No no no, it was how he lied about his waist size. He REALLY wears a 36" waist NOT a 32". And having to deal with that is veeeeeery tough.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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No no no, it was how he lied about his waist size. He REALLY wears a 36" waist NOT a 32". And having to deal with that is veeeeeery tough.
Well, this takes funny to another level...
Microphones pick up Sarkozy and Obama's Netanyahu gaffe | World news | The Guardian
Yes!
The truth comes out and it's a gaffe - strange world we live in!
Ad on SF buses...yup, savages.
hehe, this has been posted on here ages ago. I wouldn't think they'd still be on.
They are....and legally they are fine. This new series of ads only started up a week ago.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/transportation/2012/08/savage-ads-muni-stir-debate
More and more reports of children being murdered by the Israeli authorities.
There's a blood shortage in Gaza now and people are dying because of it.
There's a blood shortage in Gaza now and people are dying because of it.
Condemnation should follow any minute now from the Americans.
Actually, people are dying because the people leading them don't give a rats ass about them.
We can argue pedantics, but it comes down to one issue, where we will not agree on whatsoever.
The fact that Israel are a foreign invader on Palestinian soil.
Speaking in my official capacity as an American I hereby condemn bad things that happen.
Just have a look at all the videos, 3 or 4 toddlers have been murdered by an oppressive regime today
Nobody hates the Israeli people, but there Government are a disgrace, and should be punished.
Nobody hates the Israeli people, but there Government are a disgrace, and should be punished.
I notice this thread wasn't bumped after rockets were fired into civilian areas in southern Israel.
Israel has a right to defend itself.
Israel has a right to defend itself.
They're not defending themselves, they're a foreign occupation in a land they have no right to be in. They als don't have a right to murder innocent children.
No amount of Propeganda, no amount of ''talking until it seems right'' and no amount of bringing up Palestinian faults will hide the fact that Israel are in the wrong.
No amount of Propeganda, no amount of ''talking until it seems right'' and no amount of bringing up Palestinian faults will hide the fact that Israel are in the wrong.
latest count from gaza: so far 7 dead and at least 55 injured, among them 10 children.
Do you think they have no right to be in any part of the land?
Go on then, talk to me.
Instead of just trying to condescend me.
Instead of just trying to condescend me.
I'm an anti Zionist, and don't just try to condescend me as if I've no idea what I'm talking about, I'm by no means an expert, but I'm far from ignorant on the subject, and plan to travel to the al-Bireh next Summer.
Firstly, it seems that once again Israel's reaction is probably disproportionate.
But then again, this is not simply a case of big bad Israel launching an unprovoked attack on Gaza. I say it's disproportionate because I don't think that the recent military/terrorist (take your pick of which term to use) activity in Gaza merits military action by Israel that results civilian deaths, but at the same time it's understandable that Israel will look to defend herself when rockets are being fired at Israeli towns. Yes, Israel has questions to answer about today's airstrikes and the resulting civilian casualties, but Hamas must be condemned too. The only way that the authorities in Gaza can secure their people from these attacks is by ceasing all military activity. They have no need for any military infrastructure and taking up arms and supporting groups - official or not - who use these arms to attack Israel is obviously counter productive...and utterly stupid. If Palestinians in Gaza want peace they must fully commit to a peaceful solution. That means putting an end to all military activity against Israel when unprovoked, and avoiding ridiculous threats such as 'Israel has opened up the gates of Hell' in response to Israeli military action.
But then again, this is not simply a case of big bad Israel launching an unprovoked attack on Gaza. I say it's disproportionate because I don't think that the recent military/terrorist (take your pick of which term to use) activity in Gaza merits military action by Israel that results civilian deaths, but at the same time it's understandable that Israel will look to defend herself when rockets are being fired at Israeli towns. Yes, Israel has questions to answer about today's airstrikes and the resulting civilian casualties, but Hamas must be condemned too. The only way that the authorities in Gaza can secure their people from these attacks is by ceasing all military activity. They have no need for any military infrastructure and taking up arms and supporting groups - official or not - who use these arms to attack Israel is obviously counter productive...and utterly stupid. If Palestinians in Gaza want peace they must fully commit to a peaceful solution. That means putting an end to all military activity against Israel when unprovoked, and avoiding ridiculous threats such as 'Israel has opened up the gates of Hell' in response to Israeli military action.
