My country (UK) don't steal land to house the immigrants, and hand them guns to act as buffers for the rest of population.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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Don't Arab Israelis have significantly more rights than Apartheid era Blacks?
On paper.
Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are de facto, if not necessarily de jure, under the control of Israel. That alone is enough for Israel's condemnation as an Apartheid-like state.
The state of Israel are in fact worse than South Africa during their apartheid era. Their treatment of Palestinians is worse. The successive governments who the people of Israel have voted in can rightly be described as thieves, racists, and biggest terrorists functioning as a state in the world today.
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"According to many critics, the new wording would weaken the wording of Israel’s declaration of independence, which states that the new state would “be based on the principles of liberty, justice and freedom expressed by the prophets of Israel [and] affirm complete social and political equality for all its citizens, regardless of religion, race or gender".
HR posted that yesterday how brilliant his country was towards everyone.How would you resolve the situation in a way that is acceptable to both sides ?
Hasn't changed his position much over the years has he...
Arabs fare better is Israel compared not only with neighbouring Arab states, but also compared with Arabs and other minorities in the West. Apartheid states are those that boycott Israel, while at the same time denying their Palestinian residents basic human rights.
Most African nations have nothing to do with Arab lunacy. Arab "nations"? What are they? The last I heard they were tribes busy killing each other. Not sure Europe and the US would be interested in following their example. They'll be too busy making sure Arab terrorism isn't exported to their shores.
Apartheid exists in Arab states around us, where Palestinians are deprived of basic human rights. For all the complexity of the WB situation (aand astonishingly that in the GS too) Arabs there fare much better compared with pre-1967 Arab occupation.
Are you aware that a couple other farmers crossed the fence with a grenade? Palestinian farming is quite dangerous.
The goal is for an independent state in the West Bank and Gaza with East Jerusalem as it's capital along 1967 borders. Realising their full national and human rights to dignity and independence.
Palestinians are not Israeli citizens. They are still better off in the WB than in neighbouring states.
If Arabs are racists is that any justification for Israel to be same?
"According to many critics, the new wording would weaken the wording of Israel’s declaration of independence, which states that the new state would “be based on the principles of liberty, justice and freedom expressed by the prophets of Israel [and] affirm complete social and political equality for all its citizens, regardless of religion, race or gender".
"According to many critics" "The Guardian"...I admire the concern for our declarartion of independence, which states that Israel is a Jewish states. I'm sure that the "many critics" are concerned about that too.
If that is even true should we compare ourselves to those countries who are not treating their citizens unjustly?
But there isn't apartheid in Israel. Israeli Arabs enjoy civil rights unheard off anywhere near Israel.
Go ahead and close ranks with your fellow believers from Sudan, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon and in a chorus of apartheid, international law and human rights. You're doing really well together.
If you don't know the facts you should go and educate yourself instead of chanting slogans here.
Israel to be a truly Jewish state it should be based on the principles of the Torah, and not Zionism.
Again you're comparing your democratic country with your neighbours who are mostly dictators.
You're ignorant, and your ignorance coupled with your religious beliefs makes this discussion all but impossible. The principles of the Torah, just like those of your primitive religious texts, are racist, outdated and dangerous. Zionism addresses the need for a secular nation state for the Jewish nation, while acknowledging its historic and cultural background.
The more religious nutters are kept away from this conflict, the better. Unfortunately, what is happening at the moment is the exact opposite.
Isn't that a valid comparison in terms of highlighting the quality of life for Israeli Arabs v Arabs who live in the region ?
Sign of losing a debate
Green smilies laughing at your own posts are. "If that is even true should we...blah, blah, blah"...Go and find out if that is true, and perhaps you could come up with a more educated argument.
Is it democratic? I thought Israel was an apartheid state. Have you been drinking Sultan? God will strike your arse with a lightning.
HR
"Israel still applies more than 50 laws that privilege Jews over Arabs. For example, the 1950 Law of Return grants automatic citizenship rights to Jews from anywhere in the world upon request, while denying that same right to Palestinians.
