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I would take him any day ahead of Martial, Rashford or Lingard in that position. It's a little much to ask but I'd still rather we get an offensive LB to provide the crosses and buy a more technical/modern player on the left, who would play more inside than a traditional winger.

Realistically, I know there aren't many top players available for those positions. Just pointing out what I would find ideal.
 
Don't understand this obsession with crossing wingers...How many traditional wingers did Madrid play???
 
a signing like this could honestly be the difference between the top 2 and 5th/6th

we still look like we are going to struggle for goals and the quality of our crossing is dire at times
 
Hawks2008 said:
Don't understand this obsession with crossing wingers...How many traditional wingers did Madrid play???
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They have fullbacks that cross. What the point of having Lukaku when we dont have many players that can get a few crosses in
 
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Hawks2008 said:
Don't understand this obsession with crossing wingers...How many traditional wingers did Madrid play???
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who in our team is capable of delivering a good final ball - you obviously don't have to be a winger to be able to cross and Madrid have a wealth of technically brilliant players

Blind and funnily enough Borthwick-jackson who is off to Leeds on loan can whip a good cross in. On tour Pereira took a lot of our corners and far too many of our crosses hit the first man and leave us open to counter attack

it's an area of the team we need to improve on especially as we will inevitably revert to a more direct style
 
Cassidy said:
They have fullbacks that cross. What the point of having Lukaku when we dont have many players that can get a few crosses in
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Exactly, their fullbacks are the ones who cross the ball, they're the ones that provide the width like Valencia does for us. The reason why there aren't many alternatives to Perisic is because the modern full back has made traditional wingers like him redundant and less prevalent. We should've spent the window looking for a left back who can overlap and deliver the final ball rather than a workhorse winger who's peaked/peaking. They'd be able to have the same affect on our play as Perisic and would help Martial, Rashford or whoever else we play on the left immensely. As for Lukaku, he's not just some big lampost to swing in crosses towards and we should aspire to more than just playing hoofball to a big man.
 
Hawks2008 said:
Exactly, their fullbacks are the ones who cross the ball, they're the ones that provide the width like Valencia does for us. The reason why there aren't many alternatives to Perisic is because the modern full back has made traditional wingers like him redundant and less prevalent. We should've spent the window looking for a left back who can overlap and deliver the final ball rather than a workhorse winger who's peaked/peaking. They'd be able to have the same affect on our play as Perisic and would help Martial, Rashford or whoever else we play on the left immensely. As for Lukaku, he's not just some big lampost to swing in crosses towards and we should aspire to more than just playing hoofball to a big man.
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Preach
 
Perisic would be a excellent LWB and is a excellent winger. He would provide tactical flexibility. We could go from a wingbacks system to a wingers system without making any subs. A traditional fullback would be limited in comparison to Perisic in that regard.
 
We need someone like him who can pop in a cross for Lukaku. We don't have anyone that can do this at present and, although his crosses last season often didn't result in a goal, that's largely because there was nobody on the end of them like Lukaku, getting into the right area and going in for the ball aggressively.
 
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We need someone like him who can pop in a cross for Lukaku. We don't have anyone that can do this at present and, although his crosses last season often didn't result in a goal, that's largely because there was nobody on the end of them like Lukaku, getting into the right area and going in for the ball aggressively.
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It's not even just his crossing, he will go past players with the ball using his pace and can go either way which will be very troublesome for opposing players.
 
Aerially he's very good too and would provide an additional threat when attacking crosses from the opposite flank.
 
Is there some problem regarding the position our frontline players take inside the box? I mean, Valencia's crosses don't normally hit the first man, they mostly go abegging down the far post.
 
Cassidy said:
They have fullbacks that cross. What the point of having Lukaku when we dont have many players that can get a few crosses in
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First of all, Lukaku is not Andy Carroll and secondly there are other ways to get the ball to him than obsessing with crossing.

IIRC, despite having better crossers of the ball at Everton, majority of Lukaku's goals came from other varied options other than crosses.

Granted, our team is not blessed with great crossers, shouldn't we be working out how we play through the middle more, given that we have more players suited for that.

