One day, something will happen. But for the next few years, nothing more than the old cycle of violence and pointless talks, intended to reach nowhere.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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One day, something will happen. But for the next few years, nothing more than the old cycle of violence and pointless talks, intended to reach nowhere.
What is the state of the left in Israel ? And by the way have you read Gilad Atzmon's "The Wandering Who" ?
In France our "left" (socialists) is becoming even more zionist that the Likoud itself.
In France our "left" (socialists) is becoming even more zionist that the Likoud itself.
Bullshit.
From what I have read so far HR is fully advocating a two-state solution, condemning the Hamas and acknowledging the deficiencies of current Israeli politics.
It should be quite obvious, however, that no sane Israeli - not even Amir, for that matter- would wish for a fully independent Palestinian state run by the Hamas. If anyone does, I'd like to understand why exactly?
Another point to make is that no sane Israeli would ever want to live in a state in which they do not present the majority of the population. Or, in other words, no sane Jew would ever want to live in a state in which they are a minority.
Israel's democracy might not be perfect, but it sure as hell is the only one in the ME.
A democracy that practices ethnic cleaning.
A democracy that still colonizes everyday.
A democracy that is led by an ultra racist group in Likoud, a group that would only be comparable to Neo Nazis in Europe. What a beautiful democracy !
Even Nazi Germany was seen a democracy in 1933.
You've lost the plot, man.
No, I don't know the book.
As for the left, it's small and torn. There has to be a lot of good will and co operation with parties from the center, maybe even backing from the Arab parties and Arab-Israeli (who of course will never be part of the government) for them to form any sort of coalition. As it stands, the central parties are part of the Netanyahu government. There was possibly a chance for the left-center to unite after the elections last year, it was just about strong enough to make a stand, but it was never on. The result was the most right winged govenment Israel has had.
So you've got the left winged parties - well, one of them is, the other has been trying to portray itself as central - sitting in the parliament, trying to make some noise but getting nowhere. Whenever the next elections will be you can bet the central parties losing some power, but their votes will probably be going to new parties calling themselves central and not being any different.
Bodies of Israeli teenagers found, now the IDF are pounding Gaza.
Stuck in a loop.
Stuck in a loop.
How did the Israelis know it was Hamas?
Thanks for the infos and hope for a better future. (You should take a quick look at the book btw)
Gaza is getting bombed as we speak, hard times ahead.
Hamas should clean up the beach, get some Saudi money and build waterparks and five-star hotels. Then get good reviews on tripadvisor.com and you're all set.
This is just a continuous cycle isn't it?
You kill our men so we will bomb your city so then you will bomb our city leading to us killing your men.
Or something like that.
You kill our men so we will bomb your city so then you will bomb our city leading to us killing your men.
Or something like that.
They need control of their borders to do that, which Israel would never allow
'Only democracy in the Middle East'™ again shows us why it's a beacon of hope in a tempestuous region.
Palestinian teenager found dead in suspected revenge attack
Youth seen being bundled into car in east Jerusalem was found dead hours later, Israeli army radio says
Police disperse protesters in Jerusalem calling for revenge attacks against Arabs after the death of three Israeli teenagers. Photograph: Nir Alon/ZUMA Press/Corbis
A Palestinian teenager from annexed east Jerusalem has been kidnapped and killed in a suspected act of revenge for the murder of three Israeli youths, army radio reported.
The radio said the youth was seen being forced into a car in the Arab eastern half of the city.
His body was found several hours later early on Wednesday morning in another part of the city, the radio said, describing it as a "suspected revenge attack."
Three Israeli teenagers were snatched from a road in the southern West Bank on June 12 and their bodies were found on Monday in a murder Israel has blamed on the Islamist Hamas movement.
They were buried on Tuesday after a day of emotionally-charged funerals.
Israel police said they were investigating reports of a kidnapping and confirmed finding a body but refused to say whether the two incidents were connected. They did not give details on the victim's identity.
"In the early hours of Wednesday morning, police received a report of a person being forced into a car in Beit Hanina," police spokeswoman Luba Samri told AFP, referring to a well-heeled east Jerusalem neighbourhood.
"Within an hour, a body was found in Jerusalem that has still not been identified. We are looking to see if there is a connection between the two incidents."
Quoting witnesses, army radio said a black car had stopped next to a youth who was hitchhiking and he was forced inside. The car then took off.
Some time later, the family of the youth, who is understood to be around 16, reported him missing, it said.
Outside the home of the youth in Shuafat, which is very close to Beit Hanina, a large crowd of angry Palestinians were hurling stones at police, who were responding with sound bombs, an AFP correspondent said.
The body was discovered in a forest in Givat Shaul in southwest Jerusalem, the radio said. An AFP correspondent said police had sealed off a large area around the neighbourhood
Revenge attacks are the staple of a responsible democracy.
I'm planning on heading to Israel in the next couple of weeks 
They want it to be Hamas.
This can't be true, right. Because we are told that its only Hamas and Arabs who wants Israel wiped out from the face of the earth.
Israel knows it was Hama's because two known Hamas men disappeared the day of the kidnapping. Regardless, l am surprised that the same level of caution isn't expressed here before attributing blame for the murder of the young Arab boy.
And yes, Israel isn't a democracy because a young boy was murdered. Moreover, Israeli news websites allow hateful racist comments. Unheard of.
And yes, Israel isn't a democracy because a young boy was murdered. Moreover, Israeli news websites allow hateful racist comments. Unheard of.
It's quite obvious that mutters on both sides expect the other to just vanish. It's the level of control these nuttes enjoy that varies between the two sides.
Democracy is when two wolves and one sheep vote what's for dinner.
Same level of caution as who exactly?
Three Jewish teenagers murdered on the way back from school. Two Hamas activists go missing since then. RedCafe verdict: Israel blames Hamas for no reason. We also read on here accusations that the kidnapping never happened.
Arab boy murdered. RedCafe verdict: Israel isn't a democracy.
Has this been confirmed yet?
The comments, no matter how daft and/or emotional, seem like a reaction. Unlike like the position of the Hamas, which is more a sort of general policy.
No.
The comments about democracy are about just a little bit more than just the murder of one Arab boy.
You're completely right. The Palestinians have no grievances or nothing to respond to whatsoever from the Israeli side.
Israel's policy of destroying the houses of the suspects to me is just fecking ridiculous.
To be fair its not just the houses of murder suspects they destroy.
So is the killing of the Palestinian boy terrorism or just a murder?
Do you consider the killing of the three Jewish kids as terrorism?
I have no idea myself. We've got no actual evidence with regard to who actually did it, why they did it, no one has claimed responsibility. I don't even know what terrorism is any more to be honest.
What do you think?
Considering the practice of continuos releasing of hundreds of convicts incl. hard core murderers, what's a few houses, heh
Considering the practice of continuos releasing of hundreds of convicts incl. hard core murderers, what's a few houses, heh
What is this referring to?
The family of Naftali Frenkel has also commented on the death and said "If the Arab youth was murdered because of nationalistic motives then this is a horrible and horrendous act.
"There is no difference between (Arab) blood and (Jewish) blood. Murder is murder. There is no forgiveness or justification for any murder," said Yisahi Frenkel, Naftali's uncle.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4537002,00.html
What do you think though?
I guess any violent act committed by a terrorist group (Hamas) would be classed as an act of terror.
Ultimately, however, it doesn't matter to me what you wanna call it, terror or murder or whatever else. Parents lost their kids for no other reason than being Jewish.