The ones who had a right in that land worshiped Baal and Astarte, everyone who came afterwards was just an invader.
Stupidity I can live with, ignorance is another matter.
By denouncing Israel as some kind of foreign occupier you fly in the face of Islamic, Judaic, political and historic evidence.
Oh, one more thing - you're not anti-Zionist because you haven't a clue what Zionism is.
Israel brought the rocket attacks on themselves, they occupied the Palestinians land by force, they don't allow them enough food or basic amenities and they frequently bomb and assassinate people in Gaza, Hamas whether you like their tactics or not are legally and democratically elected government of the people in Gaza, their election comes as a direct result of the continued occupation and aggression by Israel, if Israel had at any point wanted to move toward peace and a viable Palestinian state then Hamas would never have gotten any popularity yet alone in government, but Israel continuously refused to do so backed up by it's American overseers.
I have no sympathy for a government and military as depraved as Israel's, more Israelis die each year from peanut allergies than from rocket attacks as well.
Hamas do more for peace ironically than Israel has ever done, yet all we ever hear in the Western media is the Israeli side of the story, which is a bunch of outrageous lies and pathetic justifications for their actions, Israel is in violation of well over 50 UN resolutions, making it the biggest terrorist state in the world, they only get away with any of it because they are the USA's Middle East client state...
don't believe me? read up on the conflict, there is a superb book by Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappe (Gaza in Crisis), it covers all this and more around the background to the Zionism and the conflict.
no-one should be in any doubt that the aggressor here is the Israeli government, the IDF and their Western allies (the USA in particular, but the UK has blood on it's hands too here of course)
Free Palestine!
I have no sympathy for a government and military as depraved as Israel's, more Israelis die each year from peanut allergies than from rocket attacks as well.
Hamas do more for peace ironically than Israel has ever done, yet all we ever hear in the Western media is the Israeli side of the story, which is a bunch of outrageous lies and pathetic justifications for their actions, Israel is in violation of well over 50 UN resolutions, making it the biggest terrorist state in the world, they only get away with any of it because they are the USA's Middle East client state...
don't believe me? read up on the conflict, there is a superb book by Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pappe (Gaza in Crisis), it covers all this and more around the background to the Zionism and the conflict.
no-one should be in any doubt that the aggressor here is the Israeli government, the IDF and their Western allies (the USA in particular, but the UK has blood on it's hands too here of course)
Free Palestine!
Indeed.
This is a bit of a silly statement.
Whether you're a zionist, anti-zionist or simply don't really care, you cannot deny that the make up of that piece of land was very different 60/70 years ago and that to create an area where Jews were the majority within that land required some, to put it lightly, unsavoury policies to be enforced. It certainly did not come about due to normal organic growth such as birth rate etc.
Israel Defense minister Ehud Barak: "We are still at the beginning of the event, not at the end. We expect some complicated tests ahead."
I don't support modern day Zionism and I think that it ought to be a redundant ideology in the modern age, and I oppose many of the measures taken by Israel with regards to Palestinians/Arabs within Israel and Palestinians and Palestinian territory in Gaza and the West Bank.....so I probably agree with you on many of your views. Israel does act in defiance of international law and its use of force is often (horrendously) disproportionate. But your one sided assessment fails to address the issue of the institutionalised anti-Israeli aggression and attachment to indiscriminate violence by the Hamas government in Gaza. Are you seriously justifying attacks on Israeli civilians in the name of politics? Do you really think that that is the way forward?
Surely you can't believe your last paragraph? I have no doubt that Israel is of course partly at blame for the situation. However, laying the blame solely on a single doorstep is firstly naive and secondly not conducive to any possible peace process.
