Ivan Perisic

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Vito Corleone said:
That's not what I meant. I am saying Jose probably doesn't care about the price and just wants Perisic regardless. I can see us overpaying because of that. It's not as if we've not overpaid for players before.

For what it's worth I think this will go through, and it will be a good signing. Mourinho is probably one of the best in the world when it comes to buying players.
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This might also be where the rather public Jose-list works against us. If Ed was coming to your club for a player, and you knew he was a top Jose target, you'd push it as far as you could. You might assume Ed would pay anything so as not to have to return to an increasingly upset Jose.
I wonder if they agree the highest they'll go before-hand and who has the final say on that.
 
Moonred said:
You can be class without being overly flashy. Perisic during the euros was class when he tore Spain apart. Or let's say different type of flashy. I am also under the impression that you haven't actually seen him play much. He isn't exactly a work horse only type. He is at least to me quite exciting to watch.

The very recent past have also suggested that both Martial and Mkhitaryan have struggled although they seemingly have enormous ability.

In the end you need both and I am not saying Perisic is someone to swoon over neither is he a kind of player that one should be disgusted by(not you but many are). I value the apprehensions from the likes of you as I myself am not convinced we need to spend so much for a 28 yr old. But at the same time I have no problems seeing why our manager might go for a player of his kind.
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I didn't say you couldn't. You said he'd be class if only he was consistent which implies that he has neither aspect right now.

I've seen nothing much of the player that I can remember. I'm merely analysing your and other people's take on the player combined with them profile of the player. I can't really properly judge him until I've seen him.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
Have you been to sleep mate?
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Yes.

SirMattBugsby said:
If you actually watch his matches and not go by comments of others, you'd know better.
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I have watched his matches and seen the comments, even those that like him admit he's frustratingly inconsistent, and his mental attitude is that of a guy discarded by Dortmund after unoprofessional attitude saw Klopp bin him, and this season he downed tools at Inter because he wasn't happy with the manager.
 
Why are we signing such a mediocre player? Ffs for the price we are paying for him, we are better off just saving it to get someone like Griezmann/Bale/Sanchez.
 
Has it been confirmed or is simply a link? Could we get some threadmarks in please?
 
antohan said:
This could/should work in terms of turning the draws into wins. Underwhelming to face any top side though, very lightweight. Could get shot of Martial for Griezmann and play a three man midfield with Pogba having less key defensive duties.

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Darmian would suddenly be very handy to rotate Rojo/Bailly. Young can be backup for Perisic/Valencia.

A few things stick out like sore thumbs:

1) We would have way too many AM types
2) We really lack firepower (the upside is in this setup you don't necessarily need this elusive complete all-rounder upfront)
3) I'm happy with Valencia's output starting from fullback and overlapping, but can't see him bossing the flank all by himself.
4) New Guy is crucial and I'm buggered if I know a good realistic candidate for it.
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I was wondering if we might play 4-4-2 diamond again. It wouldn't be so different, in effect. If New Guy is Dier then he'd just pop back and forward as required.
 
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AXVnee7 said:
Has it been confirmed or is simply a link? Could we get some threadmarks in please?
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Yes. It has been confirmed. Several reputable journalists in Italy have reported it, including Di Marzio.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
This might also be where the rather public Jose-list works against us. If Ed was coming to your club for a player, and you knew he was a top Jose target, you'd push it as far as you could. You might assume Ed would pay anything so as not to have to return to an increasingly upset Jose.
I wonder if they agree the highest they'll go before-hand and who has the final say on that.
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They agreed on the targets but ffs they will talk everything through before the transfer is concluded including the price.

Transfer budget is most certainly already set up and the fact that Mourinho is on holiday doesn't mean he will not be involved. That would be crazy at this level of business. No matter what he said in the public.
 
Jim Beam said:
They agreed on the targets but ffs they will talk everything through before the transfer is concluded including the price.