£50m for one decent crosser out of 27 players seems a bit all eggs in the basket
 
Adnan said:
Perisic would be a excellent LWB and is a excellent winger. He would provide tactical flexibility. We could go from a wingbacks system to a wingers system without making any subs. A traditional fullback would be limited in comparison to Perisic in that regard.
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Adnan said:
It's not even just his crossing, he will go past players with the ball using his pace and can go either way which will be very troublesome for opposing players.
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Adnan said:
Aerially he's very good too and would provide an additional threat when attacking crosses from the opposite flank.
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:lol:

When is he winning the Ballon D'or?
 
Hawks2008 said:
Exactly, their fullbacks are the ones who cross the ball, they're the ones that provide the width like Valencia does for us. The reason why there aren't many alternatives to Perisic is because the modern full back has made traditional wingers like him redundant and less prevalent. We should've spent the window looking for a left back who can overlap and deliver the final ball rather than a workhorse winger who's peaked/peaking. They'd be able to have the same affect on our play as Perisic and would help Martial, Rashford or whoever else we play on the left immensely. As for Lukaku, he's not just some big lampost to swing in crosses towards and we should aspire to more than just playing hoofball to a big man.
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Absolutely agree on this. Our left back is much more the problem than our left wing. We have a shitload of potential on left wing, but without any support from behind, we are just wasting their quality and potential. This won't be much different when we would sign Perisic.
 
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Ignorance overload on Perisic, not surprising considering what I saw written about Matic.
 
dichinero said:
First of all, Lukaku is not Andy Carroll and secondly there are other ways to get the ball to him than obsessing with crossing.

IIRC, despite having better crossers of the ball at Everton, majority of Lukaku's goals came from other varied options other than crosses.

Granted, our team is not blessed with great crossers, shouldn't we be working out how we play through the middle more, given that we have more players suited for that.

£50m for one decent crosser out of 27 players seems a bit all eggs in the basket
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I am not obsessing with crossing, we should have a diverse attack, we don't have many players who can cross, it make sense that we should add that to our armoury. Right now we are far too predictable IMO. I don't care about Peresic, tbh we need to get a good LB who can offer an attack threat and good delivery.
 
Cassidy said:
I am not obsessing with crossing, we should have a diverse attack, we don't have many players who can cross, it make sense that we should add that to our armoury. Right now we are far too predictable IMO. I don't care about Peresic, tbh we need to get a good LB who can offer an attack threat and good delivery.
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Let's even forget the diverse attack for a moment. We are not even getting the best out of the players we have available who are probably more suited for forward passes and pace to run behind most defensive lines. We are only predictable because of how the manager sets up the team and his tactics.
If someone said to me, Mata, Micky, Martial, Pogba, Rashford, Lukaku and Pereira, I'm thinking young, fast, vibrant, intricate forward passes, combination play etc. This is the bulk of our creative players and we look nothing like what I described.
Perisic would not be so bad if we set up to have runners flooding the box to augment what Lukaku offers. Playing a deep pragmatic approach is pointless with Perisic imo.
I agree with you that we are more suited to having our FBs getting forward and providing crosses from the wide areas but I doubt José will be that brave and adventurous.
 
Adnan said:
Perisic would be a excellent LWB and is a excellent winger. He would provide tactical flexibility. We could go from a wingbacks system to a wingers system without making any subs. A traditional fullback would be limited in comparison to Perisic in that regard.
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Adnan said:
Ignorance overload on Perisic, not surprising considering what I saw written about Matic.
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How often do you watch him?
 
3 options for LW

For those who think we shouldn't sign Perisic

1. Better option reckoned by some, but highly unlikely to sign: Dembele/Bale ?
2. No new signing: Bet on Martial/Rashford/Lingard
3. Best available option: Perisic (plus, there is a chance Jose would use him as LWB in a 3-5-2 system as he did with Lingard or like Eto as "defensive winger" @ Inter)

1st option is unrealistic. We should take it whenever it is available. But as of now, nothing. (Bale is gone, according to Jose yesterday)

2nd option is not too bad, but it has higher chance of us repeating last season's woeful attacking.

Well personally I am not a fans of Perisic, but I would take the 3rd option, in the context of

1. We need a winger badly, especially on the left with our underwhelming LB
2. Traditional winger give us another dimension/option to our attack when we have a lot of attackers who like to cut inside
3. He should be expected to hit the ground running like Matic, while giving time for our inconsistent Martial to develop, with the downside of reducing Martial's playing time
4. Inflated market
5. There is no guaranteed that Perisic would hit the ground running, but given our attack last season was so weak, it is prudent to reduce this risk by taking some risk to get someone, while still have the options (Martial/Rashford) of last season. If he fails, let's bet on Martial/Rashford again. I think it is a good bet, given the factors 1-4 mentioned above.

