You are aware that this is true for other players as well, and they still have a better ratio than Perisic?
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You are aware that this is true for other players as well, and they still have a better ratio than Perisic?
As the saying goes, one swallow doesn't make a summer.
What id like to see is some very quick business - buy Perisic and stop all the Bale rumors, move onto strengthening our backline.
Don't bother, whatever stats you put up, it will still be believed that Perisic is an amazing crosser. He plays pretty much every game for Inter with a world class striker and still can only put numbers close to Martial's, who only half the season.
And that’s it really isn’t it. Martial fanboys and their agenda posting.
Yes and you would have to take into account the context of the games and the style of teams. I think he is a good crosser of the ball, those stats dont mean much to me.
Where do you get the stats?
I saw your crossing stats matches those of Whoscored crosses per game = average stats. So need clarification.
It's a case of assumption base on lack of evidence than anything else. Key passes, assists ain't world apart.
Stats wise there ain't much between Perisic and Valencia as you posed, but it's not hard to anyone to see the contrast difference if they're to watch these 2 teams play
I don't watch enough of Hoffenheim to say I know how overall Kramaric perform, but I followed Croatia enough to confirm he's not as good crosser, and there is reason for someone who lack all kind of end product like Rebic is preferred for the role of causing chaos and pressure relief. Assist stats and key passes stats show Kramaric is far from other players (only better than Valencia). Eriksen is a level on his own while there ain't much between key passes and assist stats between them. Then consider the context that Perisic is considered the most hard worker of these wide attacker, and Serie A is more defensive oriented with more even quality between the 2 leading teams.
So unless we can have compilation of all the crosses (preferred the whole sequence of play) to judge, to draw conclusion base on stats is anything but accuracy.
https://www.whoscored.com/Statistics
Go to player stats, then to detailed, then to category, choose passes there and then type. You can sort it by crosses, freekicks and corners. If you go to the profile of a player, whoscored only shows the accurate crosses.
What I've seen of Perisic's crossing during his time in Germany and at Inter matches his stats in that regard. Which is why I am arguing that there are better players in comparison. I am not arguing that Kramaric is a better player.
Yup but they're not out and out wingers though.
Wait, people are arguing about whether he's an efficient crosser? 
crosses are inefficient by definition. Even Beckham wasn't an efficient crosser if you look at stats
Perisic is a good crosser, with both feet. From what i've seen in three seasons at inter, he's considerably better on the left than the right and crosses better with his left foot
crosses are inefficient by definition. Even Beckham wasn't an efficient crosser if you look at stats Perisic is a good crosser, with both feet. From what i've seen in three seasons at inter, he's considerably better on the left than the right and crosses better with his left foot
With Bale looking like he will stay put, Perisic should absolutely be the wide player we sign. Willian is a great option too but I'd prefer Perisic. He has played on the right or Alexis can go right. They've both been there plenty before and done well.
Perisic switched wings quite a bit during the WC. No reason he and Sanchez could not due the same.
This ship has sailed. Perisic has said that his focus will be on returning to Inter.
Wait, people are arguing about whether he's an efficient crosser?
Perisic is a good crosser, with both feet. From what i've seen in three seasons at inter, he's considerably better on the left than the right and crosses better with his left foot
That's exactly the reason why I argue against the notion that his crossing is exactly what we need, as some have suggested quite often, since there are players out there, who are less inefficient than him.
That means literally nothing. Crossing efficiency depends on so many variables outside the cross itself. Perisic is very good at crossing, not because he puts in many good crosses, but because he's consistently able to get crosses into the box. Every single professional player can put in a good, dangerous cross if he's unmarked with a lot of time to get it off. Mata, Alexis and Pogba are all excellent crossers of the ball. The problem is they rarely manage to get into good situations for it. If you're looking for a winger who can consistently create enough separation on his defender and put the ball into the box, there's very few players out there better than Perisic
Cross completion stat is one of the most pointless stat there is.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but Jose was pretty open on TV about the fact that we missed out on him and we couldn't convince him to come. It hardly sounds like he's an option if Jose is that open about him?
