Jaap Stam

An Extremely Boring Man said:
When was Saha forced to the bench? :confused:
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I cannot see the reason why SAF would have sent Saha on the bench expecially after such a positive debut. But I suspect its due to the fact that when Manchester United returned to the 4 - 4 - 2 formation WE STARTED LEAKING GOALS FROM EVERY SIDE.

Do you share my same thought Boring? Its hard for you but do try to think comeon.
 
devilish said:
I cannot see the reason why SAF would have sent Saha on the bench expecially after such a positive debut. But I suspect its due to the fact that when Manchester United returned to the 4 - 4 - 2 formation WE STARTED LEAKING GOALS FROM EVERY SIDE.

Do you share my same thought Boring? Its hard for you but do try to think comeon.
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Saha has not been on the bench yet - he's started every game he could play in so far! :rolleyes:
 
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Saha has not been on the bench yet - he's started every game he could play in so far! :rolleyes:
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The Shitty game? :rolleyes:
 
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Have I ever said anything else?
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Would I be too rude with you if I ask a list of those occasions whom you think that SAF had made a mistake and whether or not the signing of Mister Blanc to replace Mister Stam was one of them?
 
devilish said:
Would I be too rude with you if I ask a list of those occasions whom you think that SAF had made a mistake and whether or not the signing of Mister Blanc to replace Mister Stam was one of them?
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You can ask as much as you want
 
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Just did
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Then list what you think that according to you were SAF's mistakes and if replacing Stam with Blanc was one of them

Thanks
 
Plechazunga said:
But to pretend Rio's anywhere near as good a defender is deluded.
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I know I wouldn't swap Rio for Stam, that's for sure. We look like shite defensively now after Rio took his vacation.

Wes better than Rio my ass.

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Plechazunga said:
If he had to go he had to go. But to pretend Rio's anywhere near as good a defender is deluded.
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Rio is an excellent defender but his characteristics are different from Stam's (and therefore the two players cannot be compared). I mean Rio is the elegant type of defender, he is fast, he has a good contribution of the ball and is technically very gifted. In few words He is a sort of a younger and faster Blanc. Stam on the other hand is a different type of defender He is physically very strong, excellent in tackling and suitable to do the "dirty work" in the defense. In few words if Rio is a "faster" Blanc then Stam is a younger Desailly.

Its such a pity that Stam had left. With him partnering Rio and with Mickey and Gaz on the flanks Manchester United would have had the best defense in the world


Simple
 
devilish said:
Rio is an excellent defender but his characteristics are different from Stam's (and therefore the two players cannot be compared). I mean Rio is the elegant type of defender, he is fast, he has a good contribution of the ball and is technically very gifted. In few words He is a sort of a younger and faster Blanc. Stam on the other hand is a different type of defender He is physically very strong, excellent in tackling and suitable to do the "dirty work" in the defense. In few words if Rio is a "faster" Blanc then Stam is a younger Desailly.

Its such a pity that Stam had left. With him partnering Rio and with Mickey and Gaz on the flanks Manchester United would have had the best defense in the world


Simple
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I bet you were confused when you discovered that you'd left 13m new signing out of your squad for the City game eh?
 
Floyd said:
I know I wouldn't swap Rio for Stam, that's for sure.
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Not now I wouldn't but we missed the camp commandant the last couple of seasons. I 'll reserve judgement on Wes till the end of the season. He has an opportunity to prove everyone wrong.
 
An example of a game with the god Stam in defence:

21/04/1999 Juventus vs United - 2 goals conceded in 11 minutes.

