Well, shit... that's even worse than I thought, and at his age it's only going to get worse. Why are we going for this guy again? Has Mourinho lost his mind?
Ivan Perisic
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Go look up Giggs' stat then we discuss the role of winger (not wide forward) again. Leave out over the hill year as winger if you want, of course since it may influence Giggs' stat negatively.
Giggs is definitely better than Perisic, and through out their career. Giggs did have advantage in playing in a team focus on wing play & a team that is consistently among the best in the league (Not taking away any credit of Giggs' brilliance). Giggs did suffer injuries plague that set him back too. The thing is for a out out winger, and here one of the best in his generation, Giggs' stats ain't that impressive compare to nowadays wing forward. So there are duties that ain't picked up by goal & assist stats for the out out winger. It's easy to see by watching them (the winger plays) to spot great/ good/ shite one easily. Perisic ain't elite, and he was a poor man Robben early in his career. His game has changed & it seems like he finally found his role, and he's entering his peak & his stats improving into a good winger. Let's not forget he's playing for a very bad Inter. He has a better season than the prior one, yet this Inter team couldn't even make EL spot like they did the season before. Individual performance, he showed improving trend.
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We should pull out of this deal asap. Jose will just need to be flexible and go for someone else. £39M is already more than fair for him.
There is no way we can set a bad precedent by paying more than that and the club should stand absolutely firm on that.
I'm sure there are other players out there as well.
There is no way we can set a bad precedent by paying more than that and the club should stand absolutely firm on that.
I'm sure there are other players out there as well.
If D.castle recent podcast is anything go by jose has given atleast 3 players for each position then we should move onto the next alternative. Inter is asking absurd amount of money, we should inform perisics agent that this is the last we can offer if Inter doesnt accepts then we will move on. If he really wants to play for us then he might handover transfer request and that will help to get the price down.
With all the news that jose is unhappy with our lack of signings, he should consider these things we are trying our utmost best to get the deals but its not easy taking into account the prices asked by the other clubs and the griezmann deal due to transfer ban. Last season without Cl he got all the targets. (I know its not his mistake that we didnt have CL).
If we dont have any new signing other than victor for pre season tour and we start poorly then i am afraid this will turn out to be the same as jose last season at chelsea. But he should also think we cannot pay what other clubs are asking for even though we are the richest clubs in the world the owners wouldnt want to spend insane amount of money every year.
With all the news that jose is unhappy with our lack of signings, he should consider these things we are trying our utmost best to get the deals but its not easy taking into account the prices asked by the other clubs and the griezmann deal due to transfer ban. Last season without Cl he got all the targets. (I know its not his mistake that we didnt have CL).
If we dont have any new signing other than victor for pre season tour and we start poorly then i am afraid this will turn out to be the same as jose last season at chelsea. But he should also think we cannot pay what other clubs are asking for even though we are the richest clubs in the world the owners wouldnt want to spend insane amount of money every year.
inter won't sell the player
The reality is that we need better players than we already have, and if Mou thinks they will improve the team then you have to trust his judgment. Now of course the selling team want top dollar and know we are desperate for better players, but the glazers/woodward dont want to pay all that. Unfortunately we are the losers in this, and if we're to improve to try and challenge for the league, we will have to pay the going rate. If we dont, then we finish 5-6th again, and/or Mou will leave I think. Woodys done himself no favours been spotted at the rugby other side of the world, when we cant get these players in, compared to last year. Surely his hols should be in sept once the window shuts. If we can get back to the top, and we can supplement the team with youth players in thenext couple of seasons, we can then better dictate transfer fees for incoming players
Pretty much, but this isn't surprising. Soon enough Jose will sign enough dull workhorses that we finally achieve his vision of us becoming a rich man's West Brom (if we aren't that already). I for one cannot wait to see us lining up against the top 6 with a front 3 of Perisic-Rashford-Lingard and backed up by a midfield that includes Matic and Fellaini...
According to some we don't need 11 superstars, or in a glorified way we don't need word class players to be a team, which is true in some ways, but without that extra bit of quality you can only go so far. And we ask ourselves why we still on 3 European cups
If they have rejected the bid then we have to move on to our next targets. I like Perisic and he is very good player but we shouldn't bend over for every player we have to sign.
As per reports Jose gave 3 choices for each position, so maybe time to move on.
As per reports Jose gave 3 choices for each position, so maybe time to move on.
Lvg is at tremendous fault of selling players before buying the replacement. Zaha could have been used under Mourinho.
For 50m we might get Douglas Costa
If Jose reckons he improves us, then get him in. Who cares about the price, rather it was spent on the team than rotting in their back pockets.
