Israeli - Palestinian Conflict

bleedred said:
Can I get a link please. Cant seem to find any.
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Several hours after the strikes, the Israeli military in a statement described the deaths as "tragic" and said it was investigating the incident.

"Based on preliminary results the target of this strike was Hamas terrorist operatives," the statement said.

"The reported civilian casualties from this strike are a tragic outcome."

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/139246-on-gaza-beach-a-blast-then-a-second-and-4-children-dead
 
Cereal Killer said:
Several hours after the strikes, the Israeli military in a statement described the deaths as "tragic" and said it was investigating the incident.

"Based on preliminary results the target of this strike was Hamas terrorist operatives," the statement said.

"The reported civilian casualties from this strike are a tragic outcome."

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/139246-on-gaza-beach-a-blast-then-a-second-and-4-children-dead
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Doesn't really seem apologetic to me. Maybe that's the most they can.
 
holyland red said:
No, it won't. The Israeli public wants peace, and Bennett will only be a vocal opposition leader if the Palestinians opt for peace.
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They want peace alright. But wanting peace and allowing a Palestinian state is another thing altogether.
 
What people don't seem to understand is that IDF has responsibility for Palestinian civilians, however minimal it may be and there is no denying it. Whenever civilian deaths happens, they just seem to wash their hands off and blame the Hamas and call collateral damage.
 
bleedred said:
Sorry, I was wrong.Because it has increased from the earlier reports.




http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israelpalestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians

Are you saying that HRW is an biased source now??




You don't seem to show that. When we are talking about kids dying on the beach, you just ignore them as collateral damage and criticise Hamas for
it. Do you think IDF has Zero responsibility for Palestinian civilians??



I understand Civilian damages are unavoidable. But the number of these damages, suggests that the IDF doesn't care about who they kill.

I may be wrong or I am sorry if I missed it. But did IDF or Isreali authorities express their condolences to the kids killed in the beach the other day??
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I don't trust the HRW reports, and they have been criticized for their bias by many. Of course the IDF has responsibility when it shoots, and it acknowledges that.

I don't think it is Israel's business to offer condolences to families who lost their loved ones live on camera. There are many other casualties, and Israel has always expressed its regret at loss of innocent lives. What you seem to ignore here, is that Israel is subjected to constant rocket fire as we discuss gestures here. We're in a war now, and not just watching TV or getting Facebook updates.
 
thegregster said:
The vast majority of Jews entering the region were doing so illegally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper_of_1939

The Arab community were promised that Jewish immigration to the region would be limited for 5 years and the Arabs would have the final say on the numbers after that.

So promises made to the Arabs(by the British not the Jews of course) were broken.
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Nobody, even for historical reasons will like to close something established in another Country and go back to another place just because it is homeland. It is not easy. The period you are talking about coincided with holocaust. So choice for them was, risk dieing and risk getting extinct or go back to homeland and fight for survival.

As far as broken promises, Arab League had promised not to go to war just 2 weeks before they started war in 1948.

I am not saying Israelis are saints here but if one knows what Jews have had to go through for so long throughout their history you should able to understand where they are coming from. Nobody wants to see women and children die but if it is going to be war like scenario, there are going to be civilian casualties, it is inevitable. Only reason there are no similar casualties from other end because Israelis have protected their people well. It is not as if Hamas side have tried to be very saintly here and 'avoid' successfully killing Israeli civilians.
Anyone other than Israelis, and that Country would have been extinct by now and that's why I admire them so much. For them their survival is paramount, not what people sitting in safe net thousands of miles away make of it.
 
holyland red said:
I don't trust the HRW reports, and they have been criticized for their bias by many. Of course the IDF has responsibility when it shoots, and it acknowledges that.

I don't think it is Israel's business to offer condolences to families who lost their loved ones live on camera. There are many other casualties, and Israel has always expressed its regret at loss of innocent lives. What you seem to ignore here, is that Israel is subjected to constant rocket fire as we discuss gestures here. We're in a war now, and not just watching TV or getting Facebook updates.
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And what do you think is the number of civilian deaths?. And what would you use as the source then?
 
bleedred said:
And what do you think is the number of civilian deaths?. And what would you use as the source then?
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I don't know, and I don't jump to conclusions based on Facebook updates. Israel was too quick to accept responsibility to several past events, resulting in both Palestinian and Israeli deaths. I prefer patience. This is not a video game where we need a real-time scoreboard.
 
holyland red said:
I don't know, and I don't jump to conclusions based on Facebook updates. Israel was too quick to accept responsibility to several past events, resulting in both Palestinian and Israeli deaths. I prefer patience. This is not a video game where we need a real-time scoreboard.
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You are in denial. I give you a reputable source and you call it biased and you won't give a source of your own.

Be patient??. Till when?? half of Gaza is wiped out??
 
bleedred said:
You are in denial. I give you a reputable source and you call it biased and you won't give a source of your own.

Be patient??. Till when?? half of Gaza is wiped out??
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I did not ask you to be patient. Go on and use FB as a news source.