Transfer budget is most certainly already set up and the fact that Mourinho is on holiday doesn't mean he will not be involved. That would be crazy at this level of business. No matter what he said in the public.
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There must be some fluidity to it, though. We're not necessarily going to know in advance what the selling club will ask for. And which individual decides how high we go? If Jose wants him enough will he not tell Ed to make it happen and then the hard-dealing begins.
If things start to get out of hand who has the say on where our cut-off is. Are either of them even going to pull the plug if it's £10-£15m more than we'd ideally like to pay?
Even if we don't end up paying too much it might make negotiations much tougher.
 
If he's cheap-ish then it's fine I guess.He's probably more akin to a prime Valencia with speed, directness and hard work. He's a good outlet for the long ball game too.
 
I wondering if he is another Treble-winning-Diego-Milito signed by Mourinho when everyone questioned
 
We need actual wingers and he look like it. I'm done watching wanna be strikers playing wingers or #10 playing on the wings. One thing we lacked last term is the genuine width. I'm in if this guy could provide that, though i don't agree with the reported price.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
There must be some fluidity to it, though. We're not necessarily know what the selling club will ask for. And which individual decides how high we go? If Jose wants him enough will he not tell Ed to make it happen and then the hard-dealing begins.
If things start to get out of hand who has the say on where our cut-off is. Are either of them even going to pull the plug if it's £10-£15m more than we'd ideally like to pay?
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We set up transfer list long ago. You already now price for Griezmann if he is our main target so for the rest there is some fluidity as you say. But even then you probably know close figure about it as I'm sure we had some kind of contact for example with Inter (if rumor is true) before today.

As for the final say, they will be both involved and make the decision at the end. For example, Jose would also be involved in players wage as a manager because it is important in terms of the wage structure and you as manager must be involved in that. Will we overpay for a certain player? It will probably be the case of Jose pushing for such a player based on how much he wants him... Final decision about payment is on Woodward or the club itself. But that's the same in most other clubs.

All I'm saying is that the fact that the list is already made and Jose is on holiday doesn't change anything.
 
He is probably the caliber of Marcos Alonso, whom I'm sure many scoffed at upon his signing for Chelsea. Yet he was an integral part of their league campaign.

Fergie was sublime at picking these kind of vital cogs for a successful team. Jose has always been the same so I'm all for it.
 
Rossa said:
He was pragmatic when he needed to be, and he was always like that. But when we played cannon fodder, when rarely stopped at 1-0. Moyes wasn't pragmatic, too little in fact - but LVG and Mourinho haven't exactly been attack focused.
City where we won 3-2 at the Etihad? Not too bad, and I think most would be happy with that. 0-0 at home to Stoke is a little depressing however.
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I disagree. Perhaps i am the sort of fans who pŕefer to watch football games in totality. Ferguson's last few seasons, despite all the silverwares, were achieved by a rather disjointed team, ie overwhelmed teams with a strong attack while keeping it tight at the back. However, the build up was incredibly one dimension who involved chances mostly from width. That is why we got by with mediocre midfielders in a poor league devoid of much quality. That would show up during our struggles in the CL against quality teams, and i don't mean just the CL contenders. Mourinho's football may not be pleasing to most, but i for one enjoys watching his games cos it occasionally is a masterclass display of tactics and game preparations of the highest standards, one which i rarely witnessed in this decade. "German efficiency and Italian tactical nous" vs the "hustle & bustle, trading of punches" English football. That being said, the team has a long way to go but i am incredibly grateful to have JM in the helm.
 
Rossa said:
He was pragmatic when he needed to be, and he was always like that. But when we played cannon fodder, when rarely stopped at 1-0. Moyes wasn't pragmatic, too little in fact - but LVG and Mourinho haven't exactly been attack focused.

City where we won 3-2 at the Etihad? Not too bad, and I think most would be happy with that. 0-0 at home to Stoke is a little depressing however.
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No.

The one we lost 1-0 to lose the title.

The Stoke home was actually a game which disproves your point. We were anything but pragmatic in that game. Just couldn't score with over 20 attempts.
 
If we sign Perisic

If we sign Griezmann

If both are A-team, meaning two of Mkhi/Martial/Mata/Lingard would be dropped

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---------Zlatan/Rashford/New CF-----
Perisic--------Mkhi---------Griezmann

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---------Zlatan/Rashford/New CF-----
Perisic----------------------Griezmann

Well of coz its not that simple. There could be rotation or tactical change. Just the 1st thought anyway

Doesn't look too bad on paper

Well if Perisic is signed, there could be 2 scenarios

1. Mou sees "something" we don't see
2. Mou sees exactly what we see

In scenario 2, it seems like Mou is 100% commited to challenge for both EL and CL. It seems reasonable with the signing, I think its more of like "risk management". Perisic is "proven", hence his age. Given the inconsistency, but potential of Martial, Mkhi (not his best position) as LWF, Mou wouldn't want to risk it.

Conclusion, three of them is gonna compete for the LWF position @ 4-3-3 formation.

At the same time, this will "give time" for Martial to develop. If he is better than Perisic, he will play. Otherwise, Mou will play him @ FA/EFL, to develop him.

So the key here is risk management. He wouldn't put all money @ Martial/Mkhi, especially Martial, given his inconsistency. But also at the same time he sees potential in Martial. I think he wouldn't play Mkhi as LWF nxt season without injury crisis as that's not his best position.

Thoughts guy ?
 
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Fecking bitches some of you. Perisic is an excellent player.
 
Jim Beam said:
We set up transfer list long ago. You already now price for Griezmann if he is our main target so for the rest there is some fluidity as you say. But even then you probably know close figure about it as I'm sure we had some kind of contact for example with Inter (if rumor is true) before today.

As for the final say, they will be both involved and make the decision at the end. For example, Jose would also be involved in players wage as a manager because it is important in terms of the wage structure and you as manager must be involved in that. Will we overpay for a certain player? It will probably be the case of Jose pushing for such a player based on how much he wants him... Final decision about payment is on Woodward or the club itself. But that's the same in most other clubs.

All I'm saying is that the fact that the list is already made and Jose is on holiday doesn't change anything.
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No, I don't think the holiday thing makes any difference. I'm sure that's how Jose usually operates in the summer. I was just musing on 'the list'.
 
Wow, what an underwhelming transfer story. £36m for a 28 year old who isn't all that good. Hope the whole thing is a smoke screen for someone more exciting :p
 
broccoli said:
Fecking bitches some of you. Perisic is an excellent player.
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Posts like these are much worse than the supposed "meltdown" in this thread. It's a fecking forum and people are allowed to not rate Perisic, especially the ones that have seen him play enough times to form a conclusion.
 
Lawman said:
I disagree I think both Perisic and Griezmann would suit a 352. We wouldn't need Perisic to cover the full length of the field. Look how Jose has played Mykytarin and Lingard deep, Perisic would be much more suitable in this role and against weaker opposition he could easily play further forward.
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I think Mkhitaryan was not playing LB and MU was not playing 352 but 4231 or actually 4411 in some transitions, Mkhitaryan was playing with Darmian behind him and that is exactly the position in which Perisic would play proficiently. If they played 352 of course he would have to cover the whole length of the field since he would not have Darmian behind him and that would not suit a player like Perisic (or Mkhitaryan for what it counts).

In most games with strong teams Mou has adopted his revised catenaccio tactics with 9 men behind the ball and quick counters , which are his trademark. That is why MU struggled with weaker sides while having a field day with Ajax and their arrogant youngsters and useless tactics.
 
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Sterling Archer said:
He is probably the caliber of Marcos Alonso, whom I'm sure many scoffed at upon his signing for Chelsea. Yet he was an integral part of their league campaign.

Fergie was sublime at picking these kind of vital cogs for a successful team. Jose has always been the same so I'm all for it.
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1) Marcos Alonso cost 24 million and is 2 years younger
2) With every cog came mistakes such as Schurlle, Salah, Cuadrado, etc..
 
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