An Extremely Boring Man said:
If that's the case, I think it was a rather wise move by SAF to sell him.
That being said, we should NEVER have paid Lazio up front for Veron.
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If that's the case, I think it was a rather wise move by SAF to sell him.
That being said, we should NEVER have paid Lazio up front for Veron.
We should never have paid Lazio FULL STOP for Veron
Murt said:
Like a CL Final.
An Extremely Boring Man said:We should never have paid Lazio FULL STOP for Veron
Even better.
Man, was he crap or what....
An Extremely Boring Man said:
If I remember well Jaap Stam was the leader of the 1999 – 00 defense which enabled Manchester United to win the EPL title in the Easter. The same Manchester United side that according to SAF was the BEST Manchester United side in HISTORY. Am I right Boring? No one would have ever dreamt that that team, strengthened by Veron Blanc and RVN yet orphaned by Stam would have ended THIRD in the league.
If I remember well during the 99 – 00 season the defense was already showing signs of decline. Yet although there were many reasons that suggested that our defense needed strengthening (Johnsen and May were becoming injury prone and Irwin was showing signs of age), Stam was not one of the reasons. He showed great solidity that year until he picked up an injury at the end of the season, an injury that hindered Stam’s form for a considerable time.
Only a tool would not see a Gazza-Rio-Stam-Micky back four as a great defense. Stam in the back allows both Rio and Micky to move forward and not be caught out of position as much. Micky is playing solid at CB, but his passing and pace is sorely missed at LB. Selling Stam was a rash decision (purely to make some money back off the Veron move to line the coffers of major shareholders) and signing Blanc was a panic move. It disrupted the entire team when selling the top defender right after the start of the season. Had SAF sold Stam and made a move for Thuram or Ayala or Campbell, I could have understood the move. One class defender out, another class defender in. Instead, he signs an aging defender looking for one massive final payday (which Blanc earned approximately 6 million quid in two seasons with United). A player that had turned down the club on at least two prior occassions. It was a bad move and the final result of 2001-02 proved it. The club came back last season and played great football in the second half, coincidently with Blanc not playing much.
devilish said:
Waffle, waffle...
I'm just saying that even with Stam in the side, we could have conceded the 8 goals in 3 games, as proved in 1999.
Orphaned
Stam's gone. Live with it, and shut up!
MrMarcello said:
Even if all you say was right, what should we do about it now? Slit our wrists?
MrMarcello said:
When a year ago I said the same things about Blanc and Stam I was slated by the entire CAF. How things had changed since then.
I agree with every word that you have said. Yet Blanc refused us 4 TIMES and not 2
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Of course not. I just think Stam should have stuck around and played out his contract and left OT as a legend, like Bruce and Pallister. Surely if Southgate and Keown can still thrive in the PL, Stam would.
But the sale occurred and United live on. However, I still would like to find a potentially world class CB, someone like Mexes or Alex. Someone that could come in and become a leader in the back four. And if this means moving Micky to LB, so be it. Whatever makes United a better side, I'm all for.
devilish said:
Nothing has changed - everyone still think you're a muppet!
An Extremely Boring Man said:
But is he right?
Your Reluctance in not giving a direct answer to this question is keeping this argument on.
MrMarcello said:
Heard about Rio Ferdinand?
devilish said:
Slated? Surely you mean slatted ??
An Extremely Boring Man said:
At least I am not a
You twat
devilish said:
There is no right or wrong.
I think we did the right thing.
And I wouldn't like to see Silvestre anywhere near the left back spot.
devilish said:At least I am not a
You twat
No, you're nowhere near being a Wenger. He knows about football. You're clueless about it.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Can't argue with that.
Stam still is a quality defender even though he's no longer with us.
MrMarcello said:
Alex?
MrMarcello said:
That's mighty big of you.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Rio is a different player from Stam. Claiming that Rio is similar to Stam is like saying that Beckham and Figo have the same characterisitics just because they happen to play on the flank. We are still lacking of a powerful defender and a tackler who can organise the back and be capable to close the gap. Someone like Bruce, like Desailly, like Stam
Murt said:
Too slow? Who was faster - Stam or his replacement Blanc?
An Extremely Boring Man said:
when I did the
I wasnt referring to Wenger but I was referring to a Blind supporter, with no brains to thinkdevilish said:
I've not said they were the same.
Our defensive will do me fine; I don't see a need for replacing any of Gary Neville, Rio, Silvestre or O'Shea.
devilish said:when I did the
I don't think anyone on this forum are blind, and most people apart from yourself and a few others got a brain.
MrMarcello said:
Well said. Hopefully this will shut the blinkered morons (who believe that Stam is crap) up.
Dev, is Stam really any good these days?
I don't follow Italien football as it's DEAD boring, but from what I've heard Stam plays as the right central defender in a three back system.
Apparantly he plays rather mediocre as well.
Enlighten me.
I don't follow Italien football as it's DEAD boring, but from what I've heard Stam plays as the right central defender in a three back system.
Apparantly he plays rather mediocre as well.
Enlighten me.
lchk said:
I've yet to see anyone that claims Stam is crap.
Floyd said:
Oh dear, here comes another essay full of waffle from the Malteser
Floyd said:
The tall, physical CD that plays in Brazil, for Sao Paolo I believe. Probably headed to Spain or Italy this summer. He's drawing rave reviews. Perhaps one of our Brazilian colleagues can give us insight.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Before giving my final judgement about this defense Id rather wait to see this defensive line up perform at a 4 – 4 – 2 formation. I mean without Rio our defense had played so horribly that had forced SAF’s hand to return to the old 4 – 2 – 3 –1 formation and therefore leaving on of the most in form striker in the EPL on the bench. Therefore either Rio (although I believe that he is an excellent defender) can do miracles or else we really need another defender (Something that SAF himself had stated at the end of last seasons campaign)
Floyd said:
No Floyd Stam is now playing as a central back in a 4 - 4 - 2 formation. He took that role as soon as Nesta left. And I doubt that he is playing thaat crap if AC Milan, Juventus and Inter wants him right?
An Extremely Boring Man said:
Funny. I could have sworn I read it a few times in this thread alone.
devilish said:
I'm sure Sir Alex is looking forward to receive your final judgement on the defense...
What in-form striker has been forced to the bench?
An Extremely Boring Man said:Oh dear, here comes another essay full of waffle from the Malteser
Surprisingly enough, he kept it pretty short.
Floyd said:
I'm in a state of shock
An Extremely Boring Man said:
a)He doesnt need me to see the obvious AEBM.
b) Saha maybe?
MrMarcello said:
Thanks.
Don't want any South American central defender, though.
devilish said:And I doubt that he is playing thaat crap if AC Milan, Juventus and Inter wants him right?
That doesn't really answer my question.
An Extremely Boring Man said:
What maybe you have finally understood that even SAF can do mistakes in his life?
devilish said:
When was Saha forced to the bench?