People wishing for Israeli deaths. Have you missed those too?
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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People wishing for Israeli deaths. Have you missed those too?
You are being way too over-sensitive here. No one here, as far as I can see, is your enemy. Its just a discussion.
You weren't? Or you were and it's not surprising? Make up your mind.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/redcafe-awards-2013.386220/page-13#post-15228846
You've been doing the Israeli cause a disservice on this forum for years.
You're dead wrong. So far, as far as we know, the only think IDF has done in the ground invasion is to destroy tunnels - those which lead from Gaza to Israel underground, those who can get terrorists into our territory, like the one which could have brought the deaths of everyone in a Kibbutz just yesterday had the 13 terrorists not been identified. Those tunnels can also blow up under an IDF unit, it can help Hamas abduct someone to Gaza. Those things must be destroyed, they can't be destroyed just from the air, and what's been done in the last 24 hours is A MUST for the security of the peopel in the area. And while it might not secure the situation for ever, it will be us relief for a few years, at least with the tunnels.
PMs response to William Hague.
I have a question here, how much do these PMs represent the people of the UK stance on this?
I have a question here, how much do these PMs represent the people of the UK stance on this?
I have evidence suggesting otherwise, though people often prefer to stay away from these threads and voice their backing with PMs. Keep the good work, they say, and prefer not to be portrayed as Nazis.
I wasn't aware, but am not surprised that I've been called one. I've seen a mod referring to Israel as Nazis only to apologize in yet another PMs. Others owe a collective apology for keeping their eyes closed when the holocaust is devalued, but there you go. Jews calling Arab beasts get you a warning here, but calling Israelis Nazis, cancer or pigs goes unnoticed. Voting for such a tasteless award says more about the forum than about myself. In fact, considering the potential voters I consider my 2013 efforts as job well done.
I think you joined the thread rather late....
Lol she's a democrat, most of them are hawkish types even if they present themselves as progressive alternatives. Just see Obama's foreign policy as a case in point.
Ironically the least hawkish US politician is a member of the Republican Party.
What I was referring to was the government deliberately holding back information (gunshots heard in the phone call, blood on the car seat) using a gag order, allowing an atmosphere of hope to build up. It's a pretty sadistic trick to play on a population. Unfortunately I cannot find the original Haaretz article about it but here is another with the same theme:
http://972mag.com/how-the-public-was-manipulated-into-believing-the-teens-were-alive/92865/
If the 2nd part is what you believe to be true, then you've played into their hands, right? By being the only ones shooting at the continuous death from the sky, however uselessly, Hamas would have earned the respect of yet another generation of Palestinians, who, with some or the other relative killed or maimed in the bombing, would also be willing recruits...
EDIT:
Re. Obama: Israelis should be thankful he's in power. Interesting little article, a lot of stuff I didn't know...
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-o...el-like-reagan-did-he-d-be-impeached-1.400542
Some of Reagen's stuff was truly shocking (not visiting the Holocaust memorial, visiting a SS shrine- wtf? I wonder if he was a genuine antisemite and couldn't hide it...
Yeah that isolationist Ayn Rand nutter.
I'm not sure what was the purpose of holding information back, but as I said it was pretty obvious that there was little hope for a happy ending with three kidnapped teenagers.
The IAF has a duty to target missile launchers and depots. Our pilots fly over Gaza, and see rockets launched towards their homes in Israel. To them the dilemma is whether to shoot and potentially hit uninvolved civilians or holding fire and putting their own kids back in Israel at risk. I know what any other army would have opted for. What is thrown at Israel here stems from the most blatant hypocricy.
Regardless, when the IAF pounds Gaza the blaming fingers in Gaza are bound to be pointed at Israel. This is wartime, and I wouldn't expect anything else. However, I have no doubt that when this round is over Hamas will find it lost popularity among the Gazans, who largely have no business with anything other than bringing food back home.
He is a puppet who represents our puppet leadership, and if you don't know most of the world are ruled by puppets.
Ayn Rand was actually a staunch Zionist who notoriously branded all Arabs as savages, so I'm sure she'd disagree with her disciple on this one
Puppet or not, he's talking sense. The Palestinians are committing war crimes, and given the newly-formed unity government Abbas is responsible for it all.
I told you this before, the world stopped believing you. The only positive thing about what's happening is the growing number of people who realized the truth.