I don't know justifying is quite the right word, but I think if you look at the situation on the ground there, you have to ask yourself, what would you do? I mean, for the Palestinians, they have nothing (literally) and they have the Israeli's at the doorstep taking their land and causing so much of their hardship, so they are angry, and because they have never not known conflict they act on that anger, is it right? no, probably not, is it understandable in the circumstances? I would say yes, it is, Hamas itself generally has a policy of only firing rockets themselves in retaliation to Israeli incursions anyway, a lot of the rocket attacks are civilian militia groups who are acting out and see their actions as retaliation for the occupation and stuff anyway, would I rather they weren't firing rockets at Israel? sure, but I would rather Israel wasn't occupying their territory and everything else they are doing to provoke those rockets even more...
Modern Americans have no right to the land of the native americans either.
This is a bit of a silly statement.
Whether you're a zionist, anti-zionist or simply don't really care, you cannot deny that the make up of that piece of land was very different 60/70 years ago and that to create an area where Jews were the majority within that land required some, to put it lightly, unsavoury policies to be enforced. It certainly did not come about due to normal organic growth such as birth rate etc.
Yes you are right.There are MORE Arabs living in Israel now than in any other time in history.
nothing the Israeli government has ever done has been "conducive to peace", quite the opposite in fact, like I said if you actually look into things, Hamas only came to power after several insulting attempts at "peace" from the Israeli's that essentially ignored all or most of the Palestinians most basic demands and would have left them with a state that would be utterly un-viable. do I like what Hamas is doing? not always no, do I think it's understandable given the facts on the ground? yes.
when Israel actually seriously wants to talk about peace and make real efforts toward it then Hamas or whoever else is in power will likely be open to it, so far Israel has not done so and has infact done the opposite.
What is the cutoff point for how long ago an invasion had to be before the group has a right to it?
Depends which side you're on I guess.
Pretty much what Traub said
The reality is just that Israils are not going to just feck off and any expectation of anything like that is pure fantasy.
60 years isnt really a huge historical time window is it? Not sure what population has to do with it either, their population rates have naturally gone up hence the more Arabs. I think the more alarming thing is the vast amount of sovereign Palestinian land thats being eaten into as we speak.
What the F are you talking about. Israel isn't in the Gaza Strip which, as you clearly don't (want to) know, it won off Egypt's invading armies.
I'll tell you this much for free - any pull out of the West Bank (again Jewish land) is truly off the menu.
You can thank Hamas for that.
Did you read what I wrote? That is barely even a response to what I said.
I was clearly talking about a proportion.
In the years before 48, there was a far higher percentage of Arabs than there were in 48 and there were now.
Of course there are more Arabs in Israel now than there were at any point in history. This is however a ridiculous statistic because there are far more Arabs (and far more people in general) than there have been any at any other time in history.
Year Jews Arabs Total % of Jews to Total
1914 60,000 731,000 791,000 7.585%
1922 83,790 668,258 752,048 11.141%
1931 174,606 858,708 1,033,314 16.897%
1941 474,102 1,111,398 1,585,500 29.902%
1950 1,203,000 1,172,100 2,375,100 50.650%
1960 1,911,300 1,340,100 3,251,400 58.783%
1970 * 2,582,000 1,045,000 3,627,000 71.188%
1980 3,282,700 2,100,000 5,382,700 60.986%
1995 4,495,100 3,506,900 8,002,000 56.173%
2005 5,275,700 5,139,100 10,414,800 50.656%
Yes, the West Bank is internationally-recognised Palestinian land, something the Zionist settlers backed by their IDF bodyguards don't seem to grasp because 'God said otherwise'.
Can you read? That is barely even a response to what I said.
I was clearly talking about a proportion.
In the years before 48, there was a far higher percentage of Arabs than there were in 48 and there were now.
So what?
How about a fancy chart showing the Jewish populations in Arab lands????
An then another chart showing the proportion of Arab troops to Israeli ones???
Lets boogie.