Yeah that's what I gathered as well. Mourinho wouldn't have mentioned it if we were still interested imo.
"However, asked about his future after Croatia’s defeat to France, Perisic responded: ‘So far I have thought of Croatia. Now I will rest, I will return to focus on Inter".
https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/croatian-man-utd-target-opens-up-about-future-90559
... so?
https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/croatian-man-utd-target-opens-up-about-future-90559
... so?
Sorry but martial has been poor for some time now. His crossing last season was awful and he made a habit of holding on to the ball too long and running directly into trouble
He didn't want to force a move. Perisic said he was happy at Inter but if the clubs could agree a fee he would happily leave also.
Obviously we didn't agree a deal.
ok, but the crux of my point was the detail Jose talked about him. When he has target's it's always cloak and daggers / politician speak. He was extremely clear on the Perisic comments at the World Cup. That makes me think he's likely not a target again in this window.
I know its MEN, but if the story yesterday that Ed rejected signing Perisic last summer because he felt he had insufficient "brand value" is true then that's absolutely infuriating.
He is an ugly brute to be fair.
Is it? I thought it too for a few years (that Perez is an idiot), and then they won 4 in 5.
Ed seems very much to try to do what Perez did for Madrid. Not the worst thing ever if it works.
Perez won because of CR7 not because he was only signing brand players.
This argument (by MEN) does not explain why we signed players such as Blind, Darmian and Rojo. In more recent times, Dalot, Lindelof and Bailly. I think the reason we did not sign Perisic is because the board did not value him as highly as Inter did, and could therefore not negotiate a fee which could be agreed by all parties.
Well...I was pretty taken aback seeing that Ronaldo won more league titles with us than he did with Madrid. CL is the opposite of course.
So it had worked in a way, but then you're back to priorities and how long it actually took for the decima to happen.
Would take 4 UCL in the next 5 years even if it means that we won't win the league for the next 20.
2002 to 2014 is not that bad, to be fair. It is 12 years, we already have 10 years without winning it and don't look near doing so.
I think it's a fair argument if you're being asked to stump up 50m on someone, who's relatively unproven at the top level.
Both, I guess. That summer of 2009 (re)made Madrid officially the place to be. And soon, success happened.
Anyway, I doubt that Ed vetoed that signing cause of his limited potential value. But at the same time, it is foolish to think that commercial value doesn't play a (large) role in big signings. Essentially, it is okay to spend small money on players without commercial value, but when you spend 60-70m+, then the player should also be marketable (in addition to being good...and young).
If this is true, then this club is going nowhere fast.
Not sure I agree with this. If Mourinho wants a player who he thinks is essential to resolve our issues in the final third then its Ed's job to get it done. Otherwise don't blame the manager if we fall short of our season targets.
True, but i'm not sure a lot of people on here at the time would have said - yeah let's just spend 50m on him. I think he's been proved wrong since, but I do get at the time Ed probably needed a bit more to be comfortable in signing that check.
Of course the flip side to Ed saying no on Perisic is that he then can't blame Mourinho for our results, which in a way may prolong Mourinho staying at the club when he would've otherwise moved on. The overarching point being - that we shouldn't hire a manager unless we are prepared to fully support his project.
Totally disagree with the mentality 'manager asks, CEO fulfills his wishes'. Maybe after the manager proves himself, but not by default.
A lot of people seem to think that Mourinho is Ed's boss, when in truth it is the other way around. Mourinho has to justify his decisions to Ed, not Ed to Mourinho. Same as in any other type of work. As much as I would like to, I cannot order my boss to buy a DGX and then if he doesn't do it, to say that it is his fault for the project failing.
Yeah, I think that's fair. It's a tough one though as this is when prices were starting to spiral out of control and was hard to tell if you could actually get any value, I understand the reservations on this particular transfer. That being said, Ed will just have to accept now if the profile is right, we have to back him.
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