Ivan Perisic

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Adam-Utd said:
So what do you suggest, just give up and stick with the squad we have? If inter refuse to sell for less what exactly can we do. Jose clearly wants him, Perisic wants to join.

Yes the price is higher than we would like but sod it, is it really worth worrying about?.
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Yes, we should give up on Perisic. But not on signing a winger. Surely we have one of the most extensive scouting networks in the world, are you telling me there's no other option in the world who can offer us what Perisic does? Juve are signing Costa for 40 million euros, why aren't we after him instead, he's at least as talented aswell as 2 years younger.

It's worth worrying about because it's setting the very standard that we're now lamenting so much.

devilish said:
Lets buy that shiny player whom Bayern are selling on cheap. Surely nothing can go wrong by doing that.
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Worked out nicely for Real Madrid didn't it?
 
Mcking said:
Perisic is the better player and has more to his game. Costa is one dimensional -all bump past your man and whip in a cross- and he is pretty inconsistent(you can say that for every winger but Costa is as inconsistent as they come). Don't let the fact that he plays for Bayern make you think he is better. Age aside, i will take a 50m Perisic over a 40m Costa.
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If Perisic was that good, he would have moved to Bayern, when Costa was still at Schachtar.
 
Dave46 said:
If Perisic was that good, he would have moved to Bayern, when Costa was still at Schachtar.
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I must say:

Different seasons is also different performances.

Different managers is also different playing style means different players that they want.

Ancelotti is probably prefer Perisic than Costa now.
 
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Why didn't we take a punt on him slightly earlier in his career? He didn't just get very good, he obviously had potential and we have only had one good left winger in martial in the last few years. What do our scouts actually do? Wait for Dortmund, Monaco Juve etc to spot and develop talents and start scouting them then? What's the point in that? Every fan and club in the world can watch these clubs. Why not get in earlier and give the lads some football or a loan or two and see how it goes? Beats spending truck loads of cash on a 29 year old on the back of his best season. It'll probably be like Miki then, he'll take a season to really get going (if he does at all)

I get that we are at the top of the food chain but he's a weird age to be paying so much for. He looks good at what he does though and he will do well here. I actually think he's going to be the left back a lot of the time overlapping with martial. I just can't get my head around the cost / age / profile bit. We could have done with him last season too when his cost would have been considerably less. Hopefully we start doing smarter business in the future.
 
Ali Dia said:
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Why didn't we take a punt on him slightly earlier in his career? He didn't just get very good, he obviously had potential and we have only had one good left winger in martial in the last few years. What do our scouts actually do? Wait for Dortmund, Monaco Juve etc to spot and develop talents and start scouting them then? What's the point in that? Every fan and club in the world can watch these clubs. Why not get in earlier and give the lads some football or a loan or two and see how it goes? Beats spending truck loads of cash on a 29 year old on the back of his best season. It'll probably be like Miki then, he'll take a season to really get going (if he does at all)

I get that we are at the top of the food chain but he's a weird age to be paying so much for. He looks good at what he does though and he will do well here. I actually think he's going to be the left back a lot of the time overlapping with martial. I just can't get my head around the cost / age / profile bit. We could have done with him last season too when his cost would have been considerably less. Hopefully we start doing smarter business in the future.
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Because Mourinho wasn't the manager then. Mourinho clearly specifically wants a certain type of winger (hardworking and good defensively) like Willian and Perisic. Perisic isn't technically the best winger, but he's what Mourinho wants, hence why we're after him.
 
Mike09 said:
I must say:

Different seasons is also different performances.

Different managers is also different playing style means different players that they want.

Ancelotti is probably prefer Perisic than Costa now.
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So where is the interest from Bayern for Perisic then?
 
Don't get me wrong. As soon as he signs, he will get my support as a squad member, but 50-55 is an insane price.
 
