Ivan Perisic

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Most of the caf was relieved when his transfer to us fell through last summer. Looking back, it's obvious that Perisic crosses to Lukaku would have been a rich easy supply line of goals all season, as well as Perisic himself scoring a few of his own. Would still have meant not playing Martial/ Rashford too often, but the end result would have been us challenging for more last season. Instead we screwed around with Inter offering 35m instead of 50m, whilst City were signing up fullbacks for 30-50m without batting an eyelid. Oh well, there's always this summer to try make amends.

I'm not a Jose fanboy but it's clear that he's pretty savvy in the transfer market, particularly with unfancied unglamorous players who you know will end up putting a great shift in and, in Perisic's case, isn't exactly lacking in quality either.
Problem was off of that season previously at Inter his crossing was poor. They were often over hit, his cross completion numbers were terrible so it’s not like it was a guaranteed goals supply. He was never worth 50 mil where cities fullbacks were worth a higher value. Maybe not 50 mil but I would have happily paid more for Walker and Mendy. Add in they wanted Martial who it seems we value around 80mil if reports are true. Sounds like great buisness, telling them to get lost. We also signed Sanchez like 5 months later. Who would you have rather had.
 
Problem was off of that season previously at Inter his crossing was poor. They were often over hit, his cross completion numbers were terrible so it’s not like it was a guaranteed goals supply. He was never worth 50 mil where cities fullbacks were worth a higher value. Maybe not 50 mil but I would have happily paid more for Walker and Mendy. Add in they wanted Martial who it seems we value around 80mil if reports are true. Sounds like great buisness, telling them to get lost. We also signed Sanchez like 5 months later. Who would you have rather had.

Cross completion numbers never tells you the story. A great cross can still be a not completed one and a terrible one can be a completed one. It's all about how effectively he can put the ball into the box.

He always does that, problem is he is a tournament player. If anyone expects we get the same perisic week in week out then they will be disappointed. Like most wide players, he is inconsistent.
 
Cross completion numbers never tells you the story. A great cross can still be a not completed one and a terrible one can be a completed one. It's all about how effectively he can put the ball into the box.

He always does that, problem is he is a tournament player. If anyone expects we get the same perisic week in week out then they will be disappointed. Like most wide players, he is inconsistent.
Yep, Valencia apparently had the highest cross completion in the league recently, but anybody can tell you that's rubbish.

He more than likely hits it so far it goes over everybody and the other fullback receives it :lol:
 
Yep, Valencia apparently had the highest cross completion in the league recently, but anybody can tell you that's rubbish.

He more than likely hits it so far it goes over everybody and the other fullback receives it :lol:

Exactly. We all know Baines was such a good crosser, even at his peak for 1-2 completed crosses he had 5-6 inaccurate crosses. Doesn't mean it was hit and miss.
 
Cross completion numbers never tells you the story. A great cross can still be a not completed one and a terrible one can be a completed one. It's all about how effectively he can put the ball into the box.

He always does that, problem is he is a tournament player. If anyone expects we get the same perisic week in week out then they will be disappointed. Like most wide players, he is inconsistent.
Very true but on top of that if people had watched him that season they could see his crossing was poor on top of the completion numbers. It’s also not like Icardi is a useless striker. Peresic is a hard working player and no doubt that is what is impressing Jose but having seen him from his BVB days up to his Inter days I think we can do better. Actually we did do better we got Sanchez.

Edit: aye Balencia did the season we had Zlatan up top. Fellaini was played often but I wouldn’t call what Valencia did as a cross. To me it’s the quality of the cross that counts and Peresic ain’t got that.
 
Very true but on top of that if people had watched him that season they could see his crossing was poor on top of the completion numbers. It’s also not like Icardi is a useless striker. Peresic is a hard working player and no doubt that is what is impressing Jose but having seen him from his BVB days up to his Inter days I think we can do better. Actually we did do better we got Sanchez.

Edit: aye Balencia did the season we had Zlatan up top. Fellaini was played often but I wouldn’t call what Valencia did as a cross. To me it’s the quality of the cross that counts and Peresic ain’t got that.

He is very much different player from Dortmund days. It's not whether Icardi is great or useless, if a player puts in dangerous cross and isn't met by attacking player then it's a failed cross. One consistent thing you get from Perisic is, he will whip in some very good crosses.

I watched him play regularly as Inter is my second team and follow them in Serie A, he had good season in 2016-17 but like I said, he isn't the player who is average and he isn't the player who is a must buy. He is good player and comes up with moment of brilliance. He isn't the same player week in week out though, we saw peak Perisic in the world cup and we won't get this every week from him.