True, Merkel and Obama could not have been clearer about it. and you wouldn't suspect either to be Netanyahu's biggest fans.
This is illogical in so many ways. How exactly would Hamas earn respect from their local population? They live in a crap hole and are getting bombed day and night only because their leadership is retarded enough to reject all ceasefire proposals but instead keep on firing rockets. If only those rockets would kill some Jews, but they don't even do that! That's how pointless it is. So surely there must be someone intelligent left in that entire place who can put two and two together and by simple, logical reasoning conclude that stopping all hostile activities against Israel (immediately!) would perhaps bring an end to the destruction? Is this not even an option? I mean why not? Unless they are all just nothing but idiots. Only an idiot would give Hamas the 'respect' for their 'achievements' so far. This whole thing is mental, I don't understand why they can't just fcking stop?
And no, having a relative killed should not automatically justify your transfornstion into a revenge freak. It just doesn't have to be that way. There are those things like 'forgiveness' and 'moving on', etc. It can be done. It's been done before. Other nations affected by war have applied it successfully so why is this such an impossibility for the Hamas and the Palestinians?
80% casualties are civilians.
Don't even know what to say..
Has Israel no shame left? They very well know Hamas can't hurt them regardless of their attempts. The rockets from Gaza do no harm to Israel, or barely any harm. Yet they feel the need to carry on being this aggressive full well knowing more civilians are going to die.
Either from the result of Hamas using these people as human shields, or otherwise.. the IDF KNOW civilians are dying and have died.
It isn't like a one off incident that it is the odd civilian death a midst of numerous militants. It is 80%+
Indefensible on the part of Israel and its supporters to carry on waging this war. Israel fully well knows every single attack of its is taking a HUGE chunk of civilians, if not only civilians....
Shame on Israel. Utter shame.
Don't even know what to say..
Has Israel no shame left? They very well know Hamas can't hurt them regardless of their attempts. The rockets from Gaza do no harm to Israel, or barely any harm. Yet they feel the need to carry on being this aggressive full well knowing more civilians are going to die.
Either from the result of Hamas using these people as human shields, or otherwise.. the IDF KNOW civilians are dying and have died.
It isn't like a one off incident that it is the odd civilian death a midst of numerous militants. It is 80%+
Indefensible on the part of Israel and its supporters to carry on waging this war. Israel fully well knows every single attack of its is taking a HUGE chunk of civilians, if not only civilians....
Shame on Israel. Utter shame.
Replace Obama with any other candidate and Netanyahu likewise, the content of what the American president would say would not change one bit.
This article sums up my views on this conflict...
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/591218...-rockets-in-schools-but-israel-doesnt-have-to
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/591218...-rockets-in-schools-but-israel-doesnt-have-to
Yep, John Pilger wrote a good article which brings up that very fact, worth a read if you have the time.
http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-...g-brothers-war-on-palestine-ukraine-and-truth
No, they don't have to respond like that because that's not the reality.
Pot calling the kettle black innit
Take everything he says with a pinch of salt. His opinion is so slanted it's unreal.
The objective observer, neutral to both sides, can see the obvious, but he dismisses it as biased knowledge.
This. I don't know how as a human being, you can support Israel in this situation, neutral or non neutral.
A truly objective observer would probably avoid choosing sides.
I've been lurker here since 2008 so had the opportunity to read most of his content. And from experience I'm more and more inclined to believe and wouldn't put past him being a Shill. No matter how ridiculous this may sound.
Holyland you mean ? I'd imagine his views are middle of the road in Israeli circles.
Yes.
Hear, o Israel, the rockets will do you no harm, ignore the sirens and take your chances.
I wonder what causes some people to act so irrationally...
Forgiveness can only happen if there is some sort of resolution. If one side forgives and the more powerful side remembers, it's not going to be much use forgiving. South African reconciliation was possible only after Mandela won the elections. In your example, it was long after the formation of the new states that any sort of reconciliation has been possible.
Awful post.
It is as much a possibility as you and few others being a shill from the other side.
Well that's not entirely true in terms of percentages. Israel do pay students and others to spread propaganda, it's well documented. It's ugly.
OK then keep up with your conspiracy theories because someone on this site, who is more close to ground reality from Israel point of view doesn't share your views. I am not interested to get involved in it further.
What rocket success rate would have justified an Israeli response? How many have to die here? What would be the numbers if it was your country on the receiving end of these rockets? Real people you know?