United Pro said:
Because Mourinho wasn't the manager then. Mourinho clearly specifically wants a certain type of winger (hardworking and good defensively) like Willian and Perisic. Perisic isn't technically the best winger, but he's what Mourinho wants, hence why we're after him.
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Jose was here last season too and as I said we could have done with him then too, a year earlier and less expensive. Our scouts have been doing a not so amazing job for some time. Bailly cool hats off. Reckon Jose had him pegged himself though for whatever reason, I could be wrong. Martial too, the jury is still out or wheather he has the temperament to really succeed here and he cost a lot for what he'd done. Ander pogba and lukaku, any football fan could see they were good players and two of them were eye wateringly expensive. I get that all the management change hasn't helped on that front but the waste is phenomenal. Maybe that's just the way it's going to be at our club now but other smaller clubs have been run much better than us in the last few years, no doubt about it and scouting and recruiting potentially really top players earlier is part of that.
 
Ali Dia said:
Jose was here last season too and as I said we could have done with him then too, a year earlier and less expensive. Our scouts have been doing a not so amazing job for some time. Bailly cool hats off. Reckon Jose had him pegged himself though for whatever reason, I could be wrong. Martial too, the jury is still out or wheather he has the temperament to really succeed here and he cost a lot for what he'd done. Ander pogba and lukaku, any football fan could see they were good players and two of them were eye wateringly expensive. I get that all the management change hasn't helped on that front but the waste is phenomenal. Maybe that's just the way it's going to be at our club now but other smaller clubs have been run much better than us in the last few years, no doubt about it and scouting and recruiting potentially really top players earlier is part of that.
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Well last season Mourinho moved for Mkhitaryan instead, but perhaps Perisic was on the list of transfers. Castles new article seems to suggest that Mourinho still wants Willian, but Perisic is also on that list. That also seems consistent with the reports of last season.
On Ander, you say any football fan could see that he was a good player, but if we rewind to last summer most on here would have preferred to sell him over Schneiderlin. The same applies to Martial now given that he was our best outfield player and many on here was tipping him to challenge for Ballon D'or in a few years. My point is firstly football fans are fickle, but so are managers and players that didn't perform last season can be incredible next season.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Great point regarding wages, however I think it won't apply in this instance. I think he'll demand high wages given his age and this being his last big move etc

Although having said that, Woody doesn't seem to bother too much about wages and agent fees anyway
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I'm no so sure. The reports I've seen state he is currently on around £45k a week and we're looking to double that. At £90k a week on a 4 year deal and with a £45m fee you're looking at £63m total.

In this example it would be no different to paying a similar player £160k a week and paying a £31m transfer fee - which is the kind of fee/wages that the likes of Arsenal/Chelsea and Walcott/Willian for example would demand.
 
finneh said:
I'm no so sure. The reports I've seen state he is currently on around £45k a week and we're looking to double that. At £90k a week on a 4 year deal and with a £45m fee you're looking at £63m total.

In this example it would be no different to paying a similar player £160k a week and paying a £31m transfer fee - which is the kind of fee/wages that the likes of Arsenal/Chelsea and Walcott/Willian for example would demand.
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Please tell me no one has mentioned Walcott in relation to us?
 
United Pro said:
Well last season Mourinho moved for Mkhitaryan instead, but perhaps Perisic was on the list of transfers. Castles new article seems to suggest that Mourinho still wants Willian, but Perisic is also on that list. That also seems consistent with the reports of last season.
On Ander, you say any football fan could see that he was a good player, but if we rewind to last summer most on here would have preferred to sell him over Schneiderlin. The same applies to Martial now given that he was our best outfield player and many on here was tipping him to challenge for Ballon D'or in a few years. My point is firstly football fans are fickle, but so are managers and players that didn't perform last season can be incredible next season.
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Ander looked class against us and was impressive any time I'd seen him since. A no brainier. We really needed midlfielders. It was clear LVG didn't have a clue what he was doing with him or most of the other players. Ander always looked like a potentially top class midfielder when used correctly and trusted and had done since his first pre season game with us. I don't have a clue what LVG was trying to achieve to be honest and won't even begin to try, just very glad we are rid. Peresic would have been £30 million and 27 last summer. Fine. None of this £45 million nonsense. It was also clear martial was our only natural option on that side going into last season. Rashford hasn't excelled there at all but at least he got minutes. Miki was for the right and possibly the 10

I agree about writing players off too early but It'll be good for martial and shaw to have some competition over on the left because more of what they produced last season and no backup and they'd be straight out the door the end of the season coming. This way they have more time to develop if the manager sees what he likes. The only way is down from Manchester United for most of these players.
 