Now that we have signed Sanchez, this signing doesnt make any sense.
 
And what about Euro 2016 or the qualifiers where he played games on the right? Yes, you are wrong, your just another person who judges a player on a few minutes. I mean, i guessing you are aware Rebic mainly plays on the left for his club? But for some bizarre reason played on the right for Croatia..

Its not my fault if you cant perceive that the tactic was to play byline wingers to provide crosses for Mandzukic rather than ones that cut in looking to shoot, but its nothing new, last year he supposedly sh!it, now hes not, thats the cafe for you.


Wow, the second sentence is ludicrous, maybe try watching our games harder. It happens. Did you ever watch Mou's Chelsea with Duff and Robben? Two left footed players that were switching....

So what would be the point of us getting Persic in if he’s not s buyline winger and prefers to cut in and shoot like the rest of our current crop?
 
We would be all over him if he was a few years younger and would have only 2 years on his contract. Stupid move to sign an extension last summer, we wont touch him for the price Inter will ask now
 
How was he for Inter last season.

Read on twitter that he was largely poor.
 
Didn't know enough about him before, all I'd seen were highlights but the WC showed he is class, is passionate, brave and determined. Sounds good enough to me - especially as I don't immediately see anyone miles better right now.
 
Didn't know enough about him before, all I'd seen were highlights but the WC showed he is class, is passionate, brave and determined. Sounds good enough to me - especially as I don't immediately see anyone miles better right now.
We've got Sanchez already. And Martial. And Rashford.

If we're not going to move Sanchez to the right to accommodate two hugely promising young players, it'd be madness to move him to accommodate another player pushing 30.
 
Wasn't overly enthused by the prospect of him coming last summer, but what a World Cup he had, played very well and also extremely hard working.
 
This. His crossing is very overrated here, in the biggest match of his life, when he was in form, when his team had all the possession he could not put one decent cross in.

Besides crosses these days have to damn good to be converted into goals, defenders are well drilled these days to keep them out.

Which is it? As your second paragraph completely contradicts your first.
 
Which is it? As your second paragraph completely contradicts your first.
what's the contradiction? Perisic is inconsistent in his crossing. The only plus we keep hearing about Perisic in attack is his amazing talent of crossing, which many defences are adept at keeping out save for a few world class deliveries.
 
what's the contradiction? Perisic is inconsistent in his crossing. The only plus we keep hearing about Perisic in attack is his amazing talent of crossing, which many defences are adept at keeping out save for a few world class deliveries.

Did you watch world cup? And still believe crossing is only thing the will add?
 
This. His crossing is very overrated here, in the biggest match of his life, when he was in form, when his team had all the possession he could not put one decent cross in. Besides crosses these days have to damn good to be converted into goals, defenders are well drilled these days to keep them out.

You are scrambling here. Just admit he is a good player and we missed out last summer.
 
You are scrambling here. Just admit he is a good player and we missed out last summer.

He/she's not. Made the same point last year. He's an inefficient crosser. The stats tell as much. He averaged 0.6 accurate crosses to 4.8 inaccurate ones in 37 games. Our own Valencia for example averaged 0.5 accurate crosses to 2.1 inaccurate crosses per game. The latter is seen as a bad player in that regard. The season before last Valencia was actually better than Perisic in terms of accurate crosses. Perisic's Croatian team-mate Kramaric averaged 1.4 accurates crosses per game for Hoffenheim. Leon Bailey from Leverkusen had 2.3 accurate crosses to 4.2 inaccurate ones. James Rodriguez 1.8 accurate crosses to 3.9 inaccurate. Malcom 1.5 accurate to 3.9 inaccurate. Thomas Lemar 1.5 accurate to 4.1 inaccurate. Christian Eriksen 1.4 accurate crosses to 4.6 inaccurate.
 
Sorry but how do you determine an accurate or inaccurate cross? That’s a completely ridiculous metric for a game of football.

Perisic can deliver a strong cross quickly into the danger area. A lot of his crosses will benefit fast breaks or a striker who puts himself on the end of them. Croatia’s tactics were clearly to gamble on getting as many crosses into the box as possible and try and cause problems, which Perisic did well.

When did wing play become about hitting a cross completely unopposed by any defenders?

In any event there is plenty to this guy’s game and whether you think he should be signed, or not, he’d clearly be good at United if we did bring him in.
 
Sorry but how do you determine an accurate or inaccurate cross? That’s a completely ridiculous metric for a game of football.

Fairly easy. Same way a pass is accurate or inaccurate. Meaning whether it reached a team-mate.

