Ivan Perisic

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Sunny Jim said:
Point is- I'm absolutely sure that Marital's first season is a better indicator of his quality, talent and potential than last season. Two- even poor Martial looks a better player than Persicic. Three - I'm hoping that even if we get Persici he will be used in a similar manner as Fellaini, meaning last resort.

and one thing..i dont get offended that easily mate ;)
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Then dont ask if I am a city fan you bell.

Anyway lets see. I admit I dont know much about Perisic, but last season we had two kid strikers playing on the wing and it showed, and when given the opportunity they struggled to lead the line, hence Rom. Almost everybody came away from last season recognizing we needed specialist talent out wide..... now maybe it is not Perisic but that requirement has not changed IMO.
 
El-Manos said:
You do realise that one of Manchester United's main traditions consists of developing young talented players such as Martial? Not swap them for less talented 28 year old wingers, that in fact would be the complete opposite of this club's amitions. You don't have to be a 'Martial fan' to realise this deal is ridiculous.
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I am fully aware of United's traditions with youth and the United Way which I firmly support. And I also strongly supported the idea of selling Depay, Wilson and Adnan. But am very excited to keep Rashford, Gomez, Tuanzabe and others and hope Martial (not a youth product) works out for us. Big season for the lad to show us that he has developed and got his attitude right again.
 
They also did a similar thing when we wanted sniejder. Then sold him for peanuts next year. I think We should turn our attention to someone else.
 
Icemav said:
Not sure why people are getting their knickers in a twist over this. The guy is 21 and needs to develop. The scenario I proposed means we dont lose him. Of course I want him to have a banging season but only the coaches are best able to judge and try to predict that. However if he performs similarly to last year then it will cause problems for the team and they will probably have to bring in more talent to bolster results..... and I think I will leave it there as I dont want to offend more Martial fans.
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I think for continuity it's better to give him another season building with the club. Second season syndrome is a regular occurrence for whatever reason. Taking him out of the team could be disruptive to his development and like many loans there is no guarantees of sufficient game time.

I don't think it would be right to loan a player of his stature in terms of investment.
 
Perisic needs to publicly submit a transfer request and say he hates Inter Milan and thinks their blue and black shirts are stupid

Otherwise Inter will keep asking for Martial and I'd rather kill a puppy than see the ice cold Liverpool slayer in their stupid shirt
 
Perisic appears to be a good fit, but he simply isn't worth Martial. Martial's potential is way higher than what Perisic currently is. The rumors seem to be Inter wants Martial, but it doesn't appear we are close to giving in on that.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Perisic needs to publicly submit a transfer request and say he hates Inter Milan and thinks their blue and black shirts are stupid

Otherwise Inter will keep asking for Martial and I'd rather kill a puppy than see the ice cold Liverpool slayer in their stupid shirt
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I did think the same thing, but then how we handled the Morata deal kind of backed fired in a way. Why would a player do that knowing that Utd could be going for someone else and then leave you high and dry at the last minute.

Perisic doesn't seem to have clubs lining up to take him, so it would be a huge risk - those Italian fans can get quite tasty at the training ground...

Also, if we do indeed put Martial into this deal, then I give up.
 
Inter, even before they had money were notoriously difficult to negotiate with. We should move on.
I'm confident the club isn't considering sending Martial there. I'm also sure Inter know that.
They're simply trying to muddy the water...cnuts!
 
Adisa said:
Inter, even before they had money were notoriously difficult to negotiate with. We should move on.
I'm confident the club isn't considering sending Martial there. I'm also sure Inter know that.
They're simply trying to muddy the water...cnuts!
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Yeh. They should just give their player to us, once we asked.
 
Perisic is unhappy now. Angry on club. Now i would go with 30 mil offer. Either you sell him or keep unhappy player.
I will send my cv to ed. I think that he needs young( relatively) padawan for transfers. :D
 
If I was Perisic I would be angry, imagine your club holding you back like that despite being offered well over the sum of his worth.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
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:lol:

Fantastic!
 
Glideman said:
If I was Perisic I would be angry, imagine your club holding you back like that despite being offered well over the sum of his worth.
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He maybe angry, but Inter value him at X price as that's what he's worth to them. So we've only offered 'well over his worth' in our minds.
 
