He's right though, people are so ungrateful. Expect instant gratification.
We've only played 90 mins this season with 5 new players today, did you expect us to put in a Barcelona like performance, Depay to morph into Messi and Rooney into Suarez!
It took 60 minutes to get a shot on target.
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He's right though, people are so ungrateful. Expect instant gratification.
We've only played 90 mins this season with 5 new players today, did you expect us to put in a Barcelona like performance, Depay to morph into Messi and Rooney into Suarez!
It's not necessarily about having many shots but the fact that the first one on target took that long is frustrating.
I agree that we need more creativity but I would rather give it a little more for players to gel and to get our fitness up before I start getting on their backs.
Just been looking at shooting stats from recent seasons. Fecking QPR had more shots at goal than us in 2014/15.
Again...have you seen last season's game? It was the same. Half a chance evry 2 games.
Playing on the wing has never prevented players from taking many shots. In fact you're gonna find more wingers who score more goals than n°10s in the world.
But but but it was first game of the season...oh wait.
Where can I see those stats?
pretty big difference between barca level and what we saw today. Pretty big.
There's a huge middle ground where we could of landed in terms of our performance but hey it's spurs and they took a bite at us so I'm not asking questions and praying it turns up.
The sooner the better.
http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_shots
Just pipped Southampton and Stoke. Well done us.
Cheers man, gonna have a look.
It's more about Spurs' defending than anything. I expected them to roll over like last season but they defended resolutely. Alderweireld mainly was a good addition.
I don't think so. But then again most wingers today are no.10s
It's really interesting actually. We were gash in Fergie's last season and been near mid-table ever since. Before that we were consistently top three, usually top one or two.
Yeah I know man I said it earlier on in the thread, just bring faceteous.
Hehe I'll give you that. Agree though, didn't seem as on point as as they could be. But it's the start of the season with a new set up, it'll only get better.
We simply lack the guy who 'assist the assist', so to speak.
We see Silva make loads of those little inside channel passes to his fullbacks, who then drill it into Aguero. We've seen him do it for years now. Cazorla too. Peak Fabregas does/did it. Even Coutinho merges it with direct assists.
We lack that man. Some seem to think Mata could do it, if he's played as a '10', but he's not that sort of player.
Our forward players (Depay, Rooney, Mata, even Fellaini) all just like to get the final touch and final pass, and we don't have enough who are able to assist the assist.
If Herrera can't do the job in an attacking midfield role, then it's time to buy a proper attacking midfielder, because Mata and Kagawa are/were not proper attacking midfielders/10s, they're second strikers. They do nothing to solve the problem.
We see Silva make loads of those little inside channel passes to his fullbacks, who then drill it into Aguero. We've seen him do it for years now. Cazorla too. Peak Fabregas does/did it. Even Coutinho merges it with direct assists.
We lack that man. Some seem to think Mata could do it, if he's played as a '10', but he's not that sort of player.
Our forward players (Depay, Rooney, Mata, even Fellaini) all just like to get the final touch and final pass, and we don't have enough who are able to assist the assist.
If Herrera can't do the job in an attacking midfield role, then it's time to buy a proper attacking midfielder, because Mata and Kagawa are/were not proper attacking midfielders/10s, they're second strikers. They do nothing to solve the problem.
Kevin de Bruyne is your man.
Nothing like some negativity on the caf after a win. Thought we were quite good after the first 10 mins and looked like the only team who could score until the last 10 mins or so when we decided to sit back and soak up the pressure.
Let's not forget the players had no pre-season friendlies at Old Trafford and however big a player might be, playing for the first time in front of 75000 fans can make you nervous. Saw that with Schneiderlin today when he looked nervous with his first few touches but eventually grew into the game. We looked pretty comfortable in midfield with Carrick & Schneiderlin.
Attack will sort itself out once the new players grow into the system and start moving the ball quickly and taking the riskier options more.
Let's not forget the players had no pre-season friendlies at Old Trafford and however big a player might be, playing for the first time in front of 75000 fans can make you nervous. Saw that with Schneiderlin today when he looked nervous with his first few touches but eventually grew into the game. We looked pretty comfortable in midfield with Carrick & Schneiderlin.
Attack will sort itself out once the new players grow into the system and start moving the ball quickly and taking the riskier options more.
Bang on the money this.
This place has become full of self proclaimed moderators telling people how unreasonable their opinions are whenever any negative is mentioned. Worse than that they claim it's the posters raising questions that are tiring rather than themselves who go from thread to thread saying the same thing without offering discussion.
I was a pragmatic poster during the Fergie years defending our team from such negativity but it was based on a track record of success.
This team and manager haven't proved anything here yet. It's not unreasonable therefore to point out our lack of attacking threat when it was present all last season.
It's only the first game and things might change but the reasons behind some of our limpness last season were still present and some of them point to the manager and not being rusty. Do we excuse him until he buys a 100m creative player?
