Well...? All Palestinians are.innocents? There were three leading Hamas figures in that building. Don't know who the others were.
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Well...? All Palestinians are.innocents? There were three leading Hamas figures in that building. Don't know who the others were.
no they aren't all innocent but it seems like forever Israel has been targeting Hamas agents and hitting children. Its refreshing to hear they actually killed someone who was 'a bad guy'
Not sure how Israel are supposed to verify the bodies of all those they kill. For all you know, they could be hitting many militants but Hamas simply don't disclose the information for propaganda purposes.
and vice versa.
These are people whose identities Hamas could not hide. The reason you get the impression all the other casualties are "innocent" is a combination of Hamas propaganda and lazy journalism.
Were those kids on the beach Hamas operatives?
I believe they were not. Your point?
So Hamas is like over 1000 strong including women and children? Fair play
There are no innocent Palestinians as far as you are concerned
Not true. Where did you see that in what I had written?
Read the bolded bit
Look, this has been done here for quite a while, and other than Mozza we've all got a bit bored with it. Hamas started firing rockets from populated areas in Gaza on Israeli cities and towns. Israel retaliated, targeting fire sources. Plenty of civilian casualties among the Palestinians. Hamas rejected ceasefires, and violated those it did agree to. Shit scenario, but no deliberate targeting of civilians.
So all casualties which weren't arch-terrorists on whom there was accurate intelligence are "innocents" because of the four kids?
Not because of 4 kids. They aee innocent unless you can prove otherwise
OK, Mozza. Do you suggest bringing the corpses to court?
Its for you to prove they were guilty, until then they are are innocent
You're wasting your time with logic with some of the people on this forum. I have learned that the hard way. I just put them on ignore now.
Not really. This offers a refuge from the Di Maria thread.
But we're going to sign him
Aren't we?
Inshallah
What are you trying to say? If the Palestinians or whoever kill Israeli children then it's a barbaric murder and terrorism, but if the Israeli forces to kill 4 innocent children then it's alright?
I'm sure there are legal experts on here who could walk you through this, Rams.
Innocent or not?
Hamas executes 18 for 'collaboration' with Israel
Hamas killed seven Palestinians suspected of collaborating with Israel in a public execution, after 11 others executed by gunmen at an abandoned police station earlier Friday; deaths linked to Israeli attacks on top officials.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4561996,00.html
Hamas executes 18 for 'collaboration' with Israel
Hamas killed seven Palestinians suspected of collaborating with Israel in a public execution, after 11 others executed by gunmen at an abandoned police station earlier Friday; deaths linked to Israeli attacks on top officials.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4561996,00.html
were the people they executed innocent?
Just civilians and the leaders killed were civilians as well.
Hamas are a lovely lot aren't they. Summarily executing their own people "suspected" of being collaborators, then dragging bodies through the streets of Gaza. What a bunch of lowlife savages.
Says it all, really. They don't care about the people of Gaza. They care about themselves. They were scared some people were collaborating with Israel, putting the leaders at risk, so they just kill a few, when it's highly unlikely all of them, even most of them, helped Israel.
A four year old was killed today in Israel from a mortar bomb. This isn't getting prettier.
This sort of thing also suggests they are in serious internal turmoil. Squeezed for funding, weapons, a calamitously half-thought out rocket campaign that has yielded them nothing politically, more destruction in Gaza, a couple of thousand dead Palestinians, little or no support from Egypt, as well as several members of the leadership killed. A well thought out plan indeed.
It's not just internal but also external, with powers such as Qatar also affecting the leadership. When some of those leaders don't even live in Gaza but have nice comfortable lives in fancy houses n Qatar, it's easy for them to tell the groups in Gaza to continue the fighting.
You keep banging on about their leadership being abroad but they are in exile, kicked from their own land by Israel, you're the reason they don't live in their homeland
Doesn't stop the other leaders from living in Gaza...
The four year old who was killed tonight.
Doesn't stop the other leaders from living in Gaza...
The four year old who was killed tonight.
Some do, others are exiled when released from prison
I could post 500 like that
First it was Al-Arouri and now it is Khaled Mashal.
Mashal: Hamas was behind murder of three Israeli teens
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4562328,00.html
What a bunch of lying bastards.
Three Israeli Arabs wounded by Gaza mortar attack
Attack on Erez Crossing took place as group of Palestinians was entering Israel from Gaza to receive medical care; over 30 Gaza rockets and mortars slam into Israel, one rocket fell near Tel Aviv, after violent day sees Israel attacked in north from Syria and Lebanon.
Three Israeli Arabs were wounded by a mortar shell fired at the Erez Crossing as Palestinians from Gaza were entering Israel for medical care. The attack came after Israel was hit with over 20 rockets Sunday morning and after Saturday night saw at least five rockets fired from Syria and Lebanon at the northern Golan Heights and the Western Galilee, hitting an empty house.
In the early afternoon a mortar wounded three Israeli Arabs who work as taxi drivers tasked with taking a group of Gazans from the crossing into Israel for medical care. Roughly an hour later, the IAF hit the site from where the mortar was launched. In the meantime, Hamas has taken responsiblity for the attack, saying it fired 15 mortars at the crossing.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4562669,00.html
Siege...