Last 30,40,50 years players prices and wages are subject of criticsm. 30 years ago it was "one million? Wtf? Nobody is worth one million?." 20 years ago it was "10 million, wtf" then 30, etc....
Who can tell how much one player in any sport worth? 100k, 1million, 10, 50? What are variables that define price or wage? My guess is money turnover in that sport. Money that clubs earn is huge so players prices are also huge.
In this case we have two rich clubs. One rich, one super rich. So Perisic real price is what we are willing to pay.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Last 30,40,50 years players prices and wages are subject of criticsm. 30 years ago it was "one million? Wtf? Nobody is worth one million?." 20 years ago it was "10 million, wtf" then 30, etc....
Who can tell how much one player in any sport worth? 100k, 1million, 10, 50? What are variables that define price or wage? My guess is money turnover in that sport. Money that clubs earn is huge so players prices are also huge.
In this case we have two rich clubs. One rich, one super rich. So Perisic real price is what we are willing to pay.
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I think people also apply a more business -minded interpretation on player value sometimes. If you're paying £50m will he make you £50m? If you're paying £50m will you be able to sell him for more than £50m.

It obviously doesn't work that way, as you say. The cost of a player isn't necessarily the indicator of how good he is, in itself. It can lead to an assessment on value, to an extent however, I suppose.
 
Nick7 said:
:lol: People do post some shite without a clue don't they?
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If you had watched Monaco more than a few times last season, you could figure out yourself the creativity and guile he has in the final third. I guess the assumption (having no clue) can be made about you seeing you become masked by the stats on the screen.
 
Red Pavan said:
If you had watched Monaco more than a few times last season, you could figure out yourself the creativity and guile he has in the final third. I guess the assumption (having no clue) can be made about you seeing you become masked by the stats on the screen.
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Yeah I know he's a creative player. But the point was simply on stats. I don't dispute in general play Silva is a smarter player when it comes to creativity. But on the basis of stats and specifically assist stats calling him a "creative machine" is wide of the mark. From what I've seen of him he's more of an important cog in stitching attacks together rather than being on hand to deliver the killer ball. I tdon't hink we'll get Perisic but I think given the way both players and teams play he would get more assist than Silva. Mostly because Perisic would be tasked with getting those assists whereas Silva would be stitching attacks together and sharing those assist numbers.

Hope that made sense.
 
No way should we accept to include Martial in any deal with Inter.
 
Judas said:
List them, but only the ones we could realistically get.
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Ok will give u few names but i am not a scout united have scouts all over the world i am sure there is more then 1 available
O. Dembele Dortmund, Mahrez Leicester, Lemar Monaco, Costa from Munich was also available but not now all of them players are just as good maybe better then Perisic and are younger.
 
Dave1812 said:
Ok will give u few names but i am not a scout united have scouts all over the world i am sure there is more then 1 available
O. Dembele Dortmund, Mahrez Leicester, Lemar Monaco, Costa from Munich was also available but not now all of them players are just as good maybe better then Perisic and are younger.
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Dembele isn't for sale, Lemar is a different profile to Perisic, and Mahrez plays on the opposite wing.
 
Judas said:
None of them offer what Perisic will though. It's clear Jose wants a hard working more traditional winger for his vision of how we will play this season.
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Don't we have enough hardworking players as it is ? I would think that Lingard (even if he loves to cut inside) is that perfect player. We need creativity, I mean a bit more balance between the two.
 
Hawks2008 said:
Dembele isn't for sale, Lemar is a different profile to Perisic, and Mahrez plays on the opposite wing.
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Dortmund are selling club pay enough money they will sell, Lemar plays on the left, Mahrez plays on the opposite wing yes but he still a winger u have Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Miki or can all do a job on the Left. Also Perisic can play right or left so we might play him right same side as Mahrez.
 
OohAahMartial said:
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/ivan-pe...e-in-new-look-manchester-united-attack-133315
Pretty sure Joe has based this article on this thread.
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Complete cocksocket of an article, like it's impossible that many fans just don't rate or like what they've seen of him, it's not like clubs have been beating down Inter's door for him, he's a run of the mill worker bee which is why Mournho wants him and why most fans are underwhelmed as they'd like some genuine flair and excitement on the wing.
 