Dont see why there is such a hang up from posters on the price. The club can easily afford to spend it on him due to the on field and off field success. Is he worth the reported fee being asked, probably not but if he contributes to us being a better attacking team next season then Im all for it.
 
AbusementPark said:
Dont see why there is such a hang up from posters on the price. The club can easily afford to spend it on him due to the on field and off field success. Is he worth the reported fee being asked, probably not but if he contributes to us being a better attacking team next season then Im all for it.
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It's funny when you think about it. The people who the money belongs to (Glazer's) are happy to spend it, but people on the internet who will never get their hands on a penny of it are outraged that it's being spent. Obsession about transfer fees is odd behaviour that has gradually become accepted as being normal.
 
Ali Dia said:
Ander looked class against us and was impressive any time I'd seen him since. A no brainier. We really needed midlfielders. It was clear LVG didn't have a clue what he was doing with him or most of the other players. Ander always looked like a potentially top class midfielder when used correctly and trusted and had done since his first pre season game with us. I don't have a clue what LVG was trying to achieve to be honest and won't even begin to try, just very glad we are rid. Peresic would have been £30 million and 27 last summer. Fine. None of this £45 million nonsense. It was also clear martial was our only natural option on that side going into last season. Rashford hasn't excelled there at all but at least he got minutes. Miki was for the right and possibly the 10

I agree about writing players off too early but It'll be good for martial and shaw to have some competition over on the left because more of what they produced last season and no backup and they'd be straight out the door the end of the season coming. This way they have more time to develop if the manager sees what he likes. The only way is down from Manchester United for most of these players.
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Agreed on LVG. Why do you assume Perisic would have cost £30m last season? Unless Inter came out and said that he was available at that price, I don't see why he would have been. Also, perhaps it was last season's form of Perisic that convinced Mourinho that he was needed here. I agree with the price being ridiculous, but that's the market and if Inter really don't want to sell but we really want him, we'll have to pay up.
On having players coming in as back up, I think if we are paying £45m on Perisic, he'll likely be first team and Martial on the bench. I mean, he was on the bench last season even without the attacking additions that we've made/will make this summer.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
It's funny when you think about it. The people who the money belongs to (Glazer's) are happy to spend it, but people on the internet who will never get their hands on a penny of it are outraged that it's being spent. Obsession about transfer fees is odd behaviour that has gradually become accepted as being normal.
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Same way the Glazers were happy with appointing Moyes.

The Glazers are not Roman and do not invest a portion of their personal wealth into the club. What is being spent is from club revenue and that (directly or indirectly) ultimately comes out of the pocket of fans.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
It's funny when you think about it. The people who the money belongs to (Glazer's) are happy to spend it, but people on the internet who will never get their hands on a penny of it are outraged that it's being spent. Obsession about transfer fees is odd behaviour that has gradually become accepted as being normal.
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Or maybe it's just a simple case people rather see the same money spent on potentially better players. Spend the £50m plus another £10m on say Sanchez who is a better player and no one will bat an eyelid
 
Ali Dia said:
The Dortmund connection grows...

