You may want to know that UN peacekeeping forces in Lebanon were prevented access to villages, got stoned or got blown to pieces when they tried to make sure resolution 1701 was implemented.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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You may want to know that UN peacekeeping forces in Lebanon were prevented access to villages, got stoned or got blown to pieces when they tried to make sure resolution 1701 was implemented.
Because peace settlements with the Palestinians don't bring peace?
So you have nothing to back your statement with.
Why would you want to trade land for peace? You have no need to compromise - you have the upper hand and you are negotiating from a position of control. You are being facetious towing the two state solution. It has the veneer of being fair - where the Israelis and Palestinians have each get a state but why would that create peace?
The Red Indians got a tough deal and I suspect the Palestinians will do so also. The victors write history as so well put by McNamara in the Fog of War.
You may find it hard to believe, but most Israelis want to live in peace and would accept a territorial compromise that would make sure it happened. However, the level of trust is such that any move towards a peaceful solution is not on the cards.
Ceasefire to begin later tonight.
Well, this was a big waste of time and all that (not for everyone who died, was injured, etc, of course).
Well, this was a big waste of time and all that (not for everyone who died, was injured, etc, of course).
The question being can any lasting settlement be reached in this situation at this time. There are factions on both sides both within the Israel and the territories and without that might not want to see any sort of lasting peace. Sad really.
Everyone would like peace - but I don't see how the equation involves a territorial compromise. The Palestinians are not getting stronger - this is a war of attrition for them - their will and power to continue will inevitable wane and sap their desire to continue.
You have relative peace - that maybe better than an unknown future of promised peace.
International community should guarantee Palestinian defence with a massive drive to build infrastructure and economy. In return Palestinians accept a peace treaty along the lines of 1967 borders and having absolutely no access to arms to guarantee Israel security.
Sounds easy!
Sounds easy!
Sounds brilliant. Unfortunately it won't happen.
I've noticed from this thread that those posters physically closest to the conflict seem the most calm and level headed about it.
Ceasefire agreed. The cynic in me suggests that this will be a particularly short lived one but I hope, I really do hope. I suspect, post-ceasefire, all it will take is one dick with a homemade bottle rocket and Netanyahu will give the green light to unleash fiery hell upon the strip 
Let's be happy with the news, for the time being, though. An uneasy, tense truce is better than no truce at all.
Let's be happy with the news, for the time being, though. An uneasy, tense truce is better than no truce at all.
Ceasefire agreed. The cynic in me suggests that this will be a particularly short lived one but I hope, I really do hope. I suspect, post-ceasefire, all it will take is one dick with a homemade bottle rocket and Netanyahu will give the green light to unleash fiery hell upon the strip
Naa, it won't happen. Oh, the rockets will return shortly, but it's going to take a few years again until Israel does anything serious about it. My sympathies to the the citizens of the south in Israel, probably left abandoned once again.
Really? You honestly believe this cease fire will hold. You think, with the polls saying and with the news that Tel Aviv can be hit that this cease fire will last longer than a week? I wish I shared your optimism.
who is going to pay?
What happens to the 500k Jewish settlers in the West Bank.
This idea sounds good but that's it.
What like Fearless?
I don't think he is living in the region, is he?
It would probably cost a great deal less than being spent on defence/aid going to both countries at present.
No. Like I said, I believe Hamas will be firing again shortly, and Israel won't respond. Not seriously, anyway. It's been like that for four years.
I don't think Hamas will challenge Israel on the Tel Aviv issue and after the ceasefire they won't fire towards it again. But who knows, people get used to stuff. In 2003, after the first rocket landed in the City of Ashkelon, the prime minister insisted Ashkelon would not become a 'front line'. Well, it did, and for many years now. So did Ashdod, Be'er Sheva.... Hard to see Tel Aviv joining the statistics. Way too populated, and way too central to life in Israel.
Fair enough, I hope you're right (about Israel not responding, not about rocket fire into Israel, I hope the ceasefire is observed on both sides). It's a little disingenuous to say that Israel hasn't responded for 4 years, though. We both know Israeli forces incur into the strip from time to time and that air raids haven't exactly been non existent since Cast Lead.
News of the 1st IDF fatality
BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking
Israeli Defence Forces soldier hit by rocket from Gaza strip dies of his injuries, Israeli military says
BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking
Israeli Defence Forces soldier hit by rocket from Gaza strip dies of his injuries, Israeli military says
Hamas are even more idiots than I thought. Why do they expect Israel to do now?
I think this incident is old - there were 2-3 soldiers injured around 24 hours ago, this one succumbed to injuries.
What? No! You can't cut the water and electricity supply to 1.7m Gazans and let them die. Are you mental?
If there was an election in Palestine today, would Hamas win?
Who else would run? Hamas don't take kindly to opposition.
Don't be such a liberal tosser, Mike. Genocide is the way to sort this situation. It's crying out for it, if I'm honest.
Probably blow up another house with 10 civilians inside.
It's a war, unfortunately there will be fatalities on both sides.
I know that there's a war. But Hamas has literally 0% chance of winning it, and against Israel you cannot play the victim card. The only losers would be Arabs (and a few Israeli civilians/soldiers).
Doesn't it? Little flexibility here and there and this thing should be sorted. I can't deny we have our fair share of loons, but unfortunately they're actually running the show on the other side.
The big sticking point is Palestinians refugees giving up any claim to return to Israel.
Gaza is under attack by the Sea, Land, and air. F16s, Artillery, and warships, all bombing nonstop.
Ceasefire agreed. The cynic in me suggests that this will be a particularly short lived one but I hope, I really do hope. I suspect, post-ceasefire, all it will take is one dick with a homemade bottle rocket and Netanyahu will give the green light to unleash fiery hell upon the strip
Let's be happy with the news, for the time being, though. An uneasy, tense truce is better than no truce at all.
When does a "homemade bottle rocket" turns into an incident for which you won't put the blame on Israel's retaliation? Two of those? A Grad, A Fajr 5? perhaps only the next import from Iran? Can't you see that you're already blaming Israel for the next Palestinian provocation?
No shit
There has been speculation here too, but nothing has been confirmed yet. Violence has escalated here in the last couple of hours though, which is typical of the last few hours prior to a ceasefire. Playground stuff where each kid wants to hand the final slap.
Must watch
Hamas has now officially killed more of its own people than Israelis.
"You assassinated the man who was negotiating for peace" "well, thats how it goes.." lovely.
also did you see how he rolled his eyes at the statement "at some point we have to stop children from dying"?
Did he learn this one from Suarez?