Thoughts ?
 
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Hawks2008 said:
Don't understand this obsession with crossing wingers...How many traditional wingers did Madrid play???
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It's not just about "crossing winger".

The big picture
1. Crossing winger
2. Stretch the defense, opening up space for others, etc......
3. With all of our attackers like to cut inside, it gives us optionality and more unpredictability
 
Hawks2008 said:
Don't understand this obsession with crossing wingers...How many traditional wingers did Madrid play???
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Madrid don't need "crossing wingers" (read width), because they have the best attacking fullbacks in the world. Their width comes from them. Good grief people, this isn't rocket science...
 
Adnan said:
Ignorance overload on Perisic, not surprising considering what I saw written about Matic.
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This. He'll be another good solid signing. We need good signings not flashy signings to get back to where we want to be. At least give the manager what he wants and let him work. Remember when LVG signed depay di Maria falcao Morgan and bastian? All fancy names the fans wanted who went on to do squat. Names don't matter if the manager can't use them correctly in his preferred system. Give Jose Perisic and let him go to work. it's the final position he wants filled. Joses been great in the market. Matic already makes the team look better and most fans didn't want him. Now we won't get totally ripped off when buying another player for that position and we can blood him in alongside a solid player who's going to give you 7 or 8/10 every match he plays.
 
ManuMou said:
It's not just about "crossing winger".

The big picture
1. Crossing winger
2. Stretch the defense, opening up space for others, etc......
3. With all of our attackers like to cut inside, it gives us optionality and more unpredictability
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And as I stated above, any good LB can provide the width and crossing in the same manner as Tony V does on the right. The modern full back makes theout-and-out winger redundant and we're seeing more and more teams employing wide forwards with full backs stretching defences and creating space for their team. Left back is our weakest position on the pitch IMO and if we had a LB version of Valencia then the likes of Martial, Rashford and the others would benefit . In the supercup Madrid played with a 4-4-2 diamond with full backs providing width, Chelsea won the league with Alonso and Moses providing width. We don't need to spend 50m on a peaking/peaked Perisic when an attacking LB would have the same impact on our play.
 
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Mr Smith said:
Madrid don't need "crossing wingers" (read width), because they have the best attacking fullbacks in the world. Their width comes from them. Good grief people, this isn't rocket science...
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Yep. If we had a prime Evra or Marcelo instead of Darmian then we could happily play our wide men a bit more narrow, but we don't.

Valencia does his best but his end product isn't good enough, our forwards movement is also not very good, they never offer to play 1-2's or take the fullback away. It's always just run into the box and wait for the ball.
 
Jose usually wins the title in his 2nd season and if he requires Perisic then just get him Perisic, we have no other winger that can consistently cross the ball at the moment
 
Peresic would be a good signing imo,i think his game translates well to the premier league,he's a terrific athlete with good technique,as 2 footed as your goin to see and the squad dosnt have anybody like him. If we were to sign him i think the squad would be looking really solid,powerful and well balanced,we would be missing that bit of magic but it would enable us nxt summer to focus on finding that one star attacker to add to an already strong set of attacking options. 50 million is looking standard for anyone remotely good at the minute also
 
Hawks2008 said:
And as I stated above, any good LB can provide the width and crossing in the same manner as Tony V does on the right. The modern full back makes theout-and-out winger redundant and we're seeing more and more teams employing wide forwards with full backs stretching defences and creating space for their team. Left back is our weakest position on the pitch IMO and if we had a LB version of Valencia then the likes of Martial, Rashford and the others would benefit . In the supercup Madrid played with a 4-4-2 diamond with full backs providing width, Chelsea won the league with Alonso and Moses providing width. We don't need to spend 50m on a peaking/peaked Perisic when an attacking LB would have the same impact on our play.
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Agree with your post (this post).