Why didn't we take a punt on him slightly earlier in his career? He didn't just get very good, he obviously had potential and we have only had one good left winger in martial in the last few years. What do our scouts actually do? Wait for Dortmund, Monaco Juve etc to spot and develop talents and start scouting them then? What's the point in that? Every fan and club in the world can watch these clubs. Why not get in earlier and give the lads some football or a loan or two and see how it goes? Beats spending truck loads of cash on a 29 year old on the back of his best season. It'll probably be like Miki then, he'll take a season to really get going (if he does at all)

I get that we are at the top of the food chain but he's a weird age to be paying so much for. He looks good at what he does though and he will do well here. I actually think he's going to be the left back a lot of the time overlapping with martial. I just can't get my head around the cost / age / profile bit. We could have done with him last season too when his cost would have been considerably less. Hopefully we start doing smarter business in the future.
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Because we wasted time signing flashy players like Di Maria, Memphis etc who didn't work out. Perisic (and this summer in general) is the first time we've shown a change in transfer strategy to actually sign players who fit the team rather than just get the exciting, flavour of the month players. So many signings on paper seemed great but didn't work out - Di Maria, Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Memphis, Shaw to some extent. Glad to see we're finally moving away from that policy even if isn't as fun for transfer muppets
 
dichinero said:
Or maybe it's just a simple case people rather see the same money spent on potentially better players. Spend the £50m plus another £10m on say Sanchez who is a better player and no one will bat an eyelid
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You could make this case for clubs like Arsenal who have to meet their ends. But we are pretty much an unlimited fund club at the moment. If there is a player we are not buying, its definitely not because of lack of money.
 
JohnnyLaw said:
Yes, we should give up on Perisic. But not on signing a winger. Surely we have one of the most extensive scouting networks in the world, are you telling me there's no other option in the world who can offer us what Perisic does? Juve are signing Costa for 40 million euros, why aren't we after him instead, he's at least as talented aswell as 2 years younger.

It's worth worrying about because it's setting the very standard that we're now lamenting so much.



Worked out nicely for Real Madrid didn't it?
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AndyJ1985 said:
It's funny when you think about it. The people who the money belongs to (Glazer's) are happy to spend it, but people on the internet who will never get their hands on a penny of it are outraged that it's being spent. Obsession about transfer fees is odd behaviour that has gradually become accepted as being normal.
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This is of course true. I'm talking about our scouting and transfer strategy moreso though. I'd like to see less waste. We could have probably done with this transfer last year in hindsight. He'd be a year younger and more than likely cheaper. We've signed a load of duds in the last few years. Just wondering what our scouts have been up to. Anyway it's not a big deal. I'd just like to see us run a bit better off the field then we might see better results on the field. Not just throwing money around for the sake of it on very little

I like this signing. It gives us something we don't have and we need. It's not my money and the manager wants him. I'm cool with that. If we had a few really good prospects for these positions and hadn't made a load of terrible decisions in the last few years clubs wouldn't really be able to hold us to ransom like this either. It's not this transfer in particular and I think things will improve with Jose in charge
 
Saf94 said:
Because we wasted time signing flashy players like Di Maria, Memphis etc who didn't work out. Perisic (and this summer in general) is the first time we've shown a change in transfer strategy to actually sign players who fit the team rather than just get the exciting, flavour of the month players. So many signings on paper seemed great but didn't work out - Di Maria, Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Memphis, Shaw to some extent. Glad to see we're finally moving away from that policy even if isn't as fun for transfer muppets
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Shocking really. Our last two managers were idiots though. I'd argue most armchair fans would have brought in better than the above and not made such a meal out of the transition. As I said above though I think we are learning and getting better.
 
One thing is sure, if he does come he won't get a chance to shine from redcafe. They'll wait for his every bad touch, every missplaced pass, every bad game.. He could have 10 good games but if he has bad 11th the forum will be full of shit, turd posts and the like.

I see creativity is still high as chlamydia has been mentioned. Respect.
 
Ban said:
One thing is sure, if he does come he won't get a chance to shine from redcafe. They'll wait for his every bad touch, every missplaced pass, every bad game.. He could have 10 good games but if he has bad 11th the forum will be full of shit, turd posts and the like.

I see creativity is still high as chlamydia has been mentioned. Respect.
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Get over yourself. He'll get the same chances everyone gets, if he does well he'll earn his respect just like Rojo has this season. He can't expect to get an easy ride from anyone if the quoted fees should prove true.
 
