Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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So you don't disagree with my assessment of it?
Gaza has shrunk hugely since then...there's even a map on Wiki I think that shows you how much Arab land is now annexed illegally by the Israeli's.
it's not "Jewish Land", they have no more right to it than the Arab's do, the Arab's under international law are supposed to have a lot more of it than they do...
Why isn't the Hamas bombing targets in Egypt?
So what? Don't respond to the point with a ridiculous reply and then ask so what.
Its not particularly fancy, its the simplest of bar charts.
The Arab expulsions of their Jewish populations is, imo, one of the lowest points of each of those countries' histories. The Jewish expulsion of Palestinians likewise ranks so in Jewish history. Again, just imo of course.
Considering I don't get a hard on from military statistics, I won't be getting involved in that particular boogie but please go ahead and knock yourself out on that particular one.
On the contrary, the only existing enforceable document actually encourages Jewish settlement. This document was created on April 24, 1920 at the San Remo Conference when the Principal Allied Powers agreed to assign the Mandate for the territory of Palestine to Great Britain. By doing so the League of Nations "recognized the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine" and established "grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country." Article 6 of the Mandate "encouraged … close settlement by Jews on the land," including the lands of Judea, Samaria and Gaza (Yesha).
Even if we were to take this as the single binding document on the whole matter (which anyone with even a semblance of common sense would agree is ridiculous), you seem to conveniently forget a few passages. Principally this one:
"it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. "
How did that work out and how does that fit in with your tunnel minded views on settlements?
That was stitched up by the Balfour agreement and other betrayals of the Arabs. If you followed Wilson's principles of self-determination then there is no justification for a Jewish state since there were few Jews in Palestine during the 19th century and up to 1914, and probably for hundreds of years before.
We've been through all this before though, and it just goes around in circles. The challenge is to build a fairer solution on the present realpolitik which Israel doesn't seem willing to do.
Don't speak to me like that. I studied Herzl about a month ago in social studies in college.
Can you do anything but argue pedantics?
There's a protest outside the Israeli embassy in Dublin tomorrow at 5:30.
I think this apology is sufficient.
Clearly, it is Hamas who continually kills civilians without facing international sanctions or reprimand and it is Hamas who gets away with countless murders and crimes because their ally in the west tells the entire world to turn a blind eye to their evil deeds.
Yes, Hamas is the only one to blame for every death in this conflict. It's never Israel's fault or responsibility.
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Israeli elections around the corner, right? Hmmm. Israel and Hamas not happy that Syria seems to be hogging all the limelight?
If the Palestinians dropped their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If Israel dropped its weapons today, there would be no more Israel. That's my opinion anyway.
I wonder/hope that some of the neighbouring Arab states wake up and stand up for Palestine.
Wishful thinking I know
Wishful thinking I know
Three dead in Kiryat Malachi in Israel this morning. If anyone gives a damn and all.
You didn't express the same desire for Arab unity in standing up for Syrian civilians, did you?
Limelight? What limelight? How many civilians were killed in Syria yesterday? Can anyone tell? I'm sure our "Anti-Zionist" Irish can shed some light when he's back from demonstrating outside the Syrian embassy.
apartment complex got hit right?
No, that's one of those soundbites used as hasbara to great effect in the Western world and which completely ignores the historical context of the situation and the West Bank.
This is just.....baffling.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbuchanan/how-to-wage-war-on-the-internet
To me, there also doesn't seem to be much understanding that such operations don't appear to have much effect. Operation Cast lead 4 years ago, hundreds of civilian deaths included, was supposed to stop exactly this. Instead, they just foster even more hatred in Gaza towards Israel.
Strange name for the operation too.
Yes. Iron Dome has been doing a wonderful job, but some missiles will always filter through. In this case, we ran out of luck too.
Here's hoping peanut allergy doesn't soar too because there only so much this nation can take.
Let's hope for no more missile hits on apartmet complexes.