Nah no white text so my bad.my bad
What happens when you have ball-players like Carrick, Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger (who don't really go past players with the ball) is that they give the forwards lots of the ball and basically say: 'here you are. Go and create'
But none of our forwards are actually creators, or even exceptional dribblers. So they receive tons of accurate passes o feet, but can't actually use it. Carrick and Schweinsteiger need a guy just in front of them who lives to create and 'assist the assist', who will hold the ball, wait for Mata, Rooney, Depay, Young (or even the fullbacks) to make runs, then deliver through balls, and suddenly we're in motion. Suddenly we're in positions to make cut backs and lay-offs.
It doesn't stop Carrick, Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger passing it straight to the forwards, but at least there's a guy there who can create angles and dangerous positions from that advanced position.
A new striker on top of that, and we're laughing.
But none of our forwards are actually creators, or even exceptional dribblers. So they receive tons of accurate passes o feet, but can't actually use it. Carrick and Schweinsteiger need a guy just in front of them who lives to create and 'assist the assist', who will hold the ball, wait for Mata, Rooney, Depay, Young (or even the fullbacks) to make runs, then deliver through balls, and suddenly we're in motion. Suddenly we're in positions to make cut backs and lay-offs.
It doesn't stop Carrick, Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger passing it straight to the forwards, but at least there's a guy there who can create angles and dangerous positions from that advanced position.
A new striker on top of that, and we're laughing.
Chelsea struggled to a 2-2 draw at home to inferior opposition, also relying on an own goal, I wonder if they'd react similar to this place if they nicked a win.
This guy knows what's up. I have my money on LVG using pedro as that player (no 10) if we end up signing him and leaving mata and depay on the wings. I believe pedro is capable of being that kind of player, and we would also benefit from having depay back where he belongs.
Chelsea aren't all that. Personally, I don't expect them to win the league. They should be concerned.
Because we miss Herrera pulling the strings in the center.
Think of Mata's first goal against Pool breaking in behind the defense from the wing. Herrera laid a perfect ball out there for him. Herrera dominates games with a solid DCM behind him allowing him to go forward. With Rooney locking up the two Center Defenders we could score loads of goals from midfield and the wings like that string of games late last year.
We have seen Depay play at the 10 all preseason and today and I think we were better last year with Herrera as well as being weak on the wings. Just my two cents...
I wouldn't write them off yet, this is a Mourinho team.
This place is quite literally the anti-RAWK recently. Every team puts out frequent average performances and Chelsea for that matter had countless games last year where they played dreadfully but managed to scrape a win. When we have an average performance it's the end of the world and every other rival in the league are suddenly considered to be vastly superior and more dangerous. Unless we play the whole season playing beatiful football and winning every game, then people are always going to find a reason to be depressing.
At the same time, a lot of people are prone to knee-jerk reactions. When we do have a very convincing performace, whilst winning and playing attractively, they see it as everything finally coming together and suddenly we are on top of the world. They're very much setting themselves up to be disappointed and hence the very negative reactions when their hopes don't come to fruition.
Pre season is a perfect example. The atmosphere was generally very positive right up until the PSG where thereafter I actually couldn't bear coming on here at some times for all the overreaction.
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All in all I'm just saying that he doesn't have to play in the middle to score more goals.
Going by that table, Liverpool had 80 more shots than us, but they still ended the season with 10 fewer goals scored compared to us...
I think people are getting it wrong; Van Gaal isn't happy with how many chances we're creating, he's not setting out the team to pass it around and only create 2-3 chances per game. That makes me feel more confident that he's not going to settle for shit wins like today.
Yeah, true.
I have no faith in Rooneys finishing if todays anything to go by.
Prolific strikers don't take a touch from the chance we scored from, he really should have put that ball at the back of the net. The second chance when we went for the bicycle kick, when he should have chested the ball down and smashed it in one of the corners.
Rooney really needs to be more prolific infant of the 6 yard box if we are too have a good season this year. Today wasn't good enough
Prolific strikers don't take a touch from the chance we scored from, he really should have put that ball at the back of the net. The second chance when we went for the bicycle kick, when he should have chested the ball down and smashed it in one of the corners.
Rooney really needs to be more prolific infant of the 6 yard box if we are too have a good season this year. Today wasn't good enough
Show some patience, this summer was LVG's first full transfer window where he could really focus on getting a team to his liking together. We've sold 7 players and bought 5, all new signings played today. Did you honestly expect to see world class football immediately? If you did that would explain why your disappointed! If you did you simply don't understand football.
Winning teams are not created over night, Jose Mourinho spent two years building this Chelsea side. Chelsea won their first title in May in 5 years in case you missed it.
When LVG has the squad settled and they are all playing as they should be in their respective roles we will see attacking football, whilst being successful.
On the thread title, were there not 2 shots on target in the first half? Memphis had a rolled shot along the ground, that was easily cleared. And then Mata's free kick that hit the wall.
On target shots have to reach the keeper. Blocked shots don't count.
Are you sure they won't get dropped for trying this if it doesn't come off? Van Gaal does not seem to like turnovers of possession. I actually think his caution is getting into the players and stopping them from taking the kind of risks that we need to.
Slow and methodical, which can be effective at times, didn't think it was the way we should have opened our season at home, thought we would have a slow start building to the CL qualifier but was expecting a bit better than that, think it was a fortunate 3 points.
Errr, no he doesn't. He played as the second striker in front of sneijer, who was always the number 10
It took us actually 70 minutes to get a shot on target not 60.