In that case, who would you have us signing? Not many wingers available would drastically improve the existing lot we have.
Perisic is a dependable, experienced Croatian international who has played for some of the biggest clubs in the world - Dortmund and Inter Milan. He shone in the Euros last year; running defences ragged with his direct running. Seems a hard working player who would listen to Jose's orders and execute the game plan he prefers.
He isn't great at any of those things, nor do them consistently or to a high level through his career. There are some seasons where he barely creates 30 chances which is what Rashford did. People are only convincing themselves because he had a standout season (for him) in Serie A, a league where unspectacular players have performed far better, and the quality has been declining for a decade. Do people actually think he will destroy CL defences and Premier League FB's? I hope he does, but based on his career and how non special he was in Germany, I struggle to see why he would suddenly blossom. His crossing is pretty poor as well from my memory. He may take a good while to adapt to the change of this league, and by then he'll in is 30's and his energetic approach may be declining (hopefully not). Players need to become extremely fit over here and Mikitaryan provided some proof of this, especially as he was a player who used to press before. The level went up when he came. I think its a lot of pressure, demand etc to put on Perisic's shoulders and I question his mentality already.
He was the best player in Belgium though so that's something!
Also, most of Jose's signings at Chelsea were flops, especially his players who play out wide or FB, so the "I trust him factor" is a bit wishy washy. Him and Griezmann would've been just fine but by by himself, I see him more of a helper when we need killers!
Jose's second spell at Chelsea saw him buy Cuadrado and Willian. Not spectacular successes either of them.
But we tend to forget he has a knack of picking good buys that would benefit the team; Robben and Joe Cole blossomed under him in those two seasons back in 2004.
Perisic or not, we could definitely make do with a proper winger is what I say.
In his last 28 national appearances he has 15 goals. Was also Croatia's top scorer in 2016 EURO qualifying. Played well in the finals. WhoScored gave him a 7.84 rating, the same as Griezmann & Modric.
2014 World Cup he was ranked as the second-best performing player of the group stage by FIFA. So that's TWO International tournaments he has performed at.
16 goals, 16 assists in 57 games at national level. He started to kick on 2014 onwards. The 26 games prior he had only 1 goal.
11 goals and 8 assists in an unstable club/team last year. Salah had 15 goals and 11 assists in a much more stable team who played better football which suited him. Some of you are claiming Salah is the much better player which is wide of the mark, and the fact that he failed under a Mourinho system before should at the very least tell you that different wingers are suited to different systems.
Some drivel in here about fecking Arnautovic being better than Perisic. Seriously what the feck?
He is clearly a good player, all this guff about him being shite is becoming increasingly annoying to read. Perisic would be joining a BETTER team with a system that suits him and WILL produce.
So you chose to ignore my post? Why do you ignore his international record where he plays for a better team? Like I said he kicked on from 2014 onwards for Croatia which is inbetween his Wolfsburg spell where he earned a move to Inter.
Nice for you to pull up goal stats. People on here are clamouring for us to sign Douglas Costa and he has a worse record than Perisic. 8 goals in 50 games for Bayern. 29 goals in 140 appearances for Shakhtar.
Looks like perisic already joined the caf. @haram
I wish I could post more, however I have a limited amount of posts in the main forum. The main reason I joined was because there is a lot of garbage being posted about Perisic. He is a good player.
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Why the hell are we still holding out on Perisic? It's not exactly like he's world class that we're being cuckolded for. Inter want a ridiculous fee so we should quite rightly tell them to feck off. We're wasting time pursuing him when we should be moving onto other targets. And if you're telling me that Perisic is the only player that'll fit Jose's system, then either Jose is not going to last long or our scouting is fecking shite.
That can't be all though, can it. Fellaini is dependable as far as José is concerned but without that extra quality, we will be fighting for top 5 again. He will be coming to the most difficult league from Serie A and will need to have some serious quality to transcend into the PL. I see the Euros being used as the most common argument. Ramsey had a better tournament and got further and with all his PL experience, I would not consider him on a free. I'm not sure people understand how much quality we lack in our side. Every side in the top 6 has at least that one player that has the X factor, and if we think Perisic is the answer we have a long hard season ahead of us
coming round to the idea of leaving this or looking at alternatives - purely based on $$$
Bayern just bought Gnabry for 8 million - would be pretty silly to blow over 5 times that amount
with Ribery, Robben, Gnabry, Coman, Kimmich, Costa on the books surely one of these will be available
would Martial and Pereira for a year on the left be so disastrous?