In that group phase of the CL that season, where we came second, yet still qualified, we let in 11 goals, to Barca's 9 and Bayern's 6. Only Brondby did worse, letting in 18. Of Barca's 9, we scored 6 of them, and of Bayern's 6, we scored 3 of them. Of Brondby's 18, we scored 11 of them.

fecking good job we could almost score at will in that season, because there was many a match where we leaked goals like hell (11 goals in 6 games, almost 2 a game). Scored only 4 less than the other 3 put together though. Winning that season was feck all to do with Stam, but rather our imperious attack.
 
devilish said:
If I remember well Jaap Stam was the leader of the 1999 – 00 defense which enabled Manchester United to win the EPL title in the Easter. The same Manchester United side that according to SAF was the BEST Manchester United side in HISTORY. Am I right Boring? No one would have ever dreamt that that team, strengthened by Veron Blanc and RVN yet orphaned by Stam would have ended THIRD in the league.

If I remember well during the 99 – 00 season the defense was already showing signs of decline. Yet although there were many reasons that suggested that our defense needed strengthening (Johnsen and May were becoming injury prone and Irwin was showing signs of age), Stam was not one of the reasons. He showed great solidity that year until he picked up an injury at the end of the season, an injury that hindered Stam’s form for a considerable time.
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Utd conceded almost 50 goals in the league that season and then got barthez for the next season. Stam got injured and neville and brown played together and the defense conceded around 30 goals in the league and they won the title at a similar time as the season before but didnt reach the points total of the previous season since many youngsters played. You could argue that part of the reason they conceded fewer goals was that they were a little more defensive but still.

And why even talk about rio and stam together? That wouldnt have happened.
 
Floyd said:
I know I wouldn't swap Rio for Stam, that's for sure. We look like shite defensively now after Rio took his vacation.

Wes better than Rio my ass.

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I don't think rio is far off what Stam was at his peak

But then again, I seem to rate Rio more than most on here

Best player in the last world cup (alongside Ronaldo) my mate Sven told me last week ;)
 
Davo said:
I bet you were confused when you discovered that you'd left 13m new signing out of your squad for the City game eh?
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Gutted I was - having all those goals forcing the most 'in form' striker in the league to sit on the bench in the derby :wenger:
 
WeasteDevil said:
An example of a game with the god Stam in defence:

21/04/1999 Juventus vs United - 2 goals conceded in 11 minutes.

In that group phase of the CL that season, where we came second, yet still qualified, we let in 11 goals, to Barca's 9 and Bayern's 6. Only Brondby did worse, letting in 18. Of Barca's 9, we scored 6 of them, and of Bayern's 6, we scored 3 of them. Of Brondby's 18, we scored 11 of them.

fecking good job we could almost score at will in that season, because there was many a match where we leaked goals like hell (11 goals in 6 games, almost 2 a game). Scored only 4 less than the other 3 put together though. Winning that season was feck all to do with Stam, but rather our imperious attack.
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So you're a saying Stam was shit and all those UEFA managers who voted him top defender in 98-99 and 99-00 are clueless?

I could go on and point out United conceeded 1 goal over 2 legs vs. Inter with Stam...conceeded 1 goal in the semifinal leg at home to Juve with Stam...conceeded 1 goal to Bayern in the final (on a free kick no less) with Stam. Held Bayern to 1 goal in that crucial group phase match at OT...with Stam. Your points are similar to Rush Limbaugh or Michael Moore- you only present certain facts to make your claim look golden.

BTW, United never lost a CL match in 98-99, despite the "leaky" defense. Winning had as much to do with luck and resolve as it did offense and defense. United was very fortunate when the defense was bad or the attack was stymied.

Judging by your comments on Stam, I can only imagine how you will talk about Butt when he leaves...or feel that Cole and Yorke were shit...or that Ronny was crap.

Oh, and here you can see the lineups United used in 98-99 CL.
98-99 CL statistics
 
An Extremely Boring Man said:
I don't think rio is far off what Stam was at his peak

But then again, I seem to rate Rio more than most on here

Best player in the last world cup (alongside Ronaldo) my mate Sven told me last week ;)
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Sven did not say that, and even if he had it wouldn't have mattered as he is an imbecile.

