He mostly played out wide for Valencia and Chelsea as well.
Ivan Perisic
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He mostly played out wide for Valencia and Chelsea as well.
You do accept, though, that he isn't a winger?
Did he say that post the match or what ?
I have always said Perisic is a very good player and will significantly improve this United team. I am happy some people are beginning to see his true worth. There is a reason Jose Mourinho has been chasing the guy.
Not really. I have been arguing this for a while I do not think wingers have to provide width to really be wingers this era. It reminds me of the people who think guys like Dani Alves and Marcelo are not true Fullbacks because they are too good at attacking or something
Mata is not an orthodox winger. He is more of a 10, that likes to cut inside.
The Italians are hard bargainers and we should pay the little difference they want to sell him for before it's too late.
I think the definition of an orthodox winger has changed over time.
Koke is sometimes deployed outwide under Simeone, would you also say that he is a winger? I see what you are saying but I dont think Mata would be generally referred to as a winger, rather an attacking midfielder deployed in the wide areas.
Do you think he would assure a top four finish?
If he is a winger, he must be the slowest on the planet.
Which is what Jose doesn't want. When everyone is cutting inside it gets crowded. He want someone to drag defenders wide and has a physicality with them as well.
Would happily pay it. He's worth much more than Lukaku who we spent 75 on.
Martial in 2016 played in a system that tailored to his style which we can't go back as it take it toll on more players & worsen the worth of sum of the parts. And no, he doesn't look much like young Henry. That's too stereotypical comparison. Young Henry always loves to murder the space whenever he found it. Martial as I keep repeat prefer only to switch on in certain area of the pitch. Martial has better X factor per say Perisic, but his overall game has yet to reach Perisic in last few years with the latter seems to finally realized his best role. YouTube video couldn't show how a player overall play without the ball, which in this regard Lingard even trumped Martial for last season despite Lingard is pretty meh on ball more often than not. Martial as I keep stated is meant to give that end product while Perisic is supposed to help improve our overall game with main goal is to supply our forward which in my older post in this same thread, I said would leave game time for Martial as forward while someone like Alexis Sanchez would kill off Martial game time.
Micki yet to fully adapt to the our system. His problem is he is too accustomed to Dortmund system where it meant to win the ball further up the pitch but is not that good when being required to work from deep. Here we're talking about the our system now that have a position that should be tailored exactly fit for the current Perisic. Perisic has first changed his game & then stepped up to different level since those Bundesliga seasons. It's clear watching him play in whole game. While Micki & Dortmund style is meant to rely on constant movement of many players to create space to try to bypass the physical contact. Perisic style & what Mourinho want his winger first to do is to brute force, take on his marker to create that opening & drive forward from the wing to pull some opposition out & left more opening inside.
Yep, said the same thing myself a week ago. He's good, not world class, but good and the team would definitely benefit from his arrival.
You'll happily pay it but Ed won't.
simple solution to all this is to simply bring Scholes and Giggs back out of retirement...don't know why my emails to HQ are going unanswered
I agree.
Have to say he looked good today.
I'd think he could fit in, sign him up!
I'd think he could fit in, sign him up!
Yes.
I said it before, if he comes to United, he will very quickly become fan favorite, including here on caf. Happy he is not a "turd" any more. And, btw, he scored quite of goals with his "weaker" foot like that one, agains DDG last summer one comes to mind.
How was Van Gaal's slow, cautious, possession Football tailor made for Martial?
Do not understand where this "weak foot" stuff is coming from, admittedly I haven't seen much of him outside of NT football, but you only need to watch one match to realise how ambidextrous he is.
I honestly couldn't tell which foot was his main one when watching him.
YouTube clips are bad for judging a player, but you can def. see it even there.
It let him have the ball in the area when prefer and at his feet, to one vs one against fullback...
Do you even watch football? I meant look at your post now saying Mata & Micky is a better winger. Position one self in a area on the pitch is not what describe their role & duty. By your account, Henry even in his Arsenal day is still a lot of winger, yet I saw no one call him winger & compared him to those. Was Zidane a winger for Real Madrid too?
Football fans are so fickle 
Mata and Mkhi both have had better season's on the wing than Perisic's best season.
Perisic would easily be the best winger at our club if he joined, no question.
Doing different thing in system that let do it. So in a system where they compete directly against each other's for that influence, another profile of wide player is to balance & let them be themselves to fullest.
If that's your argument without attempt to see how tactic work, then no point for further discussion. I already see your point which I already explained how I agree to disagree
Someone said or wrote it, people picked it up, and continued saying or writing it. It is like I keep saying that I'm good looking for some time, and people pick it up and continue saying it. Hmmm..maybe I should start..
He'd need to be a lot better than Valencia IMO. Toni V amassed a staggering 13 EPL goals in 5 seasons at United. I feel the over reliance on Rooney and downgrading to players like Tony V, led to our decline under SAF. We managed to salvage a CL final (got destroyed) but were generally no longer a major force in the years since Ronaldo and Tevez left. Also, note that once Rooney got injured, our CL 2010 campaign died. We need more consistent goal-scoring players in this team as we did back then, when we signed RVP.
I'm afraid that after his showing today the price will now go up!
The idea is a on form winger in Valencia mold would offer the balance that would benefit other attacker which we have Martial, Miki, Mata who are all pretty much productive with a good platform. The expectation would not be Valencia type to score more goal, but the sum of other part would amount to more.
The Valencia as Ronaldo direct replacement was discussed to dead. It's clear we used different approach since Ronaldo departure. Even Real Madrid would have to make plenty of change when Ronaldo not being their main man anymore. That they need to change plenty in their approach, & players in other positions. The problem after Ronaldo is that while SAF maintain a competitive that went on to challenge & win thing, we failed to reinforce that X factor. Here we're in opposite position where we have some X factor in hand but failed as a team to provide the platform.
With Perisic on the team when would Martial play? Yes, Manchester needs more scoring... but is that going to come from Martial on the left?
you know this because...what? Because the 3 you mentioned helped us convert all those missed chances last year, or because they kept us out of 6th spot in the EPL?
Man...I like all three players...but come on now.
There will still be those that don't see the point in bringing in a winger that crosses, plays the ball in the air and defends better than Martial and Micky. Even if it cost 60 million.
Madness.
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Not single handedly but as an integral part of the kind of squad Jose is trying to build.
Yes, he will certainly improve the team.
Because he usually knows what he is doing?
Im pretty sure he has 2 legs not 22
Mkhi and Martial had disappointing seasons but, not unreasonable to expect them to improve. It was Mkhi's first season at the club and Martial is still a young player. I would rather bet on them then Perisic.
And when Micky and Mata miss time due to injuries (which you know their frail frames will have) it's going to be the Anthony Martial show on the wing 100% and the Jesse Lingard show on the other wing because the team doesn't have enough depth.
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