Griezeman and Dembele next Summer
Bayern just bought Gnabry for 8 million - would be pretty silly to blow over 5 times that amount
with Ribery, Robben, Gnabry, Coman, Kimmich, Costa on the books surely one of these will be available
would Martial and Pereira for a year on the left be so disastrous?
Griezeman and Dembele next Summer
I watched a youtube video last night, and he seems like a direct winger who won't just cut in all the time...
I think he'd do well here...
I think he'd do well here...
Looks like perisic already joined the caf. @haram
Agree with the assessment that every other team in the top 6 has a player with an X Factor; even we had Ibra last season. Guess Jose had earmarked Griezmann to be the one this season - pity how that turned out.
Perisic would not be anyone's go-to player in any side that he plays for. He was supposed to be complementing the likes of Pogba and Griezmann while giving us some extra pace on the wings and help stretch defences. He would never be our Neymar anyway, scaring opposition off with just his name on the team sheet.
Expecting too much of Perisic, even if he does sign for us, is just as big a travesty as it was all those years ago when we signed Valencia from Wigan and folks thought he would replace Ronny. As different as chalk and cheese, I told them even then.
What pains me is the fact that people are missing the bigger picture; Jose would have had a separate set of B list targets if Griezmann was not gonna happen. Wait for Woody to come through and make peace with those lads we actually sign. The lot of us would feel better that way.
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Well, being good isn't exactly what we need right now.
Like I said before if we are going to spend 50m pounds + then I expect us to sign a top class player not just a good player.
I only said his stats isn't much better than Arnautovic stats though which is true if you check Arnautovic and Perisic last season and two seasons ago both of them produced almost the same in total amount of goals and assists.
I never said Perisic and Arnautovic are equally the same quality in term of overall as a player because I can't judge him since I haven't watch him yet. But according to the end product stats, both Perisic (18 goals & 14 assists) and Arnautovic (17 goals & 11 assists) aren't much different. And Stoke City is worse than Inter, and EPL is in a higher tier league than Serie A.
Well, being good isn't exactly what we need right now.
Like I said before if we are going to spend 50m pounds + then I expect us to sign a top class player not just a good player.
I only said his stats isn't much better than Arnautovic stats though which is true if you check Arnautovic and Perisic last season and two seasons ago both of them produced almost the same in total amount of goals and assists.
I never said Perisic and Arnautovic are equally the same quality in term of overall as a player because I can't judge him since I haven't watch him yet. But according to the end product stats, both Perisic (18 goals & 14 assists) and Arnautovic (17 goals & 11 assists) aren't much different. And Stoke City is worse than Inter, and EPL is in a higher tier league than Serie A.
Perisic played for Dortmund and Inter. In this current time none of them consider them as part of biggest teams in the world.
Quaresma played for Barca, Chelsea, and Inter Milan, even for Portuguesse and Turkey champion. He was the champion. But does not change the fact that he is also shite.
And international goals and assists for Croatia, really mate ? In what game against the big team that he did it ?
Croatia is all about Modric, Rakitic, and Mandzukic. Even with those 3s, Croatia could not have a great Euro.
20-25 is the price. More than that, we are being rob.
Quaresma played for Barca, Chelsea, and Inter Milan, even for Portuguesse and Turkey champion. He was the champion. But does not change the fact that he is also shite.
And international goals and assists for Croatia, really mate ? In what game against the big team that he did it ?
Croatia is all about Modric, Rakitic, and Mandzukic. Even with those 3s, Croatia could not have a great Euro.
20-25 is the price. More than that, we are being rob.
40m for this donkey and they reject it?
Mourinho left winger list must be: Ronaldo, Hazard, Neymar, Perisic
The price is stupid but this post is in line with it.
I guess the manager who wants him is also a donkey?
Well that's the problem I have. If you're right, should Griezmann be the only top player on this so called list? You'd have thought after the mess of crawling over the line to get into the CL, we would be fighting tooth and nail to acquire the best talents out there.
I understand the whole complementing other players but we have way too many of that. I've seen posters say that it will complement Pogba as if he going to provide the X factor we desperately need. Morata isn't world class either, he is just a very good player who would be coming to tougher league and in a team that is still trying to find it's way. The poor lad will be the one carrying all the burden.
Griezmann and Perisic would not have been vying for the same spot. So it will be worrying if the later was actually in list A.
The thing about mercurial wingers is they blow hot and cold. Seems Mourinho wants one Irwin style winger, a consistent 7/10 player to offset whoever he plays on the other wing. If its what will make his formation work then we've got to pay the price.