Dave1812 said:
Dortmund are selling club pay enough money they will sell, Lemar plays on the left, Mahrez plays on the opposite wing yes but he still a winger u have Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Miki or can all do a job on the Left. Also Perisic can play right or left so we might play him right same side as Mahrez.
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Lemar isn't an out and out winger like Perisic though, he's arguably more suited to a central role but his versatility means he plays a lot as a left-sided attacking midfielder. When he plays on the left he often comes inside and we already have players like Mata, Mkhi, and Martial who do that. Lemar is a very good and I'd love him but he's a different player to Perisic and might not be a great fit. As for Dembele, Dortmund can hold on to him and his value will only grow so they won't let him go this summer. Mahrez is decent but doesn't strike me as a typical Jose Winger, is lazy at times and tends flit in and out of games.
 
I really don't see the point of this so called traditional winger because of crosses. Btw, a multitude of crosses does not mean many good crosses.

Let's say that he is a good crosser of the ball, which I don't think he is, who is he going to be crossing to? As good as Lukaku is, his movement isn't his strongest point. Even if he manages to get tons of crosses in, it will make sense for José to implement a system where we flood the box and have runners coming from deep to augment what Lukaku might offer, that I doubts about.
 
I reckon we should just move on and leave them with an unhappy player.

dichinero said:
I really don't see the point of this so called traditional winger because of crosses. Btw, a multitude of crosses does not mean many good crosses.

Let's say that he is a good crosser of the ball, which I don't think he is, who is he going to be crossing to? As good as Lukaku is, his movement isn't his strongest point. Even if he manages to get tons of crosses in, it will make sense for José to implement a system where we flood the box and have runners coming from deep to augment what Lukaku might offer, that I doubts about.
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Zlatan could be back in December!
 
Devil may care said:
Complete cocksocket of an article, like it's impossible that many fans just don't rate or like what they've seen of him, it's not like clubs have been beating down Inter's door for him, he's a run of the mill worker bee which is why Mournho wants him and why most fans are underwhelmed as they'd like some genuine flair and excitement on the wing.
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He isn't run of the mill, he is a creative player. Only seen him play about 5 times but he caught the eye every time.
Having said that, I wouldn't pay over 40 million euro for him but it looks like we will be paying more.
 
Frank Grimes said:
He isn't run of the mill, he is a creative player. Only seen him play about 5 times but he caught the eye every time.
Having said that, I wouldn't pay over 40 million euro for him but it looks like we will be paying more.
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He is run of the mill, just a basic winger, nothing remotely special and he's not creative unless you count crossing as creative, anything over £30M for him is ludicrous, he should be nothing more than a squad player at a club with PL and CL challenging ambitions.
 
Devil may care said:
He is run of the mill, just a basic winger, nothing remotely special and he's not creative unless you count crossing as creative, anything over £30M for him is ludicrous, he should be nothing more than a squad player at a club with PL and CL challenging ambitions.
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Well I don't feel he is run of the mill, you don't want him and don't like him as a player, that's fair enough. Of course crossing is creative, that's the point of it, to create goals.
 
Frank Grimes said:
Well I don't feel he is run of the mill, you don't want him and don't like him as a player, that's fair enough. Of course crossing is creative, that's the point of it, to create goals.
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Running down the wing and pumping ball over is pretty much the definition of run of the mill, it's Ashley Young, you're just hitting a ball into the box in the hope someone gets on it, you aren't crafting a clear opening with skill and precision.
 
Devil may care said:
Running down the wing and pumping ball over is pretty much the definition of run of the mill, it's Ashley Young, you're just hitting a ball into the box in the hope someone gets on it, you aren't crafting a clear opening with skill and precision.
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That's not the role of a traditional winger though, which Perisic is. That's more of a Miki/Mata type, who we already have on the other side.
 
Everybody talking of Dembele needs to be aware that it is very much a possibility that if Neymar moves to PSG that Dembele will sign for Barca in the same window. Sanchez looks like he will have to stay put. Everybody is waiting who will blink first and that's why not much is happening on the top transfers.
 
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