The Basic Law of Human Dignity and Freedom ensures that Israel is the state of the "Jewish people," not its citizens. This law was passed in 1992 to serve as a "bill of rights," as Israel does not have a written constitution. Israel's flag and other national symbols are Jewish religious symbols, not neutral or national ones that represent all the citizens of the state.
Government resources, meanwhile, are disproportionately directed to Jews and not to Arabs, one factor in causing the Palestinians of Israel to suffer the lowest living standards in Israeli society by all economic indicators. Human Rights Watch has compiled an extensive study of Israel's policy of "separate, not equal" schools for Palestinian children, finding that "Government-run Arab schools are a world apart from government-run Jewish schools. In virtually every respect, Palestinian Arab children get an education inferior to that of Jewish children, and their relatively poor performance in school reflects this." (report)
As many as 45 Palestinian villages in Israel, many of which pre-date the founding of the state, are not recognized by the Israeli government, and are not listed on maps and receive no services (water, electricity, sanitation, roads, etc.) from the government. More than 75,000 Palestinians live in these unrecognized villages. Meanwhile, hundreds of new Jewish communities have been established on lands confiscated from Palestinians."
No.
"Israel still applies more than 50 laws that privilege Jews over Arabs. For example, the 1950 Law of Return grants automatic citizenship rights to Jews from anywhere in the world upon request, while denying that same right to Palestinians.
The Basic Law of Human Dignity and Freedom ensures that Israel is the state of the "Jewish people," not its citizens. This law was passed in 1992 to serve as a "bill of rights," as Israel does not have a written constitution. Israel's flag and other national symbols are Jewish religious symbols, not neutral or national ones that represent all the citizens of the state.
Government resources, meanwhile, are disproportionately directed to Jews and not to Arabs, one factor in causing the Palestinians of Israel to suffer the lowest living standards in Israeli society by all economic indicators. Human Rights Watch has compiled an extensive study of Israel's policy of "separate, not equal" schools for Palestinian children, finding that "Government-run Arab schools are a world apart from government-run Jewish schools. In virtually every respect, Palestinian Arab children get an education inferior to that of Jewish children, and their relatively poor performance in school reflects this." (report)
As many as 45 Palestinian villages in Israel, many of which pre-date the founding of the state, are not recognized by the Israeli government, and are not listed on maps and receive no services (water, electricity, sanitation, roads, etc.) from the government. More than 75,000 Palestinians live in these unrecognized villages. Meanwhile, hundreds of new Jewish communities have been established on lands confiscated from Palestinians."
Criticise the post not the poster. More signs you're losing the plot.
You call it democratic. I believe it's worse than apartheid.
Israel is a refuge to Jews worldwide, just in case someone toys with the idea of slaughtering Jews again. That's the one basic right thaty separates Jewish majority form minorities in Israel. Privileges favouring the national majority are not unheard of in other countries, but here it's a clear indication for "apartheid".
Any idea why Christian Arabs fare better not only compared with Muslims, but also with Israeli Jews in many indices including life expectancy and education. Any idea why? Is Israeli apartheid aimed at Muslims only?
Any idea why Christian Arabs fare better not only compared with Muslims, but also with Israeli Jews in many indices including life expectancy and education. Any idea why? Is Israeli apartheid aimed at Muslims only?
Nothing personal HR.
My co-religionists are no angels and I'll call them out just as much I would do Israel.
My co-religionists are no angels and I'll call them out just as much I would do Israel.
Your post is stinks of ignorance.
Arabs are racist though, Im not one to act as an apologist for Israel but Arabs are more racist to their own than the Israelis are to the Palestinians.
I don't care what you call them, and to be frank I am a bit fed up with your quarrels. Nevertheless, when you join a discussion here with your boring slogans I'll make an effort to correct you. I will never convince you, but others may learn some interesting facts that don't often make the news.
Very likely to be the case. Hatred is indoctrinated in both the Israelis' and Palestinians. I can understand to a certain extent how history has dealt both the Jews and Palestinians.
Hear, hear... and Sultan reckons that boycotting Israel for its human rights record is justified, boycotting by those racist Arab countries. And then he wishes for the West to be like them. Sorry, not Sultan but Sultan's posts.
Carry on believing what you say are facts. Doesn't actually make them so...