To be honest think my total confidence on Jose's decision making has been in doubt since he started putting fellaini not only in the team, but ramming it in our faces he intends to be a big part of the team despite it makes the team that more worse off, and giving lingard a new contract just really got my head scratching. Think the signings of perisic and matic will defiantly escalate that concern on what direction he's got the team going in, we wanted an answer on where the team will be going has the season progresses and what he wants this summer, yes its fantastic we picked up a few trophy's, but the problem was not only goals but our lack of tempo in our game, what we seeing so far does not seem like we solving that problem
Which would be fine if we had that spectacular, risk-taking flair player on the other wing. But we don't, and by all accounts Perisic would be the only non-striker attacker we'd buy. What we need is that other winger you're talking about.
A young Owen was sensational even more so than Mbappe imho.
IMO the club shouldn't increase the fees anymore. I hope Ed sticks with the current fees and if Inter wants more, just use the bonus fees.
Still think he looks a good solid player. The only way I care about the fee is if it would stop us signing another player which I highly doubt will happen. SO SPEND AWAY
The question is when you look at his past clubs and some of the wingers he inherited, duff and robben chelsea 2004-06, ronaldo real madrid 2010-13, chelsea hazard 2013-15 - if he had his way, would he even want those kind of players? lets not forget hazard in Mourinho's third season season played so bad he did not even score a goal under Mourinho when he got the sack. So in a way its a concern that he does not seem to want to evolve or be flexible in the kind of players we need to challenge, which leads to the point we need a DOF
Can I still be Kevin? I'm just used to it by now
I'll be Frank, Kevin. You can't
International qualifiers are duds mate. The group stage is pretty much a warm up too. Focus on his club performances because the climate at United will be vastly different. He won't be playing Turkey, Czech Republic, Kosovo, Finland, Iceland etc.In his last 28 national appearances he has 15 goals. Was also Croatia's top scorer in 2016 EURO qualifying. Played well in the finals. WhoScored gave him a 7.84 rating, the same as Griezmann & Modric.
2014 World Cup he was ranked as the second-best performing player of the group stage by FIFA. So that's TWO International tournaments he has performed at.
16 goals, 16 assists in 57 games at national level. He started to kick on 2014 onwards. The 26 games prior he had only 1 goal.
11 goals and 8 assists in an unstable club/team last year. Salah had 15 goals and 11 assists in a much more stable team who played better football which suited him. Some of you are claiming Salah is the much better player which is wide of the mark, and the fact that he failed under a Mourinho system before should at the very least tell you that different wingers are suited to different systems.
Some drivel in here about fecking Arnautovic being better than Perisic. Seriously what the feck?
He is clearly a good player, all this guff about him being shite is becoming increasingly annoying to read. Perisic would be joining a BETTER team with a system that suits him and WILL produce.
So you chose to ignore my post? Why do you ignore his international record where he plays for a better team? Like I said he kicked on from 2014 onwards for Croatia which is inbetween his Wolfsburg spell where he earned a move to Inter.
Nice for you to pull up goal stats. People on here are clamouring for us to sign Douglas Costa and he has a worse record than Perisic. 8 goals in 50 games for Bayern. 29 goals in 140 appearances for Shakhtar.
I wish I could post more, however I have a limited amount of posts in the main forum. The main reason I joined was because there is a lot of garbage being posted about Perisic. He is a good player.
What makes you suggest that Salah had everything set up for him? Maybe Salah is more adaptable since Perisic has struggled most of his career at various teams?
That is a fair point, and also why I strongly disagree with Mourinho's football philosophy.
Could not care less how much the club spends, and it's ridiculous to write him off like so many in this thread has been doing without him even kicking a ball for us. No matter how well he'll do, there will be people on here hellbent on talking him down because he's not the flashy player they want. If this is the player Mourinho wants, then I'll certainly wait for him to have played atleast a few minutes of football before saying how big of a flop he already is.
Was there any news about who is the alternative to Perisic?
There is nothing wrong with having a proper dependable winger on the left given that none of Mikhi, Mata, Martial, Rashford or Lingard managed to hold down a regular spot last season. He would be expected to fare better than what we've had last season, at the bare minimum.
This discussion is centred around getting players that would fit the world class bracket - I don't see a lot of wing talent that would elevate the team apart from (maybe) Neymar and Bale. But getting either of those two is as likely as me dating Miranda Kerr.
With the rationale of going for the best talent out there, it would narrow down the list to either Dembele or Mbappe. Don't hear much of anything about United these days apart from the press allocated trinity of Morata, Matic and Perisic.
Morata is not an average player as many of us here would have us believe - he is a competent striker who has become the Spanish national side's attack spearhead. Found this pretty good article the other day highlighting the stats game that folks like to fight tooth and nail over:
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...rata-to-manchester-united-how-could-he-fit-in
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