What he said was: "Yeeees. For me, the best, ha ha, play-yer, of, the world, cup, was...Ni-ckibutt. That is very nice. We had, many occasions. But in, the second half, yes, we suffered. We suffered much. Very difficult. Nicky Butt. Occasions."

My mate's got 500 quid on him going to Spurs. if he wins he gets 30 grand.
 
Plechazunga said:
Sven did not say that, and even if he had it wouldn't have mattered as he is an imbecile.

What he said was: "Yeeees. For me, the best, ha ha, play-yer, of, the world, cup, was...Ni-ckibutt. That is very nice. We had, many occasions. But in, the second half, yes, we suffered. We suffered much. Very difficult. Nicky Butt. Occasions."

My mate's got 500 quid on him going to Spurs. if he wins he gets 30 grand.
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He actually did say he thought Rio and Ronaldo were the best players in the world cup - in Swedish mind you ;)
 
MrMarcello said:
Judging by your comments on Stam, I can only imagine how you will talk about Butt when he leaves...or feel that Cole and Yorke were shit...or that Ronny was crap. [/URL]
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I never said he was shit, where did I say that?

In fact, I actually liked him, thought that he was great for us, but to say he is/was the best thing since sliced bread, and that we miss his presence on the pitch is in all honesty ludicrous. The away game to Juve is a case in point. 2 goals conceded in the first 11 minutes, and whilst he was partnering Johnsen, the best central defensive partnership we had at the time. Some of you make it out as if when he played we never conceded a goal.
 
WeasteDevil said:
I never said he was shit, where did I say that?

In fact, I actually liked him, thought that he was great for us, but to say he is/was the best thing since sliced bread, and that we miss his presence on the pitch is in all honesty ludicrous. The away game to Juve is a case in point. 2 goals conceded in the first 11 minutes, and whilst he was partnering Johnsen, the best central defensive partnership we had at the time. Some of you make it out as if when he played we never conceded a goal.
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I agree. But people who blame Wes for everything that's gone wrong since Rio left are talking bollocks too. Josh's been shite, Tim's been a bit shaky, Mik's not been as spectacular (even his head has looked less kidney-shaped which bodes ill), and gaz hasn't been there. Added to all that, we've been playing with one less defensive midfielder.

It's not all Wes's fault, give the boy time. I still think he's a better footballer than Rio.
 
Here's another:

25/11/98 Barcelona vs United

Central Defence: Brown - Stam
Goals Conceded: 3 : 1, 57,73

Of course, that was all Wes Brown's fault. Or should we blame it on good ol' Peter Schmeichel?
 
WeasteDevil said:
I never said he was shit, where did I say that?

In fact, I actually liked him, thought that he was great for us, but to say he is/was the best thing since sliced bread, and that we miss his presence on the pitch is in all honesty ludicrous. The away game to Juve is a case in point. 2 goals conceded in the first 11 minutes, and whilst he was partnering Johnsen, the best central defensive partnership we had at the time. Some of you make it out as if when he played we never conceded a goal.
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That would be silly to say was the greatest and the United defense was a brick wall at all times. But I do think it was a bad move to offload the club's top defender, especially in the PL where a tough, no-nonsense type CD is a valuable commodity.

United conceeded 2 goals in 11 minutes...but how many did Juve score the last 79+added time?
 
MrMarcello said:
United conceeded 2 goals in 11 minutes...but how many did Juve score the last 79+added time?
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That is not the point, we shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. Especially after letting them score an away goal, a match only just saved by a Giggs goal in the 90th minute. Jesus, if it wasn't for some extraordinary attacking football, we wouldn't have lifted the cup.

Look at it, qualify second from the group with the second worse away goals numbers, draw at home by the skin of our teeth in the semi final, then go 2 down in the first 11 minutes of the second leg away, only then to go and score three. Come on, 95% of posters that night had probably given up come 20 minutes. It was not that defence that won us the European Cup, it was our fantastic attack.
 
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