Perisic can deliver a strong cross quickly into the danger area. A lot of his crosses will benefit fast breaks or a striker who puts himself on the end of them. Croatia’s tactics were clearly to gamble on getting as many crosses into the box as possible and try and cause problems, which Perisic did well.

Plenty of players can deliver "strong" crosses. The point is the ratio. Perisic's isn't as good as those of others and was worse than Valencia's the season before last.

When did wing play become about hitting a cross completely unopposed by any defenders?

It hasn't. Similar to other passes, crosses will be defended, which is taken into account by the inaccurate measure.
 
Looked ok at the World Cup. But, For my money, he's another that drifts inside not an out and out winger so don't know what the jabber about crossing is, he's right footed so we would have the same problems we have with young, someone who always has to stop at the byline to change foot. Also at 29 probably doesn't have enough time left at his peak to warrant investment and I don't think he's quick enough for the premier league. Wouldn't want him personally
 
I'd rather have bought Perisic last season than Sanchez in January. He would've been a better fit for the team because he's a natural winger. Could also have played LWB. No point buying him now.
 
You are scrambling here. Just admit he is a good player and we missed out last summer.
He played very well in this world cup, but I'll not accept that he had a better season than Martial last year despite being a consistent starter and absolutely don't think we missed out on him at all.
 
Looked ok at the World Cup. But, For my money, he's another that drifts inside not an out and out winger so don't know what the jabber about crossing is, he's right footed so we would have the same problems we have with young, someone who always has to stop at the byline to change foot. Also at 29 probably doesn't have enough time left at his peak to warrant investment and I don't think he's quick enough for the premier league. Wouldn't want him personally

Not quick enough? He's rapid.
 
Looked ok at the World Cup. But, For my money, he's another that drifts inside not an out and out winger so don't know what the jabber about crossing is, he's right footed so we would have the same problems we have with young, someone who always has to stop at the byline to change foot. Also at 29 probably doesn't have enough time left at his peak to warrant investment and I don't think he's quick enough for the premier league. Wouldn't want him personally

He can use both feet. He is both strong and quick enough for the premier league.
 
Fairly easy. Same way a pass is accurate or inaccurate. Meaning whether it reached a team-mate.

So a player can overhit a cross and if it ends up with the winger on the opposite side it is an accurate cross?
 
So a player can overhit a cross and if it ends up with the winger on the opposite side it is an accurate cross?

Or, it can be an absolute beauty but the striker hesitates and the keeper or defender gets something on it, and it’s apparently inaccurate?

It’s bizarre.
 
He can use both feet. He is both strong and quick enough for the premier league.

Didn't look that fast to me. I saw he Can use both feet but seems to swing his left a bit more and seems to use his right more. I just Don't think we need him and I don't think we will sign him. Hard worker and consistent etc etc but not world class. If he was a bigger club than inter would have signed him years ago.
 
Didn't look that fast to me. I saw he Can use both feet but seems to swing his left a bit more and seems to use his right more. I just Don't think we need him and I don't think we will sign him. Hard worker and consistent etc etc but not world class. If he was a bigger club than inter would have signed him years ago.

Didnt claim he was world class. Still a very good player and would be one of the best wingers in the league. I dont think we will sign him either.
 
Yeah that’s not how crosses work.

Do tell how they work then.

So a player can overhit a cross and if it ends up with the winger on the opposite side it is an accurate cross?

Now, you are scrambling. How often does that actually happen? Considering the attacking team keeps the ball and you don't lose the ball, calling it an accurate cross isn't exactly wrong. Whether opta is measuring those crosses as accurate ones, I don't know.
 
What about from what you watched?
He is a wildly inconsistent player, good on his day, he had an amazing world cup TBF. He tracks back well, works hard, he'd be very good in a counter attacking team, when given lots of space, but I don't think he has what it takes to unlock defences that we face in PL week in, week out.
 
Do tell how they work then.



Now, you are scrambling. How often does that actually happen? Considering the attacking team keeps the ball and you don't lose the ball, calling it an accurate cross isn't exactly wrong. Whether opta is measuring those crosses as accurate ones, I don't know.

You can put in a good cross and it still be regarded as inaccurate though? That’s my point with stats like that, it doesn’t really show the whole picture.
 
He is a wildly inconsistent player, good on his day, he had an amazing world cup TBF. He tracks back well, works hard, he'd be very good in a counter attacking team, when given lots of space, but I don't think he has what it takes to unlock defences that we face in PL week in, week out.

Yeah, only the World Cup winner’s.
 
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