Yeah. After the Al-Doura and Jenin massacre staging a sequel was just a question opf time.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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How fitting that in a week when Arabs execute thousands of other Arabs at point blank range, a couple of Palestinian youth getting a taste of their own medicine is an "attrocity"...
Trained troops should be above such behavior though.
Police forces, rather than troops, should be responsible for dealing with civilians in areas of conflict. Troops can not be trained to reach the professional standards required under such circumstances. Take a tank crew and throw them into a hostile village and they'll eventually either respond brutally or run away from rock throwing youth. Our boys have done both on occasions.
Arabs executing other Arabs does not excuse these actions, and your diversion tactics. At least have the heart and common decency of condemning such brutality from the IDF.
I'm sure that is the case and often it is inevitable. But the criticism is also inevitable due to their official role.
I do not condemn soldiers retaliating for having rocks hurled at them.
Criticism is inevitable, as is hypocricy.
I'd answer that but it will just spiral into another pointless debate.
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As Sultan said, the debate is pointless when it's with someone who has this historic ability to manipulate the truth and justify such evil action.
Beating up stone throwers is pure evil, historically speaking.
hmmm....evil action...I reckon they got what they deserved, no manipulation about it whatsoever.
3-year-old critically injured by stones near Ariel
Vehicle carrying woman, her three daughters, crashes into truck that veered off course due to stones hurled by Palestinians in West Bank road; 3-year-old critically injured; three others moderately wounded
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4356683,00.html
3-year-old critically injured by stones near Ariel
Vehicle carrying woman, her three daughters, crashes into truck that veered off course due to stones hurled by Palestinians in West Bank road; 3-year-old critically injured; three others moderately wounded
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4356683,00.html
Rocks kill. Rock throwing youth should get their arse kicked at the very least.
Ari'el is approximately 20 miles from Tel Aviv.
So is Tel Aviv, isn't it? I think it's become pretty clear for everyone to see that this conflict is not about the recognized borders of the Jewish state of Israel but its actual existence. This makes the distinction between various Israeli cities and towns irrelevant.
You see, you don't want this argument to lead to anywhere. For me there is a difference and it's not irrelevant. Tel Aviv is in Israel which I recognize as a Jewish state and every Palestinian will if you remove your occupation from West Bank & Gaza and allow us to live and build our state. Ariel and the thousands of settlements through out the west bank are full of radical Zionists who every day through rocks and burn land and assault people.
But Israel don't want that, you don't want peace you want every inch of the land. Your ideological delusion of the promise land is blinding you from the truth that we are going no where, we will not jump in the sea and vanish whatever state terror you perform against us.
But Israel don't want that, you don't want peace you want every inch of the land. Your ideological delusion of the promise land is blinding you from the truth that we are going no where, we will not jump in the sea and vanish whatever state terror you perform against us.
Looks like we could have reached a peace deal, pal (no pun intended)...any Israeli PM, and every Israeli I know personally, would have signed a peace deal if Israel was recognized as a Jewish state by the Palestinians. I'm a "radical Zionist", hence I think we deserve to have our own national homeland. I have no interest in Nablus (other than the Dove Tahina) or Ramallah, and biblical promises do'nt really mean much for me.
Having said that, I have to respond to your "throwing people to the sea" comment in light of your earlier accusation that I was manipulating the truth. You may know your leaders' plan to drive the Jews to the sea in 1948, an event on which our sentimentsd are divided (and which pre-dates the "occupation").
I am absolutely thrilled to know that there are (some) Palestinians who recognize the right of the Jewish people to their nation state in Israel. Now it's time to lower the tone and drop the slogans (radical Zionists, occupation, ideological delusion, state terror etc.). No side is going to vanish, despite the obvious existing desire on both sides.
One of the many problems that I see is that both sides are now so entrenched in their views that a settlement becomes more and not less difficult as time goes by. The provocations from both sides are different (and percieved entirely differently by each side) ranging from rock throwing to missile launching on one side (and lots more) on one side and from Israeli military actions (rangng from retaliation for various actions to hitting rock throwers with rocks) and building programs in the disputed/occupied territories. And lots more.
There are fanatics on both sides and fanatics paint more reasonable people into a corner that means they have to take sides and people naturally take sides with the one closest to themselves most of the time. So what is the answer? I mean a real answer that will actually give most people mots of what they want because there is no point in a solution that won't work or last.
There are fanatics on both sides and fanatics paint more reasonable people into a corner that means they have to take sides and people naturally take sides with the one closest to themselves most of the time. So what is the answer? I mean a real answer that will actually give most people mots of what they want because there is no point in a solution that won't work or last.
Let's avoid the Jerusalem issue for a second, but a Judenrein Paslestine and a large Palestinian minority in Israel? What about the "right of return", DS?
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Do you think that is realistic now? I can't see Israel removing all settlements in the West Bank.
It's a deal breaker. Land swap was always the only viable solution, if the will was there.
It is however a solution that does or at least is perceived to be Isreal throwing the Palestinians crumbs while getting 95% of what they want. Of course the perceived power difference is close to the actual power difference so perhaps the Palestinians need to compromise more than Israel? Not for me to say as I don't have to accept any solution.
I'm wondering if the Palestinians (and Israelis) can learn anything from Northern Ireland? The IRA/Sinn Fein didn't get the United Ireland that they fought for but they got quite a lot from the compromise in the end.
You are preaching on language issues while at the same time you call Jewish presence in Jerusalem, Hebron and Gush Etzion occupation? Are you out of your mind?
The "right of return" is just a way to undermine the Jewish majority in what Israel is left with after your planned deportation of Jews from Judea and Samaria. Thanks for the peace initiative.
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I love the region so I want a solution without knowing enough to say how fair that is. In the end everyone needs to compromise I suppose. It also makes me sad that it may not be safe enough to show my son Egypt or Bethlehem or Jerusalem or Massada etc etc
Caps lock rarely help anything or prove your point. The area (and many others) has been occupied and reoccupied and reoccupied numerous times. This isn't irrelevant but it isn't a trump card by default either. Arguing about definitions or terms can also take the place of real negotiation.
Egypt aside, the rest is safe for your son's visit. I'd advise working on the Aussie accent first though. Your popularity has taken a hit around here recently.
Occupation from whom?
The Unionists ended up having no real choice but to share power in the end for various reasons. It was either share power or Direct rule from London with the Irish government having a say.
Israel can avoid letting a Palestinian state be formed indefinitely.
The one similarity is the "demographic threat". The threat of a future Arab majority may see Israel push for a deal.
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Palestinian land occupied by Israel, simple.
You know, and many others know, that there isn't and there never was such a thing as Palestinian land. You can tell from my earlier post that I certainly think that an independent Palestine should be part of a lasting solution for the conflict, but this whole occupation business belongs in the slogan department. Israel seized Judea and Samaria, and regained control of Jerusalem, in a defensive war. Tough luck on the agressors. Still, a solution needs to be reached because the two populations would not coexist peacefully in any one-state scenario.
People always have the right to stay in the country they are native of regardless of what state it becomes. This is a fundamental of international law.
I wasn't the one suggesting people are removed from their homes.
It would be nice if you could first tell which part in the bolded sentence made you give up, and why.
Israeli occupation troops break into Birzeit University last night, part of their recent crazy campaign to violate and destroy.
Funny thing is they violate the university campus just to seize some flags and drums
Funny thing is they violate the university campus just to seize some flags and drums
Even funnier is calling these places universities. Here's a glimpse of the academic activity at:
Al-Quds University (Jerusalem, Israel's capital)
BirZeit University (Ramallah, PA capital, WB)
Al-Najah University (Nablus, WB)
Al-Quds University (Jerusalem, Israel's capital)
BirZeit University (Ramallah, PA capital, WB)
Al-Najah University (Nablus, WB)
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Israeli occupation troops break into Birzeit University last night, part of their recent crazy campaign to violate and destroy.
Funny thing is they violate the university campus just to seize some flags and drums
Considering there were big fat 0 Palestinian universities before the "occupation" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_universities_and_colleges) there is little evidence for violation and destruction of academic life in the WB, for what it's worth.
In the name of the fight againt the manipulation of the truth, perhaps you would like to remind the rest of us what the current campaign of Israel's security forces is all about.
Despite BDS attempts, backed by self-hating Israelis, Israeli universities are not boycotted by "the world".
To be honest, considering the incitement on Palestinian and Arab media outlets I don't expect to see anything other than Nazi salutes and strapped explosives in Palestinian campuses.
Cut the crap and the truth manipulation. You are against "what happened IF it is real" but you post your made-up rage at campus searches. I am also against "what happened", and hope that instead of "flags and drums" the kidnapped schoolboys will be found soon.