Ivan Perisic

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From what I understood, the main issue was the price with the two clubs about £5-10m apart in their valuations of Perisic. From what I hear Perisic was up for the move. If United really wanted the deal done, they would have just sucked it up and coughed up. I could be wrong though.

Not that I'm complaining mind. I'm glad that we're not being taken for mugs anymore.
Isnt that really the point, undermining the logic of what you said in the first para? If you are glad we're not being being taken for mugs, I imagine Woodward, who is actually in charge of the money, is even more so.

The way I see this - and like you said, I could be completely wrong as well, its just my interpretation - is that Woodward knows clubs put the price up for players considerably when dealing with us. For a few years we were in a tricky situation in that we were desperate and everyone knew it and it meant we had to overpay even more than before. Its all well and good being rich but if you have to pay 20% more for everything you buy than other clubs, that erodes your financial advantage considerably. So I think this window has been as much about establishing a precedent where we will no longer overpay, or not overpay as blatantly as we have in the past, as it has been about getting the right players in. The task is complicated by the fact that prices are going through the roof anyway, which makes price discovery difficult, but with this one I believe Woodward set a price that he wouldnt go over and he stuck to it. I personally respect that and more than that, I think it will do us good in the long run. It may not happen straight away but over time if other clubs no longer assume we will pay whatever they ask, we may get to a point where we no longer get mugged every time we buy someone.
 
Perisic is two footed, run of the mill payers aren't two footed. You talk a lot of rubbish.
Mahrez in 2016 had a better season than Perisic has ever done, and did it with skill, guile, craft, in a tougher league. The levels of goals and skills Mahrez produced was far higher. I still would not want Mahrez. Thus Perisic is pretty run of the mill.
 
Mahrez in 2016 had a better season than Perisic has ever done, and did it with skill, guile, craft, in a tougher league. The levels of goals and skills Mahrez produced was far higher. I still would not want Mahrez. Thus Perisic is pretty run of the mill.
Mahrez is a top 4 player who would easily provide a top 4 team with 15-20 goals + assists a season.
 
Mahrez in 2016 had a better season than Perisic has ever done, and did it with skill, guile, craft, in a tougher league. The levels of goals and skills Mahrez produced was far higher. I still would not want Mahrez. Thus Perisic is pretty run of the mill.

Mahrez is a quality player but he does not suit a Mourinho team. Perisic is also a quality player but is a better fit, that's why Jose wants him. Perisic offers things Jose likes and feels will compliment the players we already have. Stating that Mahrez is more skilful doesn't make Perisic run of the mill, or ordinary as I prefer to say.
 
Looks like Perisic is very important signing for Jose. In the recent interview he said he isn't happy with transfers but he can understand as the market is tough, also that he will be happy with 3 players now. In the last few days there isn't a single news on any DMs and only on Perisic, so looks like Jose wants 3rd signing to be a winger than DM.
 
Mahrez is a top 4 player who would easily provide a top 4 team with 15-20 goals + assists a season.

Mahrez is a quality player but he does not suit a Mourinho team. Perisic is also a quality player but is a better fit, that's why Jose wants him. Perisic offers things Jose likes and feels will compliment the players we already have. Stating that Mahrez is more skilful doesn't make Perisic run of the mill, or ordinary as I prefer to say.
You guys may think I am crazy, but I don't even rate Mahrez highly. Like Vardy I feel he had one stand out season so should not be thought off too highly when other attackers deliver year after year. He was pretty good in last seasons champions league so I'll give him another look next season.
 
Mahrez is a top 4 player who would easily provide a top 4 team with 15-20 goals + assists a season.

One good season, does not a good player make.

Top 4 last year was Chels, Spurs, City, LPool - I don't think he's got the work rate or consistency to get into any of those teams. On his day he's class but given the lack of effort in top clubs trying to get him I think he's seen as a bit of a risk.
 
I still wonder about those two supposed lists reported a few weeks back. If Perisic was originally on the second list but then moved to the first then who was ahead of him in the first instance?

No way there were two lists. It doesn't actually make any sense whatsoever.