Attack on Erez Crossing took place as group of Palestinians was entering Israel from Gaza to receive medical care; over 30 Gaza rockets and mortars slam into Israel, one rocket fell near Tel Aviv, after violent day sees Israel attacked in north from Syria and Lebanon.
Three Israeli Arabs were wounded by a mortar shell fired at the Erez Crossing as Palestinians from Gaza were entering Israel for medical care. The attack came after Israel was hit with over 20 rockets Sunday morning and after Saturday night saw at least five rockets fired from Syria and Lebanon at the northern Golan Heights and the Western Galilee, hitting an empty house.
In the early afternoon a mortar wounded three Israeli Arabs who work as taxi drivers tasked with taking a group of Gazans from the crossing into Israel for medical care. Roughly an hour later, the IAF hit the site from where the mortar was launched. In the meantime, Hamas has taken responsiblity for the attack, saying it fired 15 mortars at the crossing.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4562669,00.html
Siege...
So what's the deal with this alleged Hamas training manual that was discovered ?
In my opinion, better than the Di Maria transfer (which is very important).
Israel seizes 400 hectares of West Bank land
US official describes as "counterproductive" Israeli announcement to appropriate land, said to be largest in 30 years.
The United States has urged Israel to reverse its decision to seize nearly 400 hectares of land in the occupied West Bank, a move anti-settlement activists termed the largest land grab in 30 years.
Israel announced the massive land appropriation on Sunday in the Etzion settlement bloc near Bethlehem just days after Gaza ceasefire.
A Palestinian official said the latest land grab by Israel would cause only more friction after the Gaza war that left more than 2,000 Palestinians dead and over 10,000 injured.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, called on Israel to cancel the appropriation. "This decision will lead to more instability. This will only inflame the situation after the war in Gaza," presidential spokesman Abu Rdainah said.
A US State Department official called the announcement as "counterproductive to Israel's stated goal of a negotiated two-state solution with the Palestinians".
"We urge the government of Israel to reverse this decision," the official said in Washington.
Peace Now group, which opposes Israeli settlement activities in the West Bank, territory the Palestinians seek for a state, said the appropriation was meant to turn a site where 10 families now live adjacent to a Jewish seminary into a permanent settlement.
International criticism
Construction of a major settlement at the location, known as "Gevaot", has been mooted by Israel since 2000. Last year, the government invited bids for the building of 1,000 housing units at the site.
Peace Now said the land seizure was the largest announced by Israel in the West Bank since the 1980s and that anyone with ownership claims had 45 days to appeal. A local Palestinian mayor said Palestinians owned the tracts and harvested olive trees on them.
Israel has come under international criticism over its settlement activities, which most countries regard as illegal under international law and a major obstacle to the creation of a viable Palestinian state in any future peace deal.
Israel has said construction at Gevaot would not constitute the establishment of a new settlement because the site is officially designated a neighbourhood of an existing one, Alon Shvut, several kilometres down the road.
About 500,000 Israelis live among 2.4 million Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, territory that Israel captured in the 1967 Middle East war.
US official describes as "counterproductive" Israeli announcement to appropriate land, said to be largest in 30 years.
The United States has urged Israel to reverse its decision to seize nearly 400 hectares of land in the occupied West Bank, a move anti-settlement activists termed the largest land grab in 30 years.
Israel announced the massive land appropriation on Sunday in the Etzion settlement bloc near Bethlehem just days after Gaza ceasefire.
A Palestinian official said the latest land grab by Israel would cause only more friction after the Gaza war that left more than 2,000 Palestinians dead and over 10,000 injured.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, called on Israel to cancel the appropriation. "This decision will lead to more instability. This will only inflame the situation after the war in Gaza," presidential spokesman Abu Rdainah said.
A US State Department official called the announcement as "counterproductive to Israel's stated goal of a negotiated two-state solution with the Palestinians".
"We urge the government of Israel to reverse this decision," the official said in Washington.
Peace Now group, which opposes Israeli settlement activities in the West Bank, territory the Palestinians seek for a state, said the appropriation was meant to turn a site where 10 families now live adjacent to a Jewish seminary into a permanent settlement.
International criticism
Construction of a major settlement at the location, known as "Gevaot", has been mooted by Israel since 2000. Last year, the government invited bids for the building of 1,000 housing units at the site.
Peace Now said the land seizure was the largest announced by Israel in the West Bank since the 1980s and that anyone with ownership claims had 45 days to appeal. A local Palestinian mayor said Palestinians owned the tracts and harvested olive trees on them.
Israel has come under international criticism over its settlement activities, which most countries regard as illegal under international law and a major obstacle to the creation of a viable Palestinian state in any future peace deal.
Israel has said construction at Gevaot would not constitute the establishment of a new settlement because the site is officially designated a neighbourhood of an existing one, Alon Shvut, several kilometres down the road.
About 500,000 Israelis live among 2.4 million Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, territory that Israel captured in the 1967 Middle East war.