Just saw a tweet saying, the IDF have put out a statement saying they'll hit ~100 sites that they've deemed to be a threat to Israeli security.
I've actually not being paying attention - it's been quiet the past few months hasn't it? Or have the odd missiles been landing, but because there's been no death, the press haven't really covered it?
I've actually not being paying attention - it's been quiet the past few months hasn't it? Or have the odd missiles been landing, but because there's been no death, the press haven't really covered it?
Dozens of rockets have landed in Israel over the past few weeks, an explosive tunnel exploded on the Gaza border, an Israeli officer had his arm chopped off by explosives when patrolling the border and earlier this week an IDF border patrol was hit by a Kornet anti-tank missile.
As for the military target hit over the last 18 hours- the first to get hit were the Fajr-5 missiles, a relatively recent import from Iran that are capable of hitting Tel Aviv and beyond. These found their way to Gaza despite the crippling, inhumane blockade preventing food from Gazans.
As for the military target hit over the last 18 hours- the first to get hit were the Fajr-5 missiles, a relatively recent import from Iran that are capable of hitting Tel Aviv and beyond. These found their way to Gaza despite the crippling, inhumane blockade preventing food from Gazans.
While you're at it, excuse the Israeli leadership for making a more concentrated effort than just hoping.
If they sincerely cared about their folks they wouldn't persist in their occupation and endless warcrimes, cultivating hate and vengenace amongst the Palestinians. Raining hellfire on the Gazans isn't going to rectify the problem either, you'd think the IDF would have learnt from the last bloodbath.
Betrayals??? Under the League of Nations Mandate present day Jordan is part of Palestine. 77% of Palestine was given to the Hashemites from Mecca for their support of Britain in WW I. When Churchill agreed to give the East Bank to the Arabs, the intention was that the West Bank of the Jordan would be for the Jewish homeland. [see Sir Martin Gilbert, Churchill and the Jews] The so-called West Bank is the heartland of Biblical Israel. That fellow Arabs - who started each and every war - have kept their brethren 65 years in refugee camps, while Jews have accepted and assimilated 800,000 Jews pushed out of Arab states, shows two ways of dealing with the same situation. The size of Israel is about half of one percent of the Arab world, yet they want Israel to accept millions of Arabs whose grandparents once lived there
That is the stupidest argument I've read in ages!
It not an argument, stupid.
This isn't raining hellfire, or a bloodbath. This is how a murderer responsible for raining hellfire on Israeli civilians is taken down with minimal damage to innocents.
Let's not resort to slogans here even though we're not going to agree here, and there is no point in repeating what we said in the last round. This is probably going to look pretty similar. Ranges will change, the number of victims will (although it will probably still be greater on the Arab side) and the same individuals will back the same sides regardless of the facts.
Why is it that pro-Israel views always tally so neatly with right wing mentalists? I mean, just look at this thread. Madness.
It's a strange atmosphere here in the West Bank at the moment. Anger, but a quiet, pensive anger. Gaza is, of course, all anyone is talking about. There's been no move to do anything, even the peaceful protests have been exceptionally small and badly attended, everyone's just glued to the TV screens and monitors.
There was some settler violence on the road home from Ramallah yesterday, it had mostly cleared up by the time I drove through but there were a few scuffles going on between some young Palestinian lads and a tonne of IDF at one of the checkpoints. I remember thinking there was more of them than they normally send for those kinds of things, wondered why and then got home to read what had happened in Gaza. The next few days will be interesting.
There was some settler violence on the road home from Ramallah yesterday, it had mostly cleared up by the time I drove through but there were a few scuffles going on between some young Palestinian lads and a tonne of IDF at one of the checkpoints. I remember thinking there was more of them than they normally send for those kinds of things, wondered why and then got home to read what had happened in Gaza. The next few days will be interesting.
It seems to swing the other way too.
They always are to outside observers, who pick a side in the conflict. At the same time the locals feel the situation is rather depressing.
Maybe the locals should stop endorsing the murder of civilians then.
Jaabari did just that yesterday.