In any event Jose has repeatedly stated he gave Ed his list (singular) in March.
 
Mahrez is a quality player but he does not suit a Mourinho team. Perisic is also a quality player but is a better fit, that's why Jose wants him. Perisic offers things Jose likes and feels will compliment the players we already have. Stating that Mahrez is more skilful doesn't make Perisic run of the mill, or ordinary as I prefer to say.

By the way we'd need both
 
I'm pretty inclined to think this is the one he doesn't want to miss, though.
Agreed. I think he'd rather make due with our midfield options than not bring in Peresic. He knows it will cost more to get him than the club had hoped. I believe he wants the club to pay what it takes to get Peresic (not involving Martial), and forego Matic (or whoeever the midfield target is).
 
This guy is worth 40m at best....if Inter don't want to accept then feck em....we should publicly move on...besides there's gotta be another better winger out there.
 
This whole Perisic thing is just a put off now. Inter playing hard ball so lets move on.

I can see some benefit in signing Perisic, especially for a reasonable fee, but he's not going to win us the league.

Go big or go home. Get us a marquee signing Woody!
 
This has to be one of the worst transfer sagas ever, relative to the quality of the player at hand.
 
It looks like Jose wants a very specific type of winger and there are no other real alternatives around
 
Isnt that really the point, undermining the logic of what you said in the first para? If you are glad we're not being being taken for mugs, I imagine Woodward, who is actually in charge of the money, is even more so.

The way I see this - and like you said, I could be completely wrong as well, its just my interpretation - is that Woodward knows clubs put the price up for players considerably when dealing with us. For a few years we were in a tricky situation in that we were desperate and everyone knew it and it meant we had to overpay even more than before. Its all well and good being rich but if you have to pay 20% more for everything you buy than other clubs, that erodes your financial advantage considerably. So I think this window has been as much about establishing a precedent where we will no longer overpay, or not overpay as blatantly as we have in the past, as it has been about getting the right players in. The task is complicated by the fact that prices are going through the roof anyway, which makes price discovery difficult, but with this one I believe Woodward set a price that he wouldnt go over and he stuck to it. I personally respect that and more than that, I think it will do us good in the long run. It may not happen straight away but over time if other clubs no longer assume we will pay whatever they ask, we may get to a point where we no longer get mugged every time we buy someone.
We paid £90m for Lukaku...
 
We paid £90m for Lukaku...
Yeah, I did qualify my remark with "not as blatantly as we did in the past." Its obviously a balancing act between not getting ripped off and actually managing to get some business done, and at times it is impossible to do both at the same time. But still, the narrative was set as: Madrid tried to dick us around on the price so we went and shopped elsewhere. The fact we got (arguably) ripped off by Everton instead of Madrid has been somewhat buried. IMO.
 
This has to be one of the worst transfer sagas ever, relative to the quality of the player at hand.

Also I feel Inter might have messed it up by playing too hard ball. I think they wanted to sell (especially as they named a price) and just assumed we would pay up. At the end of the day it's bad for them, he must be pretty unsettled and I'm sure the high fee we offered could be well invested by Inter on younger players or a direct replacement who wants to be there.

We just move on and hopefully look at other targets - hopefully Sanchez :)
 
Isnt that really the point, undermining the logic of what you said in the first para? If you are glad we're not being being taken for mugs, I imagine Woodward, who is actually in charge of the money, is even more so.

The way I see this - and like you said, I could be completely wrong as well, its just my interpretation - is that Woodward knows clubs put the price up for players considerably when dealing with us. For a few years we were in a tricky situation in that we were desperate and everyone knew it and it meant we had to overpay even more than before. Its all well and good being rich but if you have to pay 20% more for everything you buy than other clubs, that erodes your financial advantage considerably. So I think this window has been as much about establishing a precedent where we will no longer overpay, or not overpay as blatantly as we have in the past, as it has been about getting the right players in. The task is complicated by the fact that prices are going through the roof anyway, which makes price discovery difficult, but with this one I believe Woodward set a price that he wouldnt go over and he stuck to it. I personally respect that and more than that, I think it will do us good in the long run. It may not happen straight away but over time if other clubs no longer assume we will pay whatever they ask, we may get to a point where we no longer get mugged every time we buy someone.
Yes, agreed. Though I believe even the media are partly to blame for this. For some reason, they always include all add ons on top of the transfer fee and report it, giving an idea that we overpaid. But I think last season was the best way to spend money. Baily and Mikhi were very good deals. We should only pay big record fees for players like Pogba, so are already world class or who'll almost certainly be that in a couple of years. We should not give into Inter's crazy demands, that would set a bad precedent. But again, I say this because I think Jose is a pretty flexible manager. But apart from this, we should start scouting more players and grab them before they move to a big club. The addition of the Juventus scouting director (I think?) was a very good decision. Complement that with world class players and we should have a very good team.
 