If Israel wanted to wipe out Gaza it would have already been gone.
 
moses said:
He might if he had them after you took his house and made him live in a prison? The whole conflict must be the context, it doesn't begin with the Palestinian reaction.
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Well i suppose it depends on when history begins for you. And also, who holds the power. Its not the Palestinians, so firing rockets is only going to lead to one result.
 
Raoul said:
Whoever has the biggest guns.
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Yeah that's pretty much how I see it too. It's a terrible shame. I've been to Israel and the occupied territories recently and it's a beautiful place. I enjoyed my visit and met very nice people on both sides as I was working on both sides of the wall in Jerusalem. I can't fathom the fear currently there as I got out just before Ramadan but I hope some sort of resolution comes soon for both sides. Shalom
 
Stick said:
Yeah that's pretty much how I see it too. It's a terrible shame. I've been to Israel and the occupied territories recently and it's a beautiful place. I enjoyed my visit and met very nice people on both sides as I was working on both sides of the wall in Jerusalem. I can't fathom the fear currently there as I got out just before Ramadan but I hope some sort of resolution comes soon for both sides. Shalom
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Amen to that.
 
Stick said:
Yeah that's pretty much how I see it too. It's a terrible shame. I've been to Israel and the occupied territories recently and it's a beautiful place. I enjoyed my visit and met very nice people on both sides as I was working on both sides of the wall in Jerusalem. I can't fathom the fear currently there as I got out just before Ramadan but I hope some sort of resolution comes soon for both sides. Shalom
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Let's hope so. Nice sentiments.
 
I really wish one of the people who think the rocket fire isn't such a big deal was with me a few minutes ago. In the street, nowhere to go really, while the siren started. Not only that, half a minute later you see a couple of Iron Dome rockets flying through the air, meaning the rockets from Gaza heading for my city could fall in populated areas. All that's left is to hope they aren't headed in my direction and that Iron Dome's 85%-90% success record doesn't fail me.

No, even a pessimistic bastard like me didn't really expect me to be THAT unlucky. But the idea that the way Israel conducts itself in Gaza should have something to do with the fact those rockets haven't hurt many is absurd.
 
Following the shell's path through the house, three pools of blood punctuate where three people died – two of them children.

Salem Antez, 29, approached with a purple plastic bag and opened it, its contents terrible.

"This is my son," he said and nothing else, tears tracking down his face. Mohammad, another family member explained, was two.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-body-dead-son-two-plastic-bag-gaza-shelling
 
There were 303 deaths by traffic accidents last year in Israel.

Even with all the rockets, so far only one Israeli soldier has died. And that was by friendly fire. Israel's own army is more dangerous than Hamas.
 
Dante said:
Even with all the rockets, so far only one Israeli soldier has died. And that was by friendly fire. Israel's own army is more dangerous than Hamas.
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A combination of good defensive capabilities from Israel and the fact Hamas aren't 'coming out to play' in the ground invasion. Again.
 
Dante said:
There were 303 deaths by traffic accidents last year in Israel.

Even with all the rockets, so far only one Israeli soldier has died. And that was by friendly fire. Israel's own army is more dangerous than Hamas.
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We're awfully sorry for not supplying the death toll Hamas and its sympathizers wish for. Israel has to respond as if it does not have Iron Dome at all. It also got a reminder for the horrific potential of the tunnels, which tipped the balance towards the ground invasion.

And Israeli drivers are fecking awful.
 
holyland red said:
We're awfully sorry for not supplying the death toll Hamas and its sympathizers wish for. Israel has to respond as if it does not have Iron Dome at all. It also got a reminder for the horrific potential of the tunnels, which tipped the balance towards the ground invasion.

And Israeli drivers are fecking awful.
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Its not as if Dante, or anyone here, wants is Isreali soldiers to die..
 
Amir said:
A combination of good defensive capabilities from Israel and the fact Hamas aren't 'coming out to play' in the ground invasion. Again.
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Which is what makes the ground offensive so pointless. It's not necessary to for the security of Israel and, even if it was, it won't actually achieve anything positive.

Israel are in the unique position of being able to hold off its enemy at arm's length. As an established, grown-up democracy it could reasonably take the moral high ground and push for peace because it has nothing to lose. Instead it chooses to inflame the region further and ensure another generation of Hamas recruits that could pose a much greater threat in the future.

holyland red said:
We're awfully sorry for not supplying the death toll Hamas and its sympathizers wish for. Israel has to respond as if it does not have Iron Dome at all. It also got a reminder for the horrific potential of the tunnels, which tipped the balance towards the ground invasion.

And Israeli drivers are fecking awful.
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Are you aware that you were voted the CE Forum Nazi Of The Year in the 2013 redcafe polls?
 
Rykker_4united said:
Its not as if Dante, or anyone here, wants is Isreali soldiers to die..
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I'm not a flag waving Israeli, so I must be one of the bad guys.

I do care about the 303 Israelis killed in car accidents last year. HR obviously doesn't because he's an anti-semite.
 
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