Saf94 said:
Because we wasted time signing flashy players like Di Maria, Memphis etc who didn't work out. Perisic (and this summer in general) is the first time we've shown a change in transfer strategy to actually sign players who fit the team rather than just get the exciting, flavour of the month players. So many signings on paper seemed great but didn't work out - Di Maria, Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Memphis, Shaw to some extent. Glad to see we're finally moving away from that policy even if isn't as fun for transfer muppets
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Or because he's never been anything but an at best slightly above average winger. He's no less of a flavor of the month himself and at 28 he's not getting any better, this whole idea of him being what our system needs is just a rationalisation from a section of our fan base. "He's not a productive winger so he must be a defensive winger, our manager is a defensive manager!" it all makes sense! Even when it appears on the surface that he's had a very good season, his stats are no better than Douglas Costas who's coming off a disappointing season at Bayern. What the hell is a defensive winger anyway but a masque for either an average winger or another word for a wing back, his defensive stats are barely if at all better than those of Wilfried Zaha for fecks sake and he's not great in possession either. Hopefully this'll end like the Morata deal, either in falling apart or as in proving to be a smokescreen for another signing we're attempting to make.
 
JohnnyLaw said:
Get over yourself. He'll get the same chances everyone gets, if he does well he'll earn his respect just like Rojo has this season. He can't expect to get an easy ride from anyone if the quoted fees should prove true.
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Oh yes. Rojo. I was just thinking about Rojo while writing the post. This season you still had 'he's still shit' posts and the like.
Also Fellaini. He certainly didn't get an easy ride whatever he did or he does.. So don't lecture me please.
 
Ban said:
Oh yes. Rojo. I was just thinking about Rojo while writing the post. This season you still had 'he's still shit' posts and the like.
Also Fellaini. He certainly didn't get an easy ride whatever he did or he does.. So don't lecture me please.
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You'll always get those crtitiques, even fecking Zlatan and Pogba get those so why shouldn't Perisic? The fact is though that the vast majority of the caf has been very supportive of Rojo this season. Fellaini generally hasn't been good enough so that's besides the point.
 
Ban said:
One thing is sure, if he does come he won't get a chance to shine from redcafe. They'll wait for his every bad touch, every missplaced pass, every bad game.. He could have 10 good games but if he has bad 11th the forum will be full of shit, turd posts and the like.

I see creativity is still high as chlamydia has been mentioned. Respect.
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I tend to agree with you on most threads but on this Perisic case, you've been trying to play the victim on his behalf for yonks now. I don't want him but if he comes we should support on the mere fact that he plays for the club, that doesn't still means everyone has to like him. He will have to prove himself and convince someone like me. At the end of the day, the added pressure to deliver will be because of the desperation of José to sign him more than any other player and his experience of course.

There really is no need to try to stir up stuff. If he signs, I want him to do well because quite frankly I'm tired of the last few seasons.
 
Dave46 said:
So where is the interest from Bayern for Perisic then?
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That was just assumption if Ancelotti was the one in charge during Pep's era. The one who decided to sign Costa was Pep not Bayern! Ancelotti doesn't rate Costa.
 
finneh said:
I'm no so sure. The reports I've seen state he is currently on around £45k a week and we're looking to double that. At £90k a week on a 4 year deal and with a £45m fee you're looking at £63m total.

In this example it would be no different to paying a similar player £160k a week and paying a £31m transfer fee - which is the kind of fee/wages that the likes of Arsenal/Chelsea and Walcott/Willian for example would demand.
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Does it not ring alarm bells that a supposed £50m player is perfectly happy with receiving only £90k a week?
 
Irrational. said:
What's Jose's record like with wingers? We know he usually gets it spot on with strikers and CBs...
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Cuadrado, Salah, Schurrle, Quaresma weren't great (for him at least)

Good ones were probably Robben, Di Maria, Willian, Malouda

Decent ones Shaun Wright-Phillips, Kalou, Pedro, Callejon

All in all it's 50/50 i'd say
 
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