Walter Sabatini, Inter director: “Ma cos'è, una cospirazione? Sapete tutti quello che vogliamo. L'offerta giusta non è ancora arrivata” / This is not a conspiracy, you all know what we want. The right offer hasn't arrived yet.

Spalletti, Inter manager: “Gioca, e non avendo giocato le amichevoli a Brunico giocherà anche più degli altri.” / He will play [the next China friendlies], and since he hasn't played the ones before, he will play even more.
 
Inter have gone full retarded, no way is he a penny worth more then £40 million

I say the club save the money for a marquee winger signing next summer. Also why the hell arent we offering 60/70 million to Arsenal for Sanchez rather then wasting £50 million on Perisic
 
If i remember correctly Inter did the exact same thing in the Wesley Sneijder summer where they just didn't accept the price Sneijder was worth asking for a ridiculous fee. Fergie told them to get lost, i think Woodward should do the same thing.
 
If i remember correctly Inter did the exact same thing in the Wesley Sneijder summer where they just didn't accept the price Sneijder was worth asking for a ridiculous fee. Fergie told them to get lost, i think Woodward should do the same thing.

If Moratti was still in charge, Jose might have been able to get a good deal out of them. Now with new ownership you never know what to expect.
 
I don't really mind Inter asking for a high price. They clearly only want to sell the player for an offer they can't refuse, or else they really seem content to keep him. Nothing wrong with that imo, whether people think it's an unreasonable valuation or not, they don't want to sell him, and he was their most productive player last season, or one of at least.

I recently criticized Perez for taking a seemingly similar stance, but i see Inter's as slightly different than the Morata scenario, in the sense that Morata has not ever been and is still not considered first choice at RM. He may still have been wanted and rated at RM, but tellingly never rated highly enough to be a starter. That makes Madrid's unreasonable stance -regarding our involvement- far less justifiable in my view than Inter's.

Inter are simply testing how desperately we want him, and they win either way tbh. If they sell him, we will have paid way, way over the odds for him. If they don't, then they get to keep a player who they would prefer not to sell in the first place.

Whereas Real have been -and still are- actively looking to sell a discontented back up player who wants either to be first choice, or a move. Looking like Perez is suddenly willing to now accept less for Morata from Chlelsea, than he reportedly wanted from us. Probably pissed off with us over not getting his own way with DDG, and then petulantly tried to stiff us for Morata in return.

Anyway, we should just move on from Perisic now tbh, as we did with Morata. It's all you can really do when you are clearly so unhappy with the amount being asked. So either pay what Inter are asking, or simply move on to other targets. Been little or no movement on this for weeks now, just wasting time and effort that we could be spending more productively elsewhere.
 
Hope we give him a pass now and save the money to spend on griezmann next summer.
 
Forget him Woody, just go hijack Juventus' deal for Bernardeschi for half the price :drool::drool:
 
As if Martial would willingly go to a mid table Serie A club anyway.
 
Jose's comments made it clear we're unwilling to pay what they want, which is the best thing to do. The clubs need to know we're not throwing money everywhere just for fun.
 
Jose's comments made it clear we're unwilling to pay what they want, which is the best thing to do. The clubs need to know we're not throwing money everywhere just for fun.
Looking forward for the money we're going to trow out for Matić.
 
He is the one we will miss. Theres no way we will start our campsign with a former player as our only dm
 
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