My comment was purely based on your post of "Don't understand this obsession with crossing wingers...How many traditional wingers did Madrid play???" where there was no mention of LB

Well of course there are a long list of things to debate, among those, while I agree that we need definitely need a LB, I would add that

1. I think Jose is "betting" on Shaw, with backup options of Blind/Darmian
2. As of now, Jose obviously prefer Perisic -> Martial/Rashford
3. Our left flank is non-existent. On the right, at least we hav Valencia to survive with, and Mkhi/Mata/Rashford on the right is "better" than our LW. Ideally he would want to boost all three positions of RW, LW and LB. If he were to choose one, Jose thinks buying a LW the priority, more important than RW/LB, given we already spend 150M ++
(with regards to RW, personally I think Jose wants to get Griezmann either in Jan/summer for 100M and play him as RW occasionally altho that's not his best position, given that it's a little bit fishy Griez's buyout clause automatically reduced to 100M from 200M @ Jan. Plus, Jose's comment on Bale that he "would get him if Bale is available" gave the hint that we are still financially capable of spending another 100M++ (roughly about Bale's valuation)

That said, if we fail to sign Perisic, with the signing of Lukaku and Matic, which would open up space for our attack and added stability for our defense, I hope everyone especially our CM and wingers would regain their form especially in attack. That's not impossible. Who knows if this season could be like 06/07 dejavu of Rooney/Ronaldo !!
 
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Adnan said:
Since we were linked I've watched re-runs of about 25 games so far in his time at Inter.
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Ah, fair enough.
Mr Smith said:
Madrid don't need "crossing wingers" (read width), because they have the best attacking fullbacks in the world. Their width comes from them. Good grief people, this isn't rocket science...
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I think the point people are making sure that we should be looking to do the same (make use of attacking fullbacks) if a winger is so hard to come by.
 
I just don't understand why Inter Milan are playing hard ball with Perisic. As far as I know, he has not been linked with any other team other than United. Nobody else in the world is chasing him, and the player wants to leave. It's very strange to me how Inter do not want to sell under these circumstances.
 
The issue with argument that the LB provides the crossing is that Mourinho won't attack with both fullbacks. As far as I know, he's never done it.

So if our right winger is any of Mkhi/Mata/Lingard, it means that Valencia is marauding forward on the right to create width. That means, unless we are desperate to get a goal, our left back is sitting back. With our left winger being Martial/Rashford, the opposition's right fullback and even their right winger are able to defend narrow, crowding the box.

If Mourinho wasn't of the one-fullback-attacks-one-doesn't school, he wouldn't be happy with Darmian, Rojo, and Blind as our options there. It would also help explain why these guys are ahead of Shaw in the pecking order, even when fit. If attacking was a main requirement, they wouldn't be.
 
TheForgottenOne said:
Absolutely agree on this. Our left back is much more the problem than our left wing. We have a shitload of potential on left wing, but without any support from behind, we are just wasting their quality and potential. This won't be much different when we would sign Perisic.
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Yet Mourinho has not looked to either get more out of the likes of shaw, martial, hell no matter who we have he will want them doing more work defending than looking to hurt sides, which here lies our problem, clean sheets seem more important than goals scored for Mourinho. If we don't see any improvement this season, I'm afraid this will be the pattern forever under Mourinho. When he does not want fullbacks crossing the halfway line, then its more tactical blunders. Didn't last season he learn any lessons for Mourinho, that this 1-0 garbage which ended up with us getting has many 1-1 draws has the 1-0 wins he had at chelsea in the 2004/05 season. If we still see the same kind of football, don't think potential means anything if this is how he wants united playing.

AlecHDR said:
The issue with argument that the LB provides the crossing is that Mourinho won't attack with both fullbacks. As far as I know, he's never done it.

So if our right winger is any of Mkhi/Mata/Lingard, it means that Valencia is marauding forward on the right to create width. That means, unless we are desperate to get a goal, our left back is sitting back. With our left winger being Martial/Rashford, the opposition's right fullback and even their right winger are able to defend narrow, crowding the box.

If Mourinho wasn't of the one-fullback-attacks-one-doesn't school, he wouldn't be happy with Darmian, Rojo, and Blind as our options there. It would also help explain why these guys are ahead of Shaw in the pecking order, even when fit. If attacking was a main requirement, they wouldn't be.
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This is the problem, he seems more focused how many clean sheets we can have than scoring allot of goals, its why we got allot of 1-1 draws. If we see the kind of football we saw last season, then I am afraid he can dream of PL titles, than winning them
 
Hawks2008 said:
Don't understand this obsession with crossing wingers...How many traditional wingers did Madrid play???
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They also don't have a team full of 6ft+ monsters. What's the point of signings players like Lukaku if you can't cross the ball? All our best chances came from the wing + crosses. Our aerial threat is one of our biggest weapons but is completely redundant if we can't even put in a half decent ball
 
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