side. Even more so if he were partnered with Rio in CD and Gazza and Micky on the flanks with Wes and JOS as cover. That would be an embarrassment of riches. And if Stam were not good enough at United on current form, he'd be on the bench.
Imagine if United had sold Keane after his injuries, and that own goal against Real in 2000, and not directly replaced him. Would people now be saying it was a wise move to cash in on an aging, slowing player? Doubtful. Some posters just don't realize that Stam was an important player to this side. Even more so if he were partnered with Rio in CD and Gazza and Micky on the flanks with Wes and JOS as cover. That would be an embarrassment of riches. And if Stam were not good enough at United on current form, he'd be on the bench.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Looks alright to me.
In the second picture he's saying "thank lads, I fecked up, but now I'm saved. SAF will have forgotten all about it."
SAF didn't!
MrMarcello said:
Stam was never really a leader though
we dont know what goes on behind closed doors at OT.
ferguson makes decisions for the good of manchester united.
thats good enough for me.
if he's fallen out with a player and thinks he cant work with him anymore then also good enough for me.
i do feel for jaap, but at least ferguson is decisive, because indecision is an ill trait for a manager.
he made decision, he stood by it and i think united fans should stand by him.
unless they have a coaching badge of course, then they should yap on about it for years to anyone who'll listen (fewer and fewer will).
stam was a red, but saf is manchester united. even his nose is red ffs.
ferguson makes decisions for the good of manchester united.
thats good enough for me.
if he's fallen out with a player and thinks he cant work with him anymore then also good enough for me.
i do feel for jaap, but at least ferguson is decisive, because indecision is an ill trait for a manager.
he made decision, he stood by it and i think united fans should stand by him.
unless they have a coaching badge of course, then they should yap on about it for years to anyone who'll listen (fewer and fewer will).
stam was a red, but saf is manchester united. even his nose is red ffs.
well honestly speakin if i had the chance to reverse one transfer move by saf, it would be stam one
he is still better than rio
if only he hadnt written that damn book
he is still better than rio
if only he hadnt written that damn book
crappycraperson said:
also agreed!
MrMarcello said:
Off to the boozer in a few for both games.
WeasteDevil said:
Can't really put too much blame on Brown/Stam/Schmeichal for that one. They were playing against probably the best player of the last decade at the peak of his powers.
WeasteDevil said:
It must be said, Schmeichel was shite in our 98/99 CL campaign.
If Jaap is such a liability, why is he reportedly in talks with Milan who have (IMO) the best central defence in the world?
Fergie never intended to sell Stam because he just signed a new contract with us the previous Spring until 2006.
Had he refused a move from United, there is no doubt he would eventually have returned to our shambles of a defence and solved the problems with the money-grabbing Granddad who replaced him.
No-one could possibly argue that Stam would not enhance our squad and had he stayed here he would have retired at around the same time that our young defenders would be truly ready to play in our defence against top European teams.
I've yet to see a striker afraid of facing any of our current centre-halves.
Fergie never intended to sell Stam because he just signed a new contract with us the previous Spring until 2006.
Had he refused a move from United, there is no doubt he would eventually have returned to our shambles of a defence and solved the problems with the money-grabbing Granddad who replaced him.
No-one could possibly argue that Stam would not enhance our squad and had he stayed here he would have retired at around the same time that our young defenders would be truly ready to play in our defence against top European teams.
I've yet to see a striker afraid of facing any of our current centre-halves.
How much time did he need? He came back in jan or feb of 01 and was taken apart in every real game in the preseason. I was watching the charity shield game with pool the other day and heskey made him look real slow a few times.
Im not gonna say ive watched him alot in italy but the football is much slower there
Im not gonna say ive watched him alot in italy but the football is much slower there
numlock said:
Eurosport (c412 Sky Digital) Holland v. USA Live NOW.
He's been bombing forward with great pace like a winger, he's no less a slouch than he was a few years ago.
And I have watched him with Lazio on Eurosport and he IS the defence (in a shit team).
lchk said:
Stam was decent before his op, he was reliant on his pace and after his op he lost a yard or two and struggled.
Blanc has never had pace to rely and played a lot of good football for us.
When the deals went through i cant imagine that their was much between them pace wise but as i said Blanc has been in that boat for 20 yrs, Stam was new to it.
Mr. Bungle said:
Milan also have one of the best strike forces in the world with Inzaghi, Shevchenko, have been linked with Heskey.
devilish said:The Shitty game?
yeah boring, why didnt he play in the Shitty game, dev has you by the balls here.
Youll think twice before you slatt this Malteeser again
Murt said:
You can't be serious?
Stam probably would have been the quicker, but he was no Linford Christie, especially after his op.Floyd said:
You can't be serious?
Murt said:
Stam lost a yard of two or even three after his op, but could still outsprint Blanc, even backwards.
stop been funny milan were never linked with heskey do you believe all what the papers say.It was all a rumour by the press.Murt said:
Murt said:
Point noted.
Murt said:
There WAS a lot of difference in pace between the two, then again anyone's faster than blanc.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Not according to SAF who once claimed that Stam was the best leader that he had ever seen in the defense
But that was before the diary
tokunbo said:
Why believe the Stam rumour and not the Heskey rumour?
A few months back Dev claimed that becasue Juve (or some big iti club) were supposedly intrested in Klose it meant he must be good.
Just cos Utd sold Stam doesn’t make him a dud. (Tbh think it was a mistake unless Stam’d the dressing room against him, in which case the sale makes sense)
Stam’s certainly not finished, looking by the clubs that’re after him. They’re clubs with CL ambitions so they must think he can cut it in Europe (surely they aren’t buying Stam to help Lazio pay off Utd )
Stam’s certainly not finished, looking by the clubs that’re after him. They’re clubs with CL ambitions so they must think he can cut it in Europe (surely they aren’t buying Stam to help Lazio pay off Utd
)Keilyn27 said:
again
Stam’s sale was definitely poor business on Utd’s part (unless you’re from the Leeds School of Financial Management). Utd subsequently splashed out 30m on Rio and it’s still not seen the 16m from the Stam sale. So where’s that good business sense?
Before anyone start on how great the defence was before Rio’s suspension, go back and watch the replays. In games where Utd’s gotten the lead and the midfield’s switched off, the defence often panicked under pressure and it was down to the opposition’s poor finishing that we didn’t concede more.
Currently even with Rio, the defence’s too soft hence the need for 2 DMs to act as the 1st line of defence. A hardman like Stam, even with no pace, would’ve made a difference. At least we won’t have to complain about the defence being bullied by the likes of Duncan Ferguson/Beattie. Rio, for all of his cultured play, needs to realise that his 1st priority as a defender is to stop the opposition from scoring. Hopefully he returns from suspension with his head sorted and he gets physical when the need arises.
Before anyone start on how great the defence was before Rio’s suspension, go back and watch the replays. In games where Utd’s gotten the lead and the midfield’s switched off, the defence often panicked under pressure and it was down to the opposition’s poor finishing that we didn’t concede more.
Currently even with Rio, the defence’s too soft hence the need for 2 DMs to act as the 1st line of defence. A hardman like Stam, even with no pace, would’ve made a difference. At least we won’t have to complain about the defence being bullied by the likes of Duncan Ferguson/Beattie. Rio, for all of his cultured play, needs to realise that his 1st priority as a defender is to stop the opposition from scoring. Hopefully he returns from suspension with his head sorted and he gets physical when the need arises.
What a lot off ppl conveniantly forget about Stam is that in the end it was his decision. He wasnt forced to sign, Fergie was leaving 6 months later so he could have sat it out and waited for a new man, if he was committed to the cause that is, mybe he wanted to go?
Murt said:again
how do you end up comparing heskey and stam
one was never meant to be a footballer, guess who...Murt said:
maybe playing appealed more to him than sitting in the stands for months while collecting his pay. not everyone's a yorke
Murt said:
You can't be serious?
http://www.laziocity.com/en/articoli_pagina.asp?type=3&code=81
So I suppose Veron, Becks, Hughes, Ince, Kanchelski, etc, etc should have stayed as well?
United had gone ahead to negotiate & accept Lazio's offer almost immediately after Stam's book came out & reports that Fergie was furious!
There was a transfer deadline hovering & if a club implicitly says it doesn't want you, then it's time to swallow your pride & do the decent thing & go.
You're implying that it was Stam who wanted to leave, which is ridiculous!
ps - I backed Fergie's decision to sell Stam, but purely because I felt he should not have washed 'dirty linen' in public - a termination act!
However, if Fergie sold him purely because of his poor performances on the field, then he made an error simply because he had not made preparations for adequate cover/replacements & it was very close to the European transfer deadline!
He only turned to Blanc after the Stam deal to Lazio was done & that showed it was an afterthought. ( It was reported that Blanc was approached only after attempts for Hofland, Cannavaro and Roberto Ayala failed! )
In fact he almost didn't get to sign Blanc before the deadline - it was that close!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/sports_talk/1513047.stm
[The search for a replacement hit a snag as PSV Eindhoven, Parma and Valencia all stated their intent to hold onto contenders Kevin Hoflund, Fabio Cannavaro and Roberto Ayala.
Finally, it seems Fergie has found his man in the former French international and Inter Milan defender.
Blanc, 35, is believed to have been offered a lucrative one-year deal worth £2m. ]
Keilyn27 said:how do you end up comparing heskey and stam
Im obviously not comparing Heskey (a striker) to Stam a defender. What im doing is point out the stupidy of ppl who claim that if a big club is reportedly intrested in someone then he must be good.
Keilyn27 said:
If he really wanted to stay he would have, Yorke hung in there because he thought Fergie was going. Stam didnt exactly take a long time over his decision did he?
Floyd said:It must be said, Schmeichel was shite in our 98/99 CL campaign.
Yeah, he was very inconsistent that season, which is often forgotten
kkcbl said:
Veron was obviously surplus to requirements, we signed a few more midfielders, Fergie had decided he didnt want fit into his plans anymore. Fergie will be a round for a few yrs yet so Veron did the right thing and went to Chelsea who have as good a potential as anyone.
Fergie obviously told Hughes that he was the odd man out with Cole arriving so he did what was best for all and moved off.
Ince wanted to go.
Kanchelski wanted to go.
Difference with Stam is that a new man was going to be coming in soon, he could have stayed, sat tight for a yr and waited for his chance. Look at Yorke, he knew he was fuched but he figured fergie would be gone soon. When Fergie told the players he was staying they apparently laughed at Yorke and said "thats you fuched".
Murt said:
Don't you think there are players who really want to earn their money?