Yeah, after all these years of essentially the same thing they know what's coming after rocket/missile attacks.
Maybe they're trying a Twitter offensive?
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Yeah, after all these years of essentially the same thing they know what's coming after rocket/missile attacks.
Maybe they're trying a Twitter offensive?
There aren't many casualties due to the iron dome defence system Israel has invested in. Have a read about it on Wikipedia - it's quite interesting IMO.
Well probably also part of the game Iran is playing in all this. While they want to arm Hamas to forward certain political objectives (internal and external) they also know that there are limits to how much Israel will keep a blind eye to that. Give Hamas better missiles that kill more Israeli's and suddenly Israel might be more willing to strike at Iran. Which at the end of the day Iran does not want at least at this time.
Fair enough.
Out of curiosity what exactly is the policy behind spoilering? Is it for images which are too big or does it apply to all images regardless?
Its somewhat arbitrary. The idea is to keep the discussion on track without too many people resorting to gifs and youtube clips. If that happens the threads get cluttered and spammy and gifs and youtubes need to be spoilered. In the football forums, we're still going with a (more or less) no meme gif approach.
Hamas and Israel agree Gaza ceasefire at Cairo talks
Israel and the Hamas movement which governs Gaza have agreed a ceasefire to end a week of violence in which nearly 160 people have died, Egyptian and Hamas officials say.
It is intended to come into effect at 19:00 GMT (21:00 local time), the officials say. Similar predictions on Tuesday failed to produce a deal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20436699
Israel and the Hamas movement which governs Gaza have agreed a ceasefire to end a week of violence in which nearly 160 people have died, Egyptian and Hamas officials say.
It is intended to come into effect at 19:00 GMT (21:00 local time), the officials say. Similar predictions on Tuesday failed to produce a deal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20436699
Good news for now I suppose, even if I'm skeptical it'll hold.
Whilst the West went round doing feck all aside the usual rhetoric and Arabs provided 'moral' support to Palestine without actually making a difference, Egypt actually bothered engaging both sides and made progress. Well done.
How long this ceasefire lasts remains to be seen.
How long this ceasefire lasts remains to be seen.
tbf The President did call the Egyption PM several times to broker this, while Clinton was in Israel trying to get them to the table.
Whatever..very good news.
Lets hope they use this to go further to actually get something concrete done long term.
Whatever..very good news.
Lets hope they use this to go further to actually get something concrete done long term.
Mark Regev was just on CNN with Wolf Blitzer. He said Hamas is responsible for other rogue groups (Islamic Jihad etc) stopping their rockets as well. Doesn't look like this will last long.
its sucicide for anyone to be letting off rockets on Israel.
BBC had a quote from one of the other groups that if Hamas agreed a ceasefire, all the other groups would adhere to it. I hope they're not stupid enough to flare things up after the carnage of the past week.
Here is a picture of the agreement:
You'd think the person typing that up would be able to align text properly.
"Israel shall stop all hostilities in the Gaza Strip land sea and air, including incursions and targeting of individuals.
"All Palestinian factions shall stop all hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel, including rocket attacks and all attacks along the border.
"Opening the crossings and facilitating the movement of people and transfer of goods and refraining from restricting residents' free movements and targeting residents in border areas. Procedures of implementation shall be dealt with after 24 hours from the start of the ceasefire.
"Other matters as may be requested shall be addressed."
"Implementation mechanism.
"Setting up the zero hour understanding to enter into effect.
"Egypt shall receive assurances from each party that the party commits to what was agreed upon.
"Each party shall commit itself not to perform any acts that would breach this understanding. In case of any observations, Egypt as a sponsor of this understanding, shall be informed to follow up."
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"All Palestinian factions shall stop all hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel, including rocket attacks and all attacks along the border.
"Opening the crossings and facilitating the movement of people and transfer of goods and refraining from restricting residents' free movements and targeting residents in border areas. Procedures of implementation shall be dealt with after 24 hours from the start of the ceasefire.
"Other matters as may be requested shall be addressed."
"Implementation mechanism.
"Setting up the zero hour understanding to enter into effect.
"Egypt shall receive assurances from each party that the party commits to what was agreed upon.
"Each party shall commit itself not to perform any acts that would breach this understanding. In case of any observations, Egypt as a sponsor of this understanding, shall be informed to follow up."
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Wonder if Egypt would have agreed to mediate a ceasefire if Mubarak was still at the helm? Probably would have called called his mate Bibi to congratulate him on a job well done, all while building a 40,000ft kryptonite wall between Egypt and Gaza.
It seems that Obama orchestrated this from behind the scenes and proposed it to Mursi, who went along in order to make it more palatable for Hamas.
can somebody translate this?
Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt seems to not be as dangerous and extremist as it was supposed. Good job from Egypt. Hope that ceasefire wil be respected from both sides.
can somebody translate this?
Its a question addressed to the Islamic Mufti responsible for issuing Fatwas.
It asks - if a rocket is fired at 8:57 and reaches Tel Aviv at 9:01, does it count as a breach of the ceasefire?
Where'd you find this?
There was a funny article in the times today having a go at people who dont pick sides in this. Not sure what the point of it was.
MB and Mursi need US cash for putting some pita bread on the table for 80 million people on a daily basis. It appears that screaming at Mubarak was far easier.
My Muslim mate kept saying to me he didnt think the Muslim Brotherhood was dangerous. I have no idea whether this has been true or not though, so I'd be glad to have some info
Always going to happen.
Also don't get the whole casualties/score thing. What point are you trying to make with these numbers?
Why Hamas is continuing firing rockets? Could be that all members of it haven't taken the orders of ceasefire yet, or are they really so stupid?
AS much as I would like to have faith in their good nature, I believe the latter applies.
Hamas are playing a dangerous game at the moment. If the Palestians want peace, all they have to do is vote out this lot so that they can live in peace. When they keep on trying to provoke Israel, they are putting their own people at risk.
Pretty much sums it up.
can somebody translate this?
Following on from RK's post.
An indiscriminate rocket fired at civilians at any time is an illegal act in Islamic jurisprudence.
I'm willing to give the Palestenian the benefit of the doubt regarding rockets fired in the last couple of hours. There are so many different groups that it's probably takes some time to reach everyone. But the test will come soon, in a day or two, and the important thing is long term. I see no reason for optimism. Hamas isn't suddenly becoming Israel-friendly and its targets remain the same.
Even if Palestinians want it, I doubt that Hamas will let it happen.
Because israel hasn't opened the crossings into gaza which it had agreed to do as part of the ceasefire.
Doing so would put many lives at risk so I can't really blame them for not wanting to.
Then they shouldn't have agreed to open it in the first place.
Compromise is a part of any kind of peace process...
what kind of logic is this?
Yes compromises are necessary but you shouldn't agree to something that you never intend to comply with. It's a fundamental breach of the agreement and makes it void.
Have Israel not opened their borders as part of this cease fire?
I actually don't know, and I suspect there are multiple different accounts of everything that happened in the last few weeks.
I was arguing the logic of your point defending Israel in a hypothetical situation where they agreed to something as part of the peace agreement then didn't bother to comply with it because it was something they negotiated away, not the substance of anything that's actually been agreed.
Given how succesful Fatah have been thats bollocks
I'm sure it says somewhere that as long as these are aimed at the sons